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post #21 of 46 Old August 9th, 2010, 10:43 PM
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thats a chevrolet motor..ew..and im sure the price is outrageous...brimmer..why not focus more on torque than hp..thats what wins races anyways and for HMERacing, if he had the budget for that than surely he'd have the budget for a 20k crate motor from fomoco but once again..if the work is done for you it takes the fun away..and the stress..but yea..and the motor is discontinued..i was looking for a price to compare
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love the feed back everyone thank you. I want 500-600hp because it's a good round number and i want to be competitive with the 2011 gt. lol it's nothing to do with fast and the furious, but I do love the movies. and with todays family cars putting out 300+hp i don't wanna get toasted by one of them either. that would just be stupid ya know. I didn't think I was being unrealistic for the 5.0.
an no I haven't driven anything with that kinda power, but i'm sure I can. question is will it still be a good daily drive and be fun to drive with 500-600hp. i'll be honest i'm looking for in the 500hp range. I know some of you guys must have a 500hp 87-93 5.0 daily driver right?

and I wouldn't dream of putting a chevy motor in a mustang no matter the hp.

I found what I think will be my start point from Kenny Bell supercharger kit that they sell for the 87-93 5.0L mustang it's a 2.1L 6psi kit. i'm guessing with that a set of heads, cam, drives pulley kit, timing advance, headers into an off-road H-pipe into MAC pro dumps and some other stuff I probibly won't make 500hp but close right?

There's a mustang shop near me in the states, in the Dillsburg, pa area.
Getting all this stuff will take a good bit of time though.

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If you are serious about wanting that power lvl in a daily you need to ditch the POS 5.0 block. I would do a 351w with some forged pistons the rest of the bottom end could stay stock and look into getting a BG turbo kit for said motor. Spend the money on the fuel system and other upgrades they will recommend (upgraded suspension and the rest of the driveline) and get it all hooked up and let the miles of smiles begin. It will drive like a stocker till you romp on it, with that much power it WILL break the tires loose at high way speeds and want to get squirrely if you don’t spend the coin on the rest of the car.
I have a 91 vert with a 351 twin turbo I just finished, it puts down low 600 hp and to be honest it is not what I thought would be like. It is fun but the car is setup to turn corners and tires get expensive if you want to use the power. Just be ready for a lot of extra expenses when running something like this, they are not cheap to keep going.
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So what are the most common number put out on the stock 5.0L engine after some bolt-ons? because I am deffinately planing on suspension upgrades as my primary after this feedback. I want a fun daily driver is the big picture. I thought 500hp was an easy number to reach with the 5.0L
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So what are the most common number put out on the stock 5.0L engine after some bolt-ons? because I am deffinately planing on suspension upgrades as my primary after this feedback. I want a fun daily driver is the big picture. I thought 500hp was an easy number to reach with the 5.0L
Something with 330rwhp is capable of running mid 11s and is fun to drive and is do able with a 302. The average street 347 makes 400rwhp and is capable of running 10s.

My daily driver has 16 cylinders and 4400hp @ 1000 rpm....


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you can easily make 500 hp on a stock block 302... it's been done a million times+1

basic recipe
decent aluminum heads, moderate cam, and a decent intake
Add 10-15 lbs of boost to taste
Solid tune and fuel mods

let cook at 350 degrees for 35 minutes and presto... 500 hp.

there is really nothing that hard about it and a stock block will take it for a long time. If you split the block after a year or two, buy another complete short for less than $1000 or upgrade to a 351w.

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If you're making 500 at the tires, with a stock 302 block, you're running on borrowed time.

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+1 on 351w but id still stroke to a 408 and supercharge it..im sure itll make over 500hp then but wth..still a money issue...and time..so when youre "done" with the 302 you could always start on it..
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With a stroked 351 and FI, it'll be harder to not make 500 hp than it will to make it, unless you have ray charles assemble your engine. Like a few guys have posted, it will cost you just as much if not more to reliably handle the power as it will to make it. 500hp is pointless if you can't plant it to the ground without constantly breaking traction or parts..
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he already planned on a suspension upgrade...throw a 4 link in and itll be fine lol
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With a stroked 351 and FI, it'll be harder to not make 500 hp than it will to make it, unless you have ray charles assemble your engine. Like a few guys have posted, it will cost you just as much if not more to reliably handle the power as it will to make it. 500hp is pointless if you can't plant it to the ground without constantly breaking traction or parts..
Man, this is the second thread Ray Charles is getting a bad rap.
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Man, this is the second thread Ray Charles is getting a bad rap.
Great musician! .. Terrible engine builder.
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you can easily make 500 hp on a stock block 302... it's been done a million times+1

basic recipe
decent aluminum heads, moderate cam, and a decent intake
Add 10-15 lbs of boost to taste
Solid tune and fuel mods

let cook at 350 degrees for 35 minutes and presto... 500 hp.

