New to stangs

ttsrq · February 17th, 2007, 01:12 AM

So I want to get a mustang 1986-1993 I love the Fox body style on them I guess it would come on some of the GT's and the cobras, im currently driving a modded Eagle Talon and wanted to make the jump over... I love LOVE the lumpy idle and the throaty sound of the exhaust.. So I guess I have a few questions and stuff like that im looking to make about 400ish or about there HP... and was wondering on what I needed for mods...so far I have exhaust, headers,cams,intake where would that get my HP wise? I really want to supercharge it but was not sure on what kit I needed to get I dont want to fork out alot of money on a supercharger kit when I only need a $2000 kit... I want a kit that will get me to that range of HP but still going as cheap as possible on the kit.. what else would I need in the HP range do I have to start looking at forged internals or can the stock internals handle that power reliably? What about the clutch and drive train do I need a new clutch or fly wheel or can it handle the power with out slipping? What else do you all recommend looking into and how much HP would I gain out of headers,exhaust,intake and cams and what would that GENERALLY put me into in the 1/4th mile? and how much would around 400hp put me into the 1/4the 1/4mile thanks alot for the help!!!!

Stangzilla · February 17th, 2007, 01:33 AM

As far as what you need for the hp you are lookin 4 I dont feel like typing that much right now plus I dont know anything about superchargers but with a mustang hp is secondary to having the right suspension to hook up on the street and at the track. Have all the hp you want but if you cant hook up it's useless. I have smoked guys on the street with Mustangs and other cars that have 500+ hp and nothin else. I have almost 420rwhp all motor in a 2850lb notchback with a full front and rear drag suspension... Mustangs are not AWD so you have to take extra time in getting the power to the ground. To much I hear "oh I have 600+ hp to the wheels and I blow by them cuz at 60 mph they are fighting to control their car while my car just tweakes and lunges past them...

ttsrq · February 17th, 2007, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Stangzilla

As far as what you need for the hp you are lookin 4 I dont feel like typing that much right now plus I dont know anything about superchargers but with a mustang hp is secondary to having the right suspension to hook up on the street and at the track. Have all the hp you want but if you cant hook up it's useless. I have smoked guys on the street with Mustangs and other cars that have 500+ hp and nothin else. I have almost 420rwhp all motor in a 2850lb notchback with a full front and rear drag suspension... Mustangs are not AWD so you have to take extra time in getting the power to the ground. To much I hear "oh I have 600+ hp to the wheels and I blow by them cuz at 60 mph they are fighting to control their car while my car just tweakes and lunges past them...

What mods do you have done to your Mustang 400hp would be good for me if I can get that without using the SC then that would be great so what mods do you have?

Stangzilla · February 17th, 2007, 02:02 AM

Let me give you the combo I have and then some on my 1993 LX NotchBack it has a CHP 347 Street Fighter crate motor with a stud girdle windage tray AFR 185 heads CHP Spyder intake 42lb injectors MSD Billet dist. Nology Hot wires High flow Billit fuel rails Russell braided lines and fittings, Aeromotive fuel regulator. Anderson ford inline fuel pump+ 255lph intank BBK 80mm TB Anderson Ford 4 inch PowerPipe 75mm Pro-M mass air meter BBK long tube headers Anderson Ford Motorsport Programmable Management System UGEO 2000Wide band o2 6AL MSD box MSD Blaster coil High flow water pump Ford SVT aluminum radiator , electric fan Tremac 3550 trans with a Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, Ford Racing Aluminum driveshaft PowerTrax locker with 31 spline axles 5-lug front and rear of course Dugan Racing upper & lower rear control arms. Eibach Drag -Launch springs with airbag in rear in front I have a AJE cro-moly K-member with control arms with a coil-over kit that rides on fully adjustable Strange front stuts & rear shocks and MAC sub-frame connectors. I just bought a Competition Engineering 8pt. roll cage.I also have an Optima trunk mounted battery. I think I must of missed a few things but...oh well...

ttsrq · February 17th, 2007, 02:18 AM

Holy shit... haha so a very long list of mods... I really didnt want to get into crate motors I wanted to keep the 302 in ther I think thats what they came with and then just build that up it would be to hard for me to get my hands on a crate motor and shipping to Canada would be a bitch, what could I do to the stock motor to get it up in the 400ish range?

