No oil out of pushrods during priming

93hatch · December 6th, 2010, 01:53 PM

Made this thread on corral too, see what you guys think.

Priming my 347 with a cordless drill, spinning the oil pump shaft counter clockwise, but cant get oil to come out of the pushrods. Last time we primed the motor it came out quick, been spinning it this time prob 10-15 min and nothing. Thoughts?

93hatch · December 6th, 2010, 02:23 PM

I dont think the botton of the oil pump shaft is in the pump, shouldnt be able to do this

mxnate116 · December 6th, 2010, 02:33 PM

yeah that pump shaft doesnt look seated, i think you can only put the shaft in from the bottom.

was the drill struggling while you were priming?

93hatch · December 6th, 2010, 02:36 PM

nope. Watch that vid, thats how easy it spins

FastStang91Lx · December 6th, 2010, 07:59 PM

I think you'll have to pull your motor back out and replace your cam bearings

ryanw · December 6th, 2010, 08:11 PM

I saw some thing like this on tv... and it turned out to be the position of the rotating assembly. ( meaning that in one certain spot the oil passages are blocked )they cranked it into a different position and then it would prime. i think it was just a few dagrees.

93hatch · December 6th, 2010, 09:30 PM

Spun it to like 4 different positions and tried it, no luck. I'm 90% sure the shaft isn't in the oil pump. It spins waaaay to fuckin easy. I'm gona pull my timing cover tomorrow. Sucks fucking dick

fogged306 · December 6th, 2010, 09:50 PM

You're right, that is spinning way too easy. I can barely spin mine with my good 18v cordless and get oil out of the pushrods so to be able to spin it by hand like that has to be the shaft not seated, given that the pump was fine before you pulled the motor.

flyin ryan · December 6th, 2010, 09:52 PM

i'd yank it man somethings def not right

93hatch · December 6th, 2010, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by fogged306

You're right, that is spinning way too easy. I can barely spin mine with my good 18v cordless and get oil out of the pushrods so to be able to spin it by hand like that has to be the shaft not seated, given that the pump was fine before you pulled the motor.

Yeah figured. Pump has maybe 150 miles on it shits brand new. If I have to pull the fucking motor I'm gona burn the car. Just got it dropped in bolted up to the tranny and my headers on today. Just really hopin I can see in there/fuck with the shaft with the cover off without pulling the pan

AdderMk2 · December 7th, 2010, 02:12 AM

EVERYONE STOP!!!!!!!

I ran into an issue very similar to this and I'd appreciate nobody else butting in until hatch responds.

Lets start with the easy things. Did this engine just recently get built, or has it been running before?

If its a fresh build, did you verify that ALL of the oil galley plugs were in place? There are three behind the timing cover, and one at the rear of the engine, up top under the PCV.

(see pics)

After you have verified all of the above. follow these steps.

first, you have to spin the pump counterclockwise.
second, you wont get oil out of the pushrods unless you are turning the engine over. The only time oil will flow through the lifters is when they pass through a certain area of the lifter bores.

Put a 15/16 socket on the crank and SLOWLY turn it clockwise while you are cranking on the oil pump driveshaft counterclockwise

ryans88gt · December 7th, 2010, 08:58 AM

^^ dude didn't even read the thread...hahaha

Yeah pull the motor back out, either the shaft is fucked or the pump is fucked, or there is no oil in the pan...

no way you should be able to spin it that easy.

93hatch · December 7th, 2010, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by ryans88gt

^^ dude didn't even read the thread...hahaha

Yeah pull the motor back out, either the shaft is fucked or the pump is fucked, or there is no oil in the pan...

no way you should be able to spin it that easy.

but I dont waaanaaaaaa, Im gona go pull the cover in a bit and hopefully be able to see in there. And theres 7 mothafucken quarts in it

AdderMk2 · December 7th, 2010, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by ryans88gt

^^ dude didn't even read the thread...hahaha

Yeah pull the motor back out, either the shaft is fucked or the pump is fucked, or there is no oil in the pan...

no way you should be able to spin it that easy.

first of all, stfu. I didnt ask for your comments.

Hatch. Dont pull the engine out. If you want to verify that the oil pump is working, just remove your oil filter. If there is oil in it, your pump is working.

IF there is oil in the filter... remove your intake manifold and make sure the rear lifter valley oil galley plug is installed. When I first got my engine, it wasnt there. I too would prime and prime. and nothing would happen. I never got oil up into the heads. That galley plug ended up being my problem.

93hatch · December 7th, 2010, 10:15 AM

figure it out motherfuckers, thanks for all the help. Oil pump shaft was in there crooked or some shit, tried to slap my dizzy on, wouldnt seat, was at least an inch too high, to the point I could spin the rotor (so the gear wasnt engaged with the cam gear) Kept fucking with it pulling it in and out, in and out, slowly, then hard, then slow again, and eventually it lined up and went bout an inch lower, stuck the drill on, bam resistance, oil out of pushrods

93hatch · December 7th, 2010, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by AdderMk2

first of all, stfu. I didnt ask for your comments.

