Supercharger and Turbo FOX?

McMustang5.0 · December 27th, 2009, 01:22 PM

A friend of mine says he has seen a 1991 Mustang 5.0 with a supercharger and twin turbos?

Is that even possible?

I called B.S, until he showed me a photo of the car, its looks legit but I really dont know if thats possible?

Help!

BWAL · December 27th, 2009, 01:24 PM

yeah, it's possible

baine21225 · December 27th, 2009, 02:32 PM

possible, but dumb. you engine is only as efficient as the least efficient part, since the blower will usually have more of a parasitic loss it will limit what the turbos can do, people do it for looks and to "be different" but power/efficiency/cost wise it definitely not the best/smartest choice

baine21225 · December 27th, 2009, 02:40 PM

not a fox, but here is an example

Updated pics of the Hellion Hellraiser project! - ModularFords.com

JBIGBOOTSY · December 28th, 2009, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by baine21225

not a fox, but here is an example

Updated pics of the Hellion Hellraiser project! - ModularFords.com

I wonder if thats really efficient?

NO_PI_NO_POWER · December 28th, 2009, 06:14 AM

They've been doing it awhile. Good Bottom end power and response from the positive displacement, and then run a big turbo or two, for some top end. Hellion made over 1,000 hp on an 03 cobra and a gt500 with twin 66mm turbos. I believe they said that they would have made more peak power without the blower in place, but response and bottom end power would have suffered. Anyways, here's another link.

Compound Boost 2003 Mustang Cobra Twin-Turbo - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine

McMustang5.0 · December 28th, 2009, 10:35 AM

Wow. thats incredible! 1200 HP! wow! everything about that car is sweet, 160# injectors, almost 50# of boost! just incerdible!

I wonder if you could twin procharge and twin turbo?

93hatch · December 28th, 2009, 10:39 AM

There was a huge thread on nabisco about some guys doing it on an sti. And i sold those heads and intake mcnugget

flyin ryan · December 28th, 2009, 11:15 AM

gay

baine21225 · December 28th, 2009, 11:33 AM

FYI, when guys say compound boost they are usually referring to a smaller turbo spooling into a larger turbo. i guess its still compound with a blower, but you may be looked at funny in a conversation if you talk about it that way. i think its kind of a waste of money with the blower in the equation, with 2 turbos they have had some pretty decent results

JBIGBOOTSY · December 28th, 2009, 12:27 PM

I'd just run nitrous with boost. I want a super sequential twin t3's feeding a t4 feeding a centrifugal feeding a roots. I plan on 6 psi.

ddarkslayer · December 28th, 2009, 02:26 PM

now thats somone who couldn't make a decision so I got both haha

86er · December 28th, 2009, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by baine21225

possible, but dumb. you engine is only as efficient as the least efficient part, since the blower will usually have more of a parasitic loss it will limit what the turbos can do, people do it for looks and to "be different" but power/efficiency/cost wise it definitely not the best/smartest choice

tell that to the cobra with a stock m112 and a pair of 67 turbos that put down 1200hp and 44lbs of boost lol

fuck me for not reading all the posts, beat to the point twice.

baine21225 · December 28th, 2009, 03:39 PM

you can not say that you could not do it with less boost without the blower in the way, it is exactly what i said it is, the least efficient part.

NO_PI_NO_POWER · December 28th, 2009, 04:50 PM

No Brake boosting to spool your big single or big twins, and no bottle to refill. Kind of like packing big cubic inch under the hood with your turbo setup, but not really; but you are able to spool a big turbo more quickly. Similar to the compound turbos on the diesel trucks, if you have a stock or reasonably sized turbo that offers great spooling characteristics, and then a big turbo that when used individually would typically be very laggy, you maybe think about putting your foot into it, and you have 40-60 lbs of boost, and then when that big turbo lights, you've got 80psi+. Nitrous on top of that makes it even worse, lol sticky tires or 4 wheel drive help.