Stangzilla · February 17th, 2007, 02:21 AM

Power adder!!!! Supercharger, Turbo, either way its gonna cost ya several thousand dollars....

ttsrq · February 17th, 2007, 08:50 PM

Any way to hit the around $400 hp mark with out a crate motor or forced induction?

Stangzilla · February 17th, 2007, 08:56 PM

Not unless you install a 200 shot of nitrous. Dont expect your motor to last... You dont have to get a crate motor but you will need to rebuild it with a 331 or a 347 stroker kit... Or you could attach 200 actual horses to the front of your car...

Stangzilla · February 17th, 2007, 08:56 PM

Lets see you dont want to stroke your motor you dont want to install a power adder.. how in the hell do you think you r gonna get 400 hp!!!

ttsrq · February 17th, 2007, 11:21 PM

I never said that I didnt want to get a stroker kit, I just said I didnt want a crate motor... I might go with FI im not too too sure though if I did it would probally be a cheap SC with like a Novi 1000 system or something like that

Stangzilla · February 17th, 2007, 11:32 PM

I dont think that will get you to the 400hp mark. You get what you pay 4!!

8A_Honda · February 19th, 2007, 02:27 AM

I'm currently parting out my modded to hell and back Talon to get a Mustang ($450 away from owning it) and gonna slap on my T-67 turbo that was on my Talon. Keeping some of the mods from my Talon to make the project a lil easier on my wallet. Some of the things like gauges, wideband, turbo (duh), would keep the intercooler but it's too big, and some other things.

If I were you, I'd go turbo. Depending on your mods, you could possibly already have some of the mods you need to save you some money. 255lph pump will swap over, intercooler if it's not too large, turbo if it's not a really tiny one, muffler if it's a good free flowing exhaust or possibly just go open pipe with no muffler, bov will swap over, etc. Looks like your best bet to me and if you know much about turbo'd cars, it wouldn't be too much different.

JBIGBOOTSY · February 19th, 2007, 03:30 AM

Damn bro, a t-67 on a 4 cyl? thats alot of aluminum to spin. on a sbf ford that turbo should be good for about 550hp. A stock 5.0 bottom, some good heads and a small nitrous kit would get you past 400 pretty easy, shouldent cost more than 2500 bucks. stangzilla is right about car setup, I've seen guys run in the high 12s with under 260rwhp. Ive also seen guys with 500hp run 13s, like gt500s.

8A_Honda · February 19th, 2007, 09:20 AM

Yeah, I don't know what this guy has as far as mods on his Talon but mine was a 2.3 liter stroker that I was revving a lil past 8k rpm with a lot of good mods. Built motor, big cams, built tranny, etc. etc. My s/n is V8s_are_slow on most forums, but now that I'm getting pulled to the dark side, I've had to change it and on one forum, I just changed it to V8s_aren't_slow

But yeah, I agree and think traction can be the biggest factor on his times. I know I loved AWD.

JBIGBOOTSY · February 19th, 2007, 09:49 AM

with a a v-8 youll have alot more headroom for hp, and better launches than most of the ff cars and some of the awd cars. From my trips to the track I've seen a few imports run, and there 60' are allways a bit slow for thetr ETs. like 2.00-2.2 60' on a high 11 sec pass. Off topic, I remember my first honda experience. It was 1994, having my first mustang and a shiny new drivers license, and Me and some buddies were at a Denny's hanging out drinking coffee. This dude is in there talking about his civic and how fast it was. So we go over and bullshit with him and he says it's a bla, bla, 12sec car, having never have never heard of a 4 cyl. race car, I agree to a little race ,just for fun. I know I had a 13.80 car and was pretty this guy was an idiot or just a little crazy. wel ine up, take off, and he kills me. To top it off, back then when nobody around has heard of a modded import, every one just kept telling me I coulden't drive. that sucked

ttsrq · February 19th, 2007, 01:46 PM

I wouldnt want to swap any of the mods over from my talon id wanna start new the only thing that I would swap would be over my tranny and everything like that... Umm so how much HP would I get about out of some Crane cams, intake, 2.5" exhaust?