Hatch. Dont pull the engine out. If you want to verify that the oil pump is working, just remove your oil filter. If there is oil in it, your pump is working.

IF there is oil in the filter... remove your intake manifold and make sure the rear lifter valley oil galley plug is installed. When I first got my engine, it wasnt there. I too would prime and prime. and nothing would happen. I never got oil up into the heads. That galley plug ended up being my problem.

your ideas woulda made perfect sense, but the engine was running bout a month and a half ago, and we never touched the oil plugs, otherwise I woulda been pullin shit apart and checkin them. Thanks dude

e3sean · December 7th, 2010, 10:41 AM

you needed to make a thred about that.... you couldnt tell that it wasnt in the hole....i guess thats the story of your life.. lol

fogged306 · December 7th, 2010, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by AdderMk2

first of all, stfu. I didnt ask for your comments.

Hatch. Dont pull the engine out. If you want to verify that the oil pump is working, just remove your oil filter. If there is oil in it, your pump is working.

IF there is oil in the filter... remove your intake manifold and make sure the rear lifter valley oil galley plug is installed. When I first got my engine, it wasnt there. I too would prime and prime. and nothing would happen. I never got oil up into the heads. That galley plug ended up being my problem.

Lol, you can dish it out but you can't take it huh. I had an oil galley plug pop out and cause oil to not get to the top end once too, but the pump, regardless of oil galley plugs in or not, will have resistance to it when you spin it. Thats actually how I found the problem because I spun it with my drill and saw oil dumping back into the pan area from the timing cover. That shaft spinning that easy was either the shaft not seated, or a bad pump... can we all go back to what we were doing now?

93hatch · December 7th, 2010, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by e3sean

you needed to make a thred about that.... you couldnt tell that it wasnt in the hole....i guess thats the story of your life.. lol

I dont have xray vision to see through the timing cover and the block to see it in the oil pump. Was through the hole where the dizzy goes so figured it was straight

AdderMk2 · December 7th, 2010, 01:15 PM

i suppose the main question is.... how the hell did you NOT get it in there right. The shaft should have a stopper on it that prevents it from going up through the block. Did you forget to put it in from the bottom, and simply tried dropping it in from the top?

December 6th, 2010, 01:53 PM	#1
93hatch Banned 1992 Lx 11.39@119.24 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Az Posts: 11,644 iTrader: 0 reviews	No oil out of pushrods during priming Made this thread on corral too, see what you guys think. Priming my 347 with a cordless drill, spinning the oil pump shaft counter clockwise, but cant get oil to come out of the pushrods. Last time we primed the motor it came out quick, been spinning it this time prob 10-15 min and nothing. Thoughts? __________________ [QUOTE=93mustank;2577445]We speed tested my right arm for quickness in shifts... So he could design the cam for proper shift recovery.[/QUOTE]

December 6th, 2010, 02:23 PM	#2
93hatch Banned 1992 Lx 11.39@119.24 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Az Posts: 11,644 iTrader: 0 reviews	I dont think the botton of the oil pump shaft is in the pump, shouldnt be able to do this __________________ [QUOTE=93mustank;2577445]We speed tested my right arm for quickness in shifts... So he could design the cam for proper shift recovery.[/QUOTE]

December 6th, 2010, 02:33 PM	#3
mxnate116 Hardcore Enthusiast SVTfocus, F250 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 2,971 iTrader: 1 reviews	yeah that pump shaft doesnt look seated, i think you can only put the shaft in from the bottom. was the drill struggling while you were priming? __________________

December 6th, 2010, 02:36 PM	#4
93hatch Banned 1992 Lx 11.39@119.24 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Az Posts: 11,644 iTrader: 0 reviews	nope. Watch that vid, thats how easy it spins __________________ [QUOTE=93mustank;2577445]We speed tested my right arm for quickness in shifts... So he could design the cam for proper shift recovery.[/QUOTE]

December 6th, 2010, 07:59 PM	#5
FastStang91Lx I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Mustang LX 5.0 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 5,572 iTrader: 2 reviews	I think you'll have to pull your motor back out and replace your cam bearings __________________ Point made in less than a few hours with minimal response. http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...ml#post4465184

December 6th, 2010, 08:11 PM	#6
ryanw I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Ford Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 6,063 iTrader: 0 reviews	I saw some thing like this on tv... and it turned out to be the position of the rotating assembly. ( meaning that in one certain spot the oil passages are blocked )they cranked it into a different position and then it would prime. i think it was just a few dagrees. __________________ DART 331ci stroker, AFR 185 heads, Trick Flow R intake, Accufab 70mm tb, 75mm pro m Maf, 30lb injectors, jba headers, 2 1/2" x pipe flowmaster super 10 mufflers, 255 fuel pump, 3:27 gears