JBIGBOOTSY · December 28th, 2009, 05:15 PM

You don't leave the line at idle. A 2step or a trans brake makes leaving with good boost a cinch. If the blower abd turbo combo was killer, more people would run it.

There are more 1200 hp single power adder(turbo or blower) cars out there than dual power adders.

NO_PI_NO_POWER · December 28th, 2009, 05:48 PM

Yes I understand that. Its just a different approach, and ive only experienced it with diesel and compound turbos, possibly a little overkill for the street, but it does work.

JBIGBOOTSY · December 28th, 2009, 05:53 PM

Even the guys that run 6's @ over 200mph don't do it. I think there are prolly more turbo/gutted blower cobras then turbo/blower cobras.

flyin ryan · December 28th, 2009, 10:22 PM

pick one and go with it why complicate things for the same result?
again gay

M L Struck · December 28th, 2009, 10:53 PM

I never thought 1200 hp Mustang would be gay.

December 27th, 2009, 01:22 PM	#1
McMustang5.0 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 595 iTrader: 0 reviews	Supercharger and Turbo FOX? A friend of mine says he has seen a 1991 Mustang 5.0 with a supercharger and twin turbos? Is that even possible? I called B.S, until he showed me a photo of the car, its looks legit but I really dont know if thats possible? Help!

December 27th, 2009, 01:24 PM	#2
BWAL MSTRB8N & MDR8N 2021 Mustang V15 Quad Turbo with nawz Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: On The Shaft Posts: 19,658 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 4 reviews	yeah, it's possible __________________ MM 1 am boner crew Cars and mod list in garage i like veiny meat sliding between my buttcheeks

December 27th, 2009, 02:32 PM	#3
baine21225 MM Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 4,349 iTrader: 1 reviews	possible, but dumb. you engine is only as efficient as the least efficient part, since the blower will usually have more of a parasitic loss it will limit what the turbos can do, people do it for looks and to "be different" but power/efficiency/cost wise it definitely not the best/smartest choice __________________ "That's how Dad did it, that's how America does it... and it's worked out pretty well so far..."

December 27th, 2009, 02:40 PM	#4
baine21225 MM Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 4,349 iTrader: 1 reviews	not a fox, but here is an example Updated pics of the Hellion Hellraiser project! - ModularFords.com __________________ "That's how Dad did it, that's how America does it... and it's worked out pretty well so far..."

December 28th, 2009, 06:14 AM	#6
NO_PI_NO_POWER Granny Shifter 1997 Mustang GT 12.297@113.47 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greeley, CO Posts: 752 iTrader: 0 reviews	They've been doing it awhile. Good Bottom end power and response from the positive displacement, and then run a big turbo or two, for some top end. Hellion made over 1,000 hp on an 03 cobra and a gt500 with twin 66mm turbos. I believe they said that they would have made more peak power without the blower in place, but response and bottom end power would have suffered. Anyways, here's another link. Compound Boost 2003 Mustang Cobra Twin-Turbo - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords Magazine __________________ 1997 GT 2.6L Kenne Bell Build Thread 1989 LX

December 28th, 2009, 10:35 AM	#7
McMustang5.0 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 595 iTrader: 0 reviews	Wow. thats incredible! 1200 HP! wow! everything about that car is sweet, 160# injectors, almost 50# of boost! just incerdible! I wonder if you could twin procharge and twin turbo?

December 28th, 2009, 10:39 AM	#8
93hatch Banned 1992 Lx 11.39@119.24 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Az Posts: 11,644 iTrader: 0 reviews	There was a huge thread on nabisco about some guys doing it on an sti. And i sold those heads and intake mcnugget __________________ [QUOTE=93mustank;2577445]We speed tested my right arm for quickness in shifts... So he could design the cam for proper shift recovery.[/QUOTE]

December 28th, 2009, 11:15 AM	#9
flyin ryan Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,387 iTrader: 0 reviews	gay

December 28th, 2009, 11:33 AM	#10
baine21225 MM Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 4,349 iTrader: 1 reviews	FYI, when guys say compound boost they are usually referring to a smaller turbo spooling into a larger turbo. i guess its still compound with a blower, but you may be looked at funny in a conversation if you talk about it that way. i think its kind of a waste of money with the blower in the equation, with 2 turbos they have had some pretty decent results __________________ "That's how Dad did it, that's how America does it... and it's worked out pretty well so far..."