there is really nothing that hard about it and a stock block will take it for a long time. If you split the block after a year or two, buy another complete short for less than $1000 or upgrade to a 351w.
+1, I've been doing it for years myself while also emission legal and AC and my wife can go get groceries in it. If and when it cracks, I'll scavange what I can and probably do it again. Now mine is full weight, street tires, battery still in front and everything else including spare tire still there so my 1/4 times would suffer compared to others with a lot less power but that wasn't my goal at the time. I have a few more year of emissions tests and I'm sure my AC will break eventually and then I'll start sheding weight.


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dude, even just a stock 5.0 with some bolt ons and a good hci setup will run with alot of cars with alot more horsepower than it. add some gears to the equation and you've got a very fast car that is still reliable as stock and will outrun 90% of cars on the road. My bone stock 5.0 with exhaust and 4.10 gears would keep up with rt chargers and i would smoke s197 gt's
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If you're making 500 at the tires, with a stock 302 block, you're running on borrowed time.
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Yep and you should see what they look like when they take a shit. Sometimes you can save the cam but alot of the time if it is reving everything is junk except for the intake. I've seen a 5 liter block fail a time or two....

My daily driver has 16 cylinders and 4400hp @ 1000 rpm....


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I have always heard the 5.0 to be a very solid trooper of a motor, and I have a hotrod magazine where they dressed up a junkyard 5.0. I mean I don't even have a a fox 5.0 yet, i'm stuck in Germany until Saturday. but as soon as I get home i'm getting one and i'm sure it will have a buncha mods already on it and i won't have to do quite as much.

I plan on driving this car all the time, and having AC and all that and the spare in the back. i'm not really trying to make it a race car. what I want is a badass daily driver that if I want I can take it to the local drag strip sometimes an play. and at some point it will get the 5lug an disc brake convertion. I have found a red 88 GT convertable I might get. and i'm looking at either 3.55's or 3.73's... but I want to put some wide rubber in the rear. and sub frame connectors are a must have.
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you can easily make 500 hp on a stock block 302... it's been done a million times+1

basic recipe
decent aluminum heads, moderate cam, and a decent intake
Add 10-15 lbs of boost to taste
Solid tune and fuel mods
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "solid tune". Are we just talking about timing and fuel pressure adjustments on 60 pound injectors or are we talking about software changes and computer components beyond EEC-IV?

I'm about to get a B&G kit for a 1993 5.0, to be done in my garage. Just trying to see what I'm getting myself into. I keep finding on the web that 400-500 hp can be reached on the stock computer, but I'm kinda wondering if that's a bad idea.

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For the one that is not discontinued, it is only $22K...
Yea $21690 for the engine, plus $1980 for the front accessory drive setup, plus $1690 for the PCM & wiring harness, plus $1680 for the dry sump oiling, plus who knows what else???

Probably not too cost effective. Plus its a CHEVY!!!!!

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you can easily make 500 hp on a stock block 302... it's been done a million times+1

basic recipe
decent aluminum heads, moderate cam, and a decent intake
Add 10-15 lbs of boost to taste
Solid tune and fuel mods

QUOTE]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "solid tune". Are we just talking about timing and fuel pressure adjustments on 60 pound injectors or are we talking about software changes and computer components beyond EEC-IV?

I'm about to get a B&G kit for a 1993 5.0, to be done in my garage. Just trying to see what I'm getting myself into. I keep finding on the web that 400-500 hp can be reached on the stock computer, but I'm kinda wondering if that's a bad idea.
I think he is talking about a piggy back tuner like a Moates QuarterHorse, or Tweecer R/T, or Anderson PMS.

I'd be carfull if you are putting boost to a stock 93 short block. They had factory hyperutetic pistons. Not know for holding alot of boost!

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I'd be carfull if you are putting boost to a stock 93 short block. They had factory hyperutetic pistons. Not know for holding alot of boost!
Aye, but plenty of folks have split blocks right in half running hypereutectic pistons.
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