please help!!

88_fox_351w · December 14th, 2010, 09:06 PM

I just bought an 88 LX convertible with a full gt kit and a 2.3l. i also bought a 351 (block #d1ae-6015-da9). where can i order the cheapest swap headers and oil pan? And is my block a windsor or a cleveland or is it a modified or 400? I've checked 100's of sites with 100 different answers. please help asap because I'm ready.

01stangV6 · December 14th, 2010, 09:07 PM

I believe this is in the wrong section......but whatever....

TheUNZippee! · December 14th, 2010, 09:07 PM

Welcome to MM. If you like, I can move this to the appropriate forum.

88_fox_351w · December 14th, 2010, 09:09 PM

please thanks

TheUNZippee! · December 14th, 2010, 09:11 PM

All right. Hold tight

Drick · December 14th, 2010, 09:12 PM

Well thats a 1971 Block. You can tell by the D(1970) and the 1(year one of 1970)

The cleavland WAS offered for those years.

Its easy to see by your heads tho. Does it have canted valves? Also the headers have offset bolts on Cleavland heads. Like one top left and the other bottom right.

Instead of the usual straight across bolt pattern.

88_fox_351w · December 14th, 2010, 09:19 PM

i have no way of checking right now. but the #s i have are off the block. is a cleveland better than a windsor? would the same swap headers and oil pan fit?

Drick · December 14th, 2010, 09:21 PM

Its a 351W block tho im sure

Easiest way to determine is look at the water neck. If its part of the block itself then its a cleavland if its part of the intake than its a Windsor.

Also the heads are massive on a cleavland and on a windsor its about the same as a 302 in physical size.

Drick · December 14th, 2010, 09:24 PM

Cleavlands are an entirely different ball game than a windsor.

Stock for stock old engine for old engine. A cleavland will win hands down. It has canted valves and massive heads (on the 4V anyway) and flows MUCH better. The 4V and 2V cleavlands both use their own heads and intake where as the windsor uses the same heads and jut swaps intakes. But there is almost no aftermarket for the cleavland. So in todays day and age unless your restoring a cleavland original car like a 70 Mach with an original cleavland or something. Then its dumb IMO to use a cleavland. A windsor is MUCH cheaper to find parts for and much more potential since it has a huge aftermarket.

But im whilling to bet its a windsor. Id put money on it being a windsor.

88_fox_351w · December 14th, 2010, 09:38 PM

thanks man. i hope it's a windsor. all these sites tell me something different.

nolife · December 14th, 2010, 10:38 PM

The rad hose should be obvious enough but another quick identification.. The C has 8 valve cover bolts, the W has 5.

88_fox_351w · December 15th, 2010, 12:13 AM

can someone please run the # for me please?

86_Notch · December 15th, 2010, 03:35 PM

351 cleveland

351 windsor ( which is probably what you have )

horsepowerjunkie · December 15th, 2010, 04:05 PM

Clevland mechanical fuel pump had verticle bolt down. Windosor mechanical fuel pump had horizontal bolt down.

88_fox_351w · March 1st, 2011, 08:21 PM

got my motor fired up today on the stand after sitting for a year. sounded surprisingly good tho. bottom end sounded nice. carb needs some love... c9ae intake so i might keep it. next... aod rebuild.

ryanw · March 1st, 2011, 08:42 PM

so what did you engine turn out to be a cleveland or a windsor ?

88_fox_351w · March 1st, 2011, 09:08 PM

a windsor i think. im still not for sure. but it hums

FastStang91Lx · March 1st, 2011, 10:21 PM

You think? Hard to get parts for something if you don't know what it is. Reread the whole thread and check all the differences posted.

henry03250 · March 1st, 2011, 10:32 PM

ASk the person you bought the engine from, I would hope they know.

1989Gt. · March 2nd, 2011, 02:57 AM

wow.

December 14th, 2010, 09:06 PM	#1
88_fox_351w Regular 1988 lx convertible not yet... Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: kansas city Posts: 60 iTrader: 0 reviews	please help!! I just bought an 88 LX convertible with a full gt kit and a 2.3l. i also bought a 351 (block #d1ae-6015-da9). where can i order the cheapest swap headers and oil pan? And is my block a windsor or a cleveland or is it a modified or 400? I've checked 100's of sites with 100 different answers. please help asap because I'm ready.

December 14th, 2010, 09:07 PM	#2
01stangV6 It's not easy being green! 2001 mustang 3.76@306 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 4,251 iTrader: 0 reviews	I believe this is in the wrong section......but whatever.... __________________ 2001 V6 vert....mostly stock but she's my beauty. TOPLESS MUSTANG CLUB

December 14th, 2010, 09:12 PM	#6
Drick Big timin' in a small town 2004 FX4 F150, 86 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gods country. Nordern Michigan eh Posts: 14,336 iTrader: 1 reviews	Well thats a 1971 Block. You can tell by the D(1970) and the 1(year one of 1970) The cleavland WAS offered for those years. Its easy to see by your heads tho. Does it have canted valves? Also the headers have offset bolts on Cleavland heads. Like one top left and the other bottom right. Instead of the usual straight across bolt pattern. __________________ FX4 Crew Crew member #1 Don't take anything I say to heart, I don't try to come off as an asshole. It just happens