December 6th, 2010, 09:30 PM	#7
93hatch Banned 1992 Lx 11.39@119.24 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Az Posts: 11,644 iTrader: 0 reviews	Spun it to like 4 different positions and tried it, no luck. I'm 90% sure the shaft isn't in the oil pump. It spins waaaay to fuckin easy. I'm gona pull my timing cover tomorrow. Sucks fucking dick __________________ [QUOTE=93mustank;2577445]We speed tested my right arm for quickness in shifts... So he could design the cam for proper shift recovery.[/QUOTE]

December 6th, 2010, 09:50 PM	#8
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	You're right, that is spinning way too easy. I can barely spin mine with my good 18v cordless and get oil out of the pushrods so to be able to spin it by hand like that has to be the shaft not seated, given that the pump was fine before you pulled the motor.

December 6th, 2010, 09:52 PM	#9
flyin ryan Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,387 iTrader: 0 reviews	i'd yank it man somethings def not right

December 7th, 2010, 02:12 AM	#11
AdderMk2 Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: al-Ahhmadi, Kuwait Posts: 991 iTrader: 0 reviews	EVERYONE STOP!!!!!!! I ran into an issue very similar to this and I'd appreciate nobody else butting in until hatch responds. Lets start with the easy things. Did this engine just recently get built, or has it been running before? If its a fresh build, did you verify that ALL of the oil galley plugs were in place? There are three behind the timing cover, and one at the rear of the engine, up top under the PCV. (see pics) After you have verified all of the above. follow these steps. first, you have to spin the pump counterclockwise. second, you wont get oil out of the pushrods unless you are turning the engine over. The only time oil will flow through the lifters is when they pass through a certain area of the lifter bores. Put a 15/16 socket on the crank and SLOWLY turn it clockwise while you are cranking on the oil pump driveshaft counterclockwise __________________ [URL="http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/2148862880.html"]1994 Cobra For Sale[/URL] [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [QUOTE=Timm10221]Its only a 10 inch Tach that sits right in the center of the dash with LED lights and a Spinner bezel that has dimonds and gold plating.. And when you hit 4500 plus is sounds off (AAHHH SHITT) :cool:[/QUOTE]

December 7th, 2010, 08:58 AM	#12
ryans88gt MM Fanatic Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 4,737 iTrader: 0 reviews	^^ dude didn't even read the thread...hahaha Yeah pull the motor back out, either the shaft is fucked or the pump is fucked, or there is no oil in the pan... no way you should be able to spin it that easy. __________________ 88 GT CHI headed 351w 10.8 @ 125 - still figuring it out. 03 Cobra 2.3 whipple 10.7 @ 129 - sold it 04 Mach 1 12.7 @ 109 mostly stock - sold it 89 LX procharged 302 515 hp 497 ftlbs 10.7 @130 mph - sold it

December 7th, 2010, 10:15 AM	#15
93hatch Banned 1992 Lx 11.39@119.24 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Az Posts: 11,644 iTrader: 0 reviews	figure it out motherfuckers, thanks for all the help. Oil pump shaft was in there crooked or some shit, tried to slap my dizzy on, wouldnt seat, was at least an inch too high, to the point I could spin the rotor (so the gear wasnt engaged with the cam gear) Kept fucking with it pulling it in and out, in and out, slowly, then hard, then slow again, and eventually it lined up and went bout an inch lower, stuck the drill on, bam resistance, oil out of pushrods __________________ [QUOTE=93mustank;2577445]We speed tested my right arm for quickness in shifts... So he could design the cam for proper shift recovery.[/QUOTE]

December 7th, 2010, 10:41 AM	#17
e3sean I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1988 lx 9.68@142 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: goldsboro NC Posts: 5,609 iTrader: 0 reviews	you needed to make a thred about that.... you couldnt tell that it wasnt in the hole....i guess thats the story of your life.. lol __________________

December 7th, 2010, 01:15 PM	#20
AdderMk2 Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: al-Ahhmadi, Kuwait Posts: 991 iTrader: 0 reviews	i suppose the main question is.... how the hell did you NOT get it in there right. The shaft should have a stopper on it that prevents it from going up through the block. Did you forget to put it in from the bottom, and simply tried dropping it in from the top? __________________ [URL="http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/2148862880.html"]1994 Cobra For Sale[/URL] [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [QUOTE=Timm10221]Its only a 10 inch Tach that sits right in the center of the dash with LED lights and a Spinner bezel that has dimonds and gold plating.. And when you hit 4500 plus is sounds off (AAHHH SHITT) :cool:[/QUOTE]

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