B.A.M302 · February 19th, 2007, 02:01 PM

I read in a book that if you take the same crank that 400m engine has (in like older lincolns) you can make your 5.0 a stroker with minor engine bores.

jasperstang308 · February 19th, 2007, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Stangzilla

Let me give you the combo I have and then some on my 1993 LX NotchBack it has a CHP 347 Street Fighter crate motor with a stud girdle windage tray AFR 185 heads CHP Spyder intake 42lb injectors MSD Billet dist. Nology Hot wires High flow Billit fuel rails Russell braided lines and fittings, Aeromotive fuel regulator. Anderson ford inline fuel pump+ 255lph intank BBK 80mm TB Anderson Ford 4 inch PowerPipe 75mm Pro-M mass air meter BBK long tube headers Anderson Ford Motorsport Programmable Management System UGEO 2000Wide band o2 6AL MSD box MSD Blaster coil High flow water pump Ford SVT aluminum radiator , electric fan Tremac 3550 trans with a Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, Ford Racing Aluminum driveshaft PowerTrax locker with 31 spline axles 5-lug front and rear of course Dugan Racing upper & lower rear control arms. Eibach Drag -Launch springs with airbag in rear in front I have a AJE cro-moly K-member with control arms with a coil-over kit that rides on fully adjustable Strange front stuts & rear shocks and MAC sub-frame connectors. I just bought a Competition Engineering 8pt. roll cage.I also have an Optima trunk mounted battery. I think I must of missed a few things but...oh well...

why do u have those? did i miss the FI? for that combo u would probably make more power with 24lbs injectors and a 65mm tb.

TurboLX · February 19th, 2007, 04:17 PM

that kinda power is gonna cost some dough

Stangzilla · February 19th, 2007, 08:02 PM

Cuz I have a wet shot of No2 and in a couple of years when I get tired of my N\A motor I will be building a turbo motor.. With the PMS I have I can taylor my injectors to run right with my combo.. I set up my motor like that purposely...

February 17th, 2007, 01:12 AM	#1
ttsrq Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11 iTrader: 0 reviews	New to stangs So I want to get a mustang 1986-1993 I love the Fox body style on them I guess it would come on some of the GT's and the cobras, im currently driving a modded Eagle Talon and wanted to make the jump over... I love LOVE the lumpy idle and the throaty sound of the exhaust.. So I guess I have a few questions and stuff like that im looking to make about 400ish or about there HP... and was wondering on what I needed for mods...so far I have exhaust, headers,cams,intake where would that get my HP wise? I really want to supercharge it but was not sure on what kit I needed to get I dont want to fork out alot of money on a supercharger kit when I only need a $2000 kit... I want a kit that will get me to that range of HP but still going as cheap as possible on the kit.. what else would I need in the HP range do I have to start looking at forged internals or can the stock internals handle that power reliably? What about the clutch and drive train do I need a new clutch or fly wheel or can it handle the power with out slipping? What else do you all recommend looking into and how much HP would I gain out of headers,exhaust,intake and cams and what would that GENERALLY put me into in the 1/4th mile? and how much would around 400hp put me into the 1/4the 1/4mile thanks alot for the help!!!!

February 17th, 2007, 01:33 AM	#2
Stangzilla MM Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On my way to Baines's house!! Posts: 3,298 iTrader: 0 reviews	As far as what you need for the hp you are lookin 4 I dont feel like typing that much right now plus I dont know anything about superchargers but with a mustang hp is secondary to having the right suspension to hook up on the street and at the track. Have all the hp you want but if you cant hook up it's useless. I have smoked guys on the street with Mustangs and other cars that have 500+ hp and nothin else. I have almost 420rwhp all motor in a 2850lb notchback with a full front and rear drag suspension... Mustangs are not AWD so you have to take extra time in getting the power to the ground. To much I hear "oh I have 600+ hp to the wheels and I blow by them cuz at 60 mph they are fighting to control their car while my car just tweakes and lunges past them... __________________ Rotating The Earth 1320 Feet At A Time!! Today, I found out that when I masturbate at night while watching internet porn I cast a huge shadow on the curtain and the entire street is able to see it.

