[ReverendDexter]

That seems to happen a lot with Chevy.... something would be faster than the Corvette, so it get's held back, and then dropped from production. It happened with the Fiero, all the turbo cars/trucks (Firebird, T-type, Tyfoon/Syclone, etc). Not that Chevy's the only one to do it - Ford killed the turbo 2.3 when it was getting faster than the 5.0, and Porsche kills/detunes anything that starts getting faster than the 911 (914-6, 924, Cayman).

[Iwannagofast]

Originally Posted by baine21225 Really? Did you really just try to bring an Impala into this?

yah an impala thats just as fast as a lot of stock 5.0s

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by Iwannagofast yah an impala thats just as fast as a lot of stock 5.0s

A V6 Camry is faster than a stock 5.0; doesn't mean it's anything special.

[baine21225]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter A V6 Camry is faster than a stock 5.0; doesn't mean it's anything special.

Exactly what I was about to say, it like saying Clark's and Fox both make good shoes

[flyin ryan]

Originally Posted by Iwannagofast a watch a video about them once and it did say how it was faster than a vette and made like 270 hp....and of course a turbo is gonna be better than the pos M90 supercharger....like i said i dont know a whole lot about them i just figured that the heads cam and intake would be similar to todays 3.8s....and i know they just dont make much power for what they are....those gnx's are kick ass cars tho

They are completely different cars honestly. Unless you've experienced one or had your door blown off by one you won't understand and im not trying to sound like a dick.

here's a pic of my 87

[Iwannagofast]

Yah im def not trying to piss anyone off and i wasnt really comparing the cars at all...just the amount of power the 3.8 makes....it may be a completley different engine...idk...just wondering

[89StangGT]

Originally Posted by ReverendDexter So, a stock hp foxbody with the crappy triangulated 4-link was a whole 3 tenths slower than an 11 year newer Camaro with 80-100 more hp, a torque arm, and a more experienced driver?

I don't know if you saw the bolt ons I listed. But I think that the LS1 is obviously a better platform to start with...it took me headers, h pipe, catback, gears, underdrives, weight reduction, and slicks and skinnies to go 3 tenths SLOWER than what my STONE STOCK HEAVY ASS F-Body went, with comfortable leather interior, highway gears, and stock tires.

[Iwannagofast]

Originally Posted by 89StangGT I don't know if you saw the bolt ons I listed. But I think that the LS1 is obviously a better platform to start with...it took me headers, h pipe, catback, gears, underdrives, weight reduction, and slicks and skinnies to go 3 tenths SLOWER than what my STONE STOCK HEAVY ASS F-Body went, with comfortable leather interior, highway gears, and stock tires.

Fbody ftw

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by 89StangGT I don't know if you saw the bolt ons I listed. But I think that the LS1 is obviously a better platform to start with...it took me headers, h pipe, catback, gears, underdrives, weight reduction, and slicks and skinnies to go 3 tenths SLOWER than what my STONE STOCK HEAVY ASS F-Body went, with comfortable leather interior, highway gears, and stock tires.

I wrote up a whole thing about that... got rid of it as it sounded way too argumentative and like I was trying to prove you wrong

The short of it was just that I can't see the fox vs camaro as a valid comparison between the two motors, nor necessary, as I think anyone on this site would say the LS1 is a better motor. More displacement, less weight, and much better designed from the factory... you'd have to be brand loyal to the point of total blindness to say elsewise.

The question here, though, is if it's "better enough" to justify the time/labor/money invovled in the motor swap, versus what that same time/labor/money could've got you with the stock motor. I say that there's a break-even point, and that point depends on what your access and ability to fabrication and parts.

What I wonder is how many people would be as okay with swapping a 2JZ-GTE into a foxbody as are suggesting the LS1?

[Mean 5.0]

If im not mistaken dart makes aluminum blocks in 302 and 351, only reason i wouldnt do a swap like this is because i dont want to hear "had to put a chevy motor in it to make it fast" from all the chevy guys

But IMO, Ls1 is a FAR superior motor...h/c/i and your sitting at 430hp...arent gonna get that out of a lil 302...

[ReverendDexter]

Originally Posted by Mean 5.0 430hp...arent gonna get that out of a lil 302...

What about a 351? What happens when you take displacement out of the equation?

[Mean 5.0]

Man, if i could afford to get a dart 351 aluminium block and stroke it to a 408...whew....id be all kinds of content!

[Iwannagofast]

Originally Posted by Mean 5.0 Man, if i could afford to get a dart 351 aluminium block and stroke it to a 408...whew....id be all kinds of content!

well wouldnt we all!!!