December 28th, 2009, 12:27 PM	#11
JBIGBOOTSY MM Fanatic 1990 LX hatch Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hobart Indiana Posts: 4,391 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'd just run nitrous with boost. I want a super sequential twin t3's feeding a t4 feeding a centrifugal feeding a roots. I plan on 6 psi. __________________ Bolt-on Abraham Lincoln Log motor. With extra wiring.

December 28th, 2009, 02:26 PM	#12
ddarkslayer Hardcore Enthusiast 1988 Mustang 5.0 LX 12.48@118.27 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 1,446 iTrader: 0 reviews	now thats somone who couldn't make a decision so I got both haha

December 28th, 2009, 03:39 PM	#14
baine21225 MM Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 4,349 iTrader: 1 reviews	you can not say that you could not do it with less boost without the blower in the way, it is exactly what i said it is, the least efficient part. __________________ "That's how Dad did it, that's how America does it... and it's worked out pretty well so far..."

December 28th, 2009, 04:50 PM	#15
NO_PI_NO_POWER Granny Shifter 1997 Mustang GT 12.297@113.47 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greeley, CO Posts: 752 iTrader: 0 reviews	No Brake boosting to spool your big single or big twins, and no bottle to refill. Kind of like packing big cubic inch under the hood with your turbo setup, but not really; but you are able to spool a big turbo more quickly. Similar to the compound turbos on the diesel trucks, if you have a stock or reasonably sized turbo that offers great spooling characteristics, and then a big turbo that when used individually would typically be very laggy, you maybe think about putting your foot into it, and you have 40-60 lbs of boost, and then when that big turbo lights, you've got 80psi+. Nitrous on top of that makes it even worse, lol sticky tires or 4 wheel drive help. __________________ 1997 GT 2.6L Kenne Bell Build Thread 1989 LX

December 28th, 2009, 05:15 PM	#16
JBIGBOOTSY MM Fanatic 1990 LX hatch Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hobart Indiana Posts: 4,391 iTrader: 0 reviews	You don't leave the line at idle. A 2step or a trans brake makes leaving with good boost a cinch. If the blower abd turbo combo was killer, more people would run it. There are more 1200 hp single power adder(turbo or blower) cars out there than dual power adders. __________________ Bolt-on Abraham Lincoln Log motor. With extra wiring.

December 28th, 2009, 05:48 PM	#17
NO_PI_NO_POWER Granny Shifter 1997 Mustang GT 12.297@113.47 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greeley, CO Posts: 752 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yes I understand that. Its just a different approach, and ive only experienced it with diesel and compound turbos, possibly a little overkill for the street, but it does work. __________________ 1997 GT 2.6L Kenne Bell Build Thread 1989 LX

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December 28th, 2009, 05:53 PM	#18
JBIGBOOTSY MM Fanatic 1990 LX hatch Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hobart Indiana Posts: 4,391 iTrader: 0 reviews	Even the guys that run 6's @ over 200mph don't do it. I think there are prolly more turbo/gutted blower cobras then turbo/blower cobras. __________________ Bolt-on Abraham Lincoln Log motor. With extra wiring.

December 28th, 2009, 10:22 PM	#19
flyin ryan Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,387 iTrader: 0 reviews	pick one and go with it why complicate things for the same result? again gay

December 28th, 2009, 10:53 PM	#20
M L Struck Hardcore Enthusiast 85 GT/86 SVO/2010 GT500 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rossville IN Posts: 1,183 iTrader: 0 reviews	I never thought 1200 hp Mustang would be gay. __________________ "Having a 9 second neon is like coming out of the closet, everyone is shocked at first, but in the end you're still gay." 5.4 Shelby Crew member #1

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