February 17th, 2007, 02:02 AM	#4
Stangzilla MM Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On my way to Baines's house!! Posts: 3,298 iTrader: 0 reviews	Let me give you the combo I have and then some on my 1993 LX NotchBack it has a CHP 347 Street Fighter crate motor with a stud girdle windage tray AFR 185 heads CHP Spyder intake 42lb injectors MSD Billet dist. Nology Hot wires High flow Billit fuel rails Russell braided lines and fittings, Aeromotive fuel regulator. Anderson ford inline fuel pump+ 255lph intank BBK 80mm TB Anderson Ford 4 inch PowerPipe 75mm Pro-M mass air meter BBK long tube headers Anderson Ford Motorsport Programmable Management System UGEO 2000Wide band o2 6AL MSD box MSD Blaster coil High flow water pump Ford SVT aluminum radiator , electric fan Tremac 3550 trans with a Steeda Tri-Ax shifter, Ford Racing Aluminum driveshaft PowerTrax locker with 31 spline axles 5-lug front and rear of course Dugan Racing upper & lower rear control arms. Eibach Drag -Launch springs with airbag in rear in front I have a AJE cro-moly K-member with control arms with a coil-over kit that rides on fully adjustable Strange front stuts & rear shocks and MAC sub-frame connectors. I just bought a Competition Engineering 8pt. roll cage.I also have an Optima trunk mounted battery. I think I must of missed a few things but...oh well... __________________ Rotating The Earth 1320 Feet At A Time!! Today, I found out that when I masturbate at night while watching internet porn I cast a huge shadow on the curtain and the entire street is able to see it.

February 17th, 2007, 02:21 AM	#6
Stangzilla MM Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On my way to Baines's house!! Posts: 3,298 iTrader: 0 reviews	Power adder!!!! Supercharger, Turbo, either way its gonna cost ya several thousand dollars.... __________________ Rotating The Earth 1320 Feet At A Time!! Today, I found out that when I masturbate at night while watching internet porn I cast a huge shadow on the curtain and the entire street is able to see it.

February 17th, 2007, 08:56 PM	#8
Stangzilla MM Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On my way to Baines's house!! Posts: 3,298 iTrader: 0 reviews	Not unless you install a 200 shot of nitrous. Dont expect your motor to last... You dont have to get a crate motor but you will need to rebuild it with a 331 or a 347 stroker kit... Or you could attach 200 actual horses to the front of your car... __________________ Rotating The Earth 1320 Feet At A Time!! Today, I found out that when I masturbate at night while watching internet porn I cast a huge shadow on the curtain and the entire street is able to see it.

February 17th, 2007, 02:18 AM	#5
ttsrq Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11 iTrader: 0 reviews	Holy shit... haha so a very long list of mods... I really didnt want to get into crate motors I wanted to keep the 302 in ther I think thats what they came with and then just build that up it would be to hard for me to get my hands on a crate motor and shipping to Canada would be a bitch, what could I do to the stock motor to get it up in the 400ish range?

February 17th, 2007, 08:50 PM	#7
ttsrq Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11 iTrader: 0 reviews	Any way to hit the around $400 hp mark with out a crate motor or forced induction?

February 17th, 2007, 11:21 PM	#10
ttsrq Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11 iTrader: 0 reviews	I never said that I didnt want to get a stroker kit, I just said I didnt want a crate motor... I might go with FI im not too too sure though if I did it would probally be a cheap SC with like a Novi 1000 system or something like that

February 17th, 2007, 11:32 PM	#11
Stangzilla MM Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On my way to Baines's house!! Posts: 3,298 iTrader: 0 reviews	I dont think that will get you to the 400hp mark. You get what you pay 4!! __________________ Rotating The Earth 1320 Feet At A Time!! Today, I found out that when I masturbate at night while watching internet porn I cast a huge shadow on the curtain and the entire street is able to see it.

February 19th, 2007, 02:27 AM	#12
8A_Honda Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 313 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'm currently parting out my modded to hell and back Talon to get a Mustang ($450 away from owning it) and gonna slap on my T-67 turbo that was on my Talon. Keeping some of the mods from my Talon to make the project a lil easier on my wallet. Some of the things like gauges, wideband, turbo (duh), would keep the intercooler but it's too big, and some other things. If I were you, I'd go turbo. Depending on your mods, you could possibly already have some of the mods you need to save you some money. 255lph pump will swap over, intercooler if it's not too large, turbo if it's not a really tiny one, muffler if it's a good free flowing exhaust or possibly just go open pipe with no muffler, bov will swap over, etc. Looks like your best bet to me and if you know much about turbo'd cars, it wouldn't be too much different.

