[k_schutte]

Hey guys, I have a 460 swapped '87 GT. I am using a Spectre 728 dual snorkel ram air cleaner. I am trying to decide if it would be better to run the tubes down to the fog light holes (I am obviously not running fog lights) or if I should just run them to the inner fender wells.

I personally want to go to the fog lights but some one mentioned the longer tubes might actually hurt performance rather than the short tubes to the fender well...?


What do you guys think? the engine is a "mild" 460 with a C6. Probably 500~ at the flywheel but I plan to squirt a 200~ shot in the near future as well.

[302Army187]

i would use the fenders

[k_schutte]

Why is that?

[302Army187]

like you said, extra long tubes kill power, and you will just be picking up leafs and shit.


If you want to be a bit unique, put the filters in the fender, then mock up some tubing/pvc pipe/ etc from the fog lights, and dumping into the fenders, that way air is forced into the fender more, but you dont have to route the filter all the way down there.

or remove the corner light to the headlights, so it lets air into the fenders.

[k_schutte]

Originally Posted by 302Army187 like you said, extra long tubes kill power, and you will just be picking up leafs and shit. If you want to be a bit unique, put the filters in the fender, then mock up some tubing/pvc pipe/ etc from the fog lights, and dumping into the fenders, that way air is forced into the fender more, but you dont have to route the filter all the way down there. or remove the corner light to the headlights, so it lets air into the fenders.

this setup doesn't have air filters like a cold air intake. it just has the 14" round filter at the carb like a regular air cleaner.

[Digsj7]

+1 on picking up leaves and shit...Running them to your corner lights would be pretty cool and higher off the ground! Still gonna find a lot of grasshoppers and butterflys in that filter!

[k_schutte]

well, I would of course be covering the holes with mesh. The car is mainly street driven so I want to keep it as stock looking as possible.

[nolife]

Years ago, I made a "ram air" using a 4 inch flexible pipe to the fog light hole, a second attempt was a larger setup underneath modeled similar to the March ram air kit, and finally a third one in the grill area of a GT. All three got me 0.00 and 0.0 mph improvements in the 1/4 after many runs with each compared to just sucking from the fender. They did pick up a lot of cigarette butts, small rocks, bugs, and leaves though. If you do it, post up some before and after times/mph.

[brendanryan0510]

running your air filter to the foglight hole does sound like a good idea for better airflow, but it also sounds like a better way for you car to suck in water if it was raining. it would probobly also suck in rocks, leaves, and other "road debre."

[k_schutte]

as far as the water goes... I would think a ram air setup like on my '73 Mach One would suck in much more water than the fog light holes on the fox body. your talking 3ft-4ft the water would have to make it up the tubes to actually get to the air filter. Where as on my '73, you are talking a few inches and I think water hitting the hood would pretty much flow right into the scoops and directly on the air filter element.


and again, as far a s the leaves and such, there would be wire mesh covering the fog light holes...

[nolife]

Sounds like your mind is already made up. Do it, post some pics of the process and let us know how it goes.

[k_schutte]

Originally Posted by nolife Sounds like your mind is already made up. Do it, post some pics of the process and let us know how it goes.

Well, on the one hand it IS what I really want to do but if someone had some real input on it hurting power i would go another direction. so far all I am hearing is junk getting sucked up some how (which won't happen thanks to the mesh) and water being an issue with it that low but traditional "ram air" I think would potentially suck a LOT more water.

Not like I would be driving it on rainy days anyways but...

[nolife]

Well I posted that it did not help any, it didn't seem to hurt either though. I'm sure every setup is different.

[ReverendDexter]

I'd go fenders, myself.

The foglight holes are for brake vent ducting

[ryanw]

They do sell a set up that takes the flex hose down below your fog light and opens up into a plasic scoop. maybe thats what that other guy was talking about (RAM AIR) I think thats like 145 dollars. Im not sure its been a while since ive seen that add. but at one time i was going to do that. I forget if the 85 mustang gt has the plasic duct that goes more then half way down the fender. If it does you could pic up one or two of them ,piece them together for your set up.

[k_schutte]

Originally Posted by ryanw They do sell a set up that takes the flex hose down below your fog light and opens up into a plasic scoop. maybe thats what that other guy was talking about (RAM AIR) I think thats like 145 dollars. Im not sure its been a while since ive seen that add. but at one time i was going to do that. I forget if the 85 mustang gt has the plasic duct that goes more then half way down the fender. If it does you could pic up one or two of them ,piece them together for your set up.

I actually have two of those pieces already, but not really what I am looking to do. I am going to just route them down to the fog lights as I planned and see what happens.


Thank you everyone for your input! This thread was mainly to see if anyone would pop in and say "I did that and lost .2 in the quarter" or something like that. Not expecting it to gain any power really, I just think it would look interesting and get some attention.

[ryanw]

Good luck with it. put some pics up when your done, id love to see it

[EscortSportage]

what im wondering is why u think u need to make more power, (460) forget the ram air, u said ur gonna throw a bottle in her, dont waste ur time with ram air, its not the 70's boost is the name of the game...the bottle is amazing too,

[k_schutte]

Originally Posted by EscortSportage what im wondering is why u think u need to make more power, (460) forget the ram air, u said ur gonna throw a bottle in her, dont waste ur time with ram air, its not the 70's boost is the name of the game...the bottle is amazing too,

I never said I was looking to do it to add power. I asked if it would HURT the power at all. I am doing it to get nice, fresh air into the intake and because I have two big ass empty holes in my front bumper so I figured "why not"...

[95StangMX]

YouTube - VTEC Intake Routed Inside the Car!

YouTube - VTEC Intake Routed Inside the Car!

Do this and make sure to point your AC vent directly at it so you will really have a cold air intake, of course you will need one on the drivers side as well...