December 14th, 2010, 09:21 PM	#8
Drick Big timin' in a small town 2004 FX4 F150, 86 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gods country. Nordern Michigan eh Posts: 14,336 iTrader: 1 reviews	Its a 351W block tho im sure Easiest way to determine is look at the water neck. If its part of the block itself then its a cleavland if its part of the intake than its a Windsor. Also the heads are massive on a cleavland and on a windsor its about the same as a 302 in physical size. __________________ FX4 Crew Crew member #1 Don't take anything I say to heart, I don't try to come off as an asshole. It just happens

December 14th, 2010, 09:24 PM	#9
Drick Big timin' in a small town 2004 FX4 F150, 86 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gods country. Nordern Michigan eh Posts: 14,336 iTrader: 1 reviews	Cleavlands are an entirely different ball game than a windsor. Stock for stock old engine for old engine. A cleavland will win hands down. It has canted valves and massive heads (on the 4V anyway) and flows MUCH better. The 4V and 2V cleavlands both use their own heads and intake where as the windsor uses the same heads and jut swaps intakes. But there is almost no aftermarket for the cleavland. So in todays day and age unless your restoring a cleavland original car like a 70 Mach with an original cleavland or something. Then its dumb IMO to use a cleavland. A windsor is MUCH cheaper to find parts for and much more potential since it has a huge aftermarket. But im whilling to bet its a windsor. Id put money on it being a windsor. __________________ FX4 Crew Crew member #1 Don't take anything I say to heart, I don't try to come off as an asshole. It just happens

December 14th, 2010, 09:09 PM	#4
88_fox_351w Regular 1988 lx convertible not yet... Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: kansas city Posts: 60 iTrader: 0 reviews	please thanks

December 14th, 2010, 09:19 PM	#7
88_fox_351w Regular 1988 lx convertible not yet... Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: kansas city Posts: 60 iTrader: 0 reviews	i have no way of checking right now. but the #s i have are off the block. is a cleveland better than a windsor? would the same swap headers and oil pan fit?

December 14th, 2010, 09:38 PM	#10
88_fox_351w Regular 1988 lx convertible not yet... Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: kansas city Posts: 60 iTrader: 0 reviews	thanks man. i hope it's a windsor. all these sites tell me something different.

December 14th, 2010, 10:38 PM	#11
nolife MM Fanatic 91GT, 88GT, 02GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,057 Blog Entries: 3 iTrader: 0 reviews	The rad hose should be obvious enough but another quick identification.. The C has 8 valve cover bolts, the W has 5. __________________

December 15th, 2010, 12:13 AM	#12
88_fox_351w Regular 1988 lx convertible not yet... Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: kansas city Posts: 60 iTrader: 0 reviews	can someone please run the # for me please?

December 15th, 2010, 03:35 PM	#13
86_Notch Hardcore Enthusiast 1986 lx notch 9.98 @ 135 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delaware Posts: 1,522 iTrader: 0 reviews	351 cleveland 351 windsor ( which is probably what you have ) __________________ " Spending money I don't have.... on things I don't need .... to impress people I don't know " .

December 15th, 2010, 04:05 PM	#14
horsepowerjunkie Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 Black LX---Turbo Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: just outside Minot, ND Posts: 1,153 iTrader: 0 reviews	Clevland mechanical fuel pump had verticle bolt down. Windosor mechanical fuel pump had horizontal bolt down. __________________ 89 LX Black, Boss 331, C4,T76BB, FAST EFI 82 Capri RS,89 5.0 HO,Comp XE266,TW 170,T5,etc. 73 Dart Sport 340, 410ci Bracket Brawler 72 Demon 340 4-speed 1 of 1667 01 Ram Quad Cab 03 Grizzley 660

March 1st, 2011, 08:21 PM	#15
88_fox_351w Regular 1988 lx convertible not yet... Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: kansas city Posts: 60 iTrader: 0 reviews	got my motor fired up today on the stand after sitting for a year. sounded surprisingly good tho. bottom end sounded nice. carb needs some love... c9ae intake so i might keep it. next... aod rebuild.

March 1st, 2011, 08:42 PM	#16
ryanw I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Ford Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 6,063 iTrader: 0 reviews	so what did you engine turn out to be a cleveland or a windsor ? __________________ DART 331ci stroker, AFR 185 heads, Trick Flow R intake, Accufab 70mm tb, 75mm pro m Maf, 30lb injectors, jba headers, 2 1/2" x pipe flowmaster super 10 mufflers, 255 fuel pump, 3:27 gears

March 1st, 2011, 09:08 PM	#17
88_fox_351w Regular 1988 lx convertible not yet... Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: kansas city Posts: 60 iTrader: 0 reviews	a windsor i think. im still not for sure. but it hums

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March 1st, 2011, 10:21 PM	#18
FastStang91Lx I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Mustang LX 5.0 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 5,572 iTrader: 2 reviews	You think? Hard to get parts for something if you don't know what it is. Reread the whole thread and check all the differences posted. __________________ Point made in less than a few hours with minimal response. http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...ml#post4465184

March 1st, 2011, 10:32 PM	#19
henry03250 Regular 85 Gt, 95 Gt Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 50 iTrader: 0 reviews	ASk the person you bought the engine from, I would hope they know.

March 2nd, 2011, 02:57 AM	#20
1989Gt. Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 Mustang GT Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,799 iTrader: 0 reviews	wow.

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