February 19th, 2007, 03:30 AM	#13
JBIGBOOTSY MM Fanatic 1990 LX hatch Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hobart Indiana Posts: 4,392 iTrader: 0 reviews	Damn bro, a t-67 on a 4 cyl? thats alot of aluminum to spin. on a sbf ford that turbo should be good for about 550hp. A stock 5.0 bottom, some good heads and a small nitrous kit would get you past 400 pretty easy, shouldent cost more than 2500 bucks. stangzilla is right about car setup, I've seen guys run in the high 12s with under 260rwhp. Ive also seen guys with 500hp run 13s, like gt500s. __________________ Bolt-on Abraham Lincoln Log motor. With extra wiring.

February 19th, 2007, 09:20 AM	#14
8A_Honda Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 313 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yeah, I don't know what this guy has as far as mods on his Talon but mine was a 2.3 liter stroker that I was revving a lil past 8k rpm with a lot of good mods. Built motor, big cams, built tranny, etc. etc. My s/n is V8s_are_slow on most forums, but now that I'm getting pulled to the dark side, I've had to change it and on one forum, I just changed it to V8s_aren't_slow But yeah, I agree and think traction can be the biggest factor on his times. I know I loved AWD.

February 19th, 2007, 09:49 AM	#15
JBIGBOOTSY MM Fanatic 1990 LX hatch Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hobart Indiana Posts: 4,392 iTrader: 0 reviews	with a a v-8 youll have alot more headroom for hp, and better launches than most of the ff cars and some of the awd cars. From my trips to the track I've seen a few imports run, and there 60' are allways a bit slow for thetr ETs. like 2.00-2.2 60' on a high 11 sec pass. Off topic, I remember my first honda experience. It was 1994, having my first mustang and a shiny new drivers license, and Me and some buddies were at a Denny's hanging out drinking coffee. This dude is in there talking about his civic and how fast it was. So we go over and bullshit with him and he says it's a bla, bla, 12sec car, having never have never heard of a 4 cyl. race car, I agree to a little race ,just for fun. I know I had a 13.80 car and was pretty this guy was an idiot or just a little crazy. wel ine up, take off, and he kills me. To top it off, back then when nobody around has heard of a modded import, every one just kept telling me I coulden't drive. that sucked __________________ Bolt-on Abraham Lincoln Log motor. With extra wiring.

February 19th, 2007, 01:46 PM	#16
ttsrq Newbie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11 iTrader: 0 reviews	I wouldnt want to swap any of the mods over from my talon id wanna start new the only thing that I would swap would be over my tranny and everything like that... Umm so how much HP would I get about out of some Crane cams, intake, 2.5" exhaust?

February 19th, 2007, 02:01 PM	#17
B.A.M302 Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: maryland Posts: 89 iTrader: 0 reviews	I read in a book that if you take the same crank that 400m engine has (in like older lincolns) you can make your 5.0 a stroker with minor engine bores. __________________ Crate 302, Trick Flow Intake R, 75mm MAF, bbk 75mm throttle body, bbk 76mm EGR spacer, 351 Winsor heads ported and polished by Bennet Racing, Lunati cam, 30 pd. Injectors, TKO 500, aluminum drive shaft, bbk mid length headers, bbk off road H pipe, 3:55,

February 19th, 2007, 04:17 PM	#19
TurboLX I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1988 Mustang LX Turbo Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NY Posts: 8,792 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 0 reviews	that kinda power is gonna cost some dough __________________ 1988 LX Coupe 2.5L, GT35R, 44mm WG, 32psi, C16.

February 19th, 2007, 08:02 PM	#20
Stangzilla MM Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On my way to Baines's house!! Posts: 3,298 iTrader: 0 reviews	Cuz I have a wet shot of No2 and in a couple of years when I get tired of my N\A motor I will be building a turbo motor.. With the PMS I have I can taylor my injectors to run right with my combo.. I set up my motor like that purposely... __________________ Rotating The Earth 1320 Feet At A Time!! Today, I found out that when I masturbate at night while watching internet porn I cast a huge shadow on the curtain and the entire street is able to see it.

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