[BWAL]

posting this thread for Forums at Modded Mustangs - View Profile: 92 summer edition since he can't figure out how to

ok so my car sat for 2 years while over seas when i was putting it back on the road i drained the tank replaced the fuel filter blow the lines even got a new fuel pump in it cause all ready had the tank down and the old one had a wine to it car started i was driving it for abought an hour than just died out on me i towed it back home started back up the next day sounded real ruff and shut off so got a new igniton control module pulled the distributer out put it on started right up timing off a little couldnt turn the distributer anymore so i pulled it out like a dummie moved it over a gear wouldnt start since. i retimed it and it still wont start any clues

[FastStang91Lx]

Pull the distributor again and redrop it. Fuel, spark, air........ and TIMING. But we don't have a definitive answer on what make the car die. First guess is TFI, yes, but could be something else too. Gonna have to start simple first. Good luck and keep us posted.

[92 summer edition]

yes i replaced the tfi sensor, thats the one on the distributer right? after i did that it started right up, but the timing was off cause i didnt mark the disbributer when i pulled it up. i retimed it perfect and when i put it back down it wouldnt work. of course i thought maybe i made a mistake so i tried to re-time it about 6 times. and the funny part is im a mechanic and i cant even fix my own car, so obviously im not that good of a diagnoser. but my compression is goddamn near perfect on every cylender. im getting fuel. my battery is fully charged up. and im getting spark. it just wont kick over. one mechanic told me to try to pop start it. so i hooked it up to a toe-strap. didnt work. its gotta be an electrical problem. any clues please help! pulling my hairs out. lol

[fogged306]

What color is the spark? And what is your fuel pressure at?

[92 summer edition]

blue im pretty sure. and 37psi i just put new fuel pump and filter on plus a starter cause it broke from cranking so much plus age

[fogged306]

I realize you're a mechanic so I know these are basic questions, but you're also sure you're on the compression stroke when you're finding TDC for cylinder 1 right? When you're doing the timing, are you pulling the spout connector?

[93hatch]

pull pass side valve cover
watch intake valve
when you see it start to open, put a breaker bar on the crank
turn it untill the timing mark is exactly at zero
drop dizzy pointing at the number one cylinder wire, its the 2nd one over going clockwise from the clip on the pass side of the cap. If this isnt how you redropped it, its prob timing

[fogged306]

Originally Posted by 93hatch pull pass side valve cover watch intake valve when you see it start to open, put a breaker bar on the crank turn it untill the timing mark is exactly at zero drop dizzy pointing at the number one cylinder wire, its the 2nd one over going clockwise from the clip on the pass side of the cap. If this isnt how you redropped it, its prob timing

Even easier way to find the compression stroke is to have someone crank the car while you have your finger over the spark plug hole. The compression stroke will blow back on your finger and make an armpit fart noise.

[92 summer edition]

no actually im really not. im more of like a parts replacer mechanic. and suprisingly this is my first time ever having to do the timing with top dead center and everything. and i am a little confused in that aspect. i mean, i stuck a screw driver in the cylender number 1 and i had a breaker bar on the harmonic balancer and i twisted it until the piston came all the way up. is that my compression stoke when its all the way up? or am i 180 off? and if so could you give me a little bit of detail on how to do it better? whenever i did timing i just had to twist the distributer and hook up the timing gun. i never really had t reset the whole distributer to the compression stoke. i made sure the roader and the distributer was pointed at the number 1 spark plug. i made sure all the plugs were on.

[93hatch]

thats the way I do it by myself, and no, it could be 180 out

[93hatch]

first read this so you know whats supposed to point to zero on the balancer, alot of people get it wrong and think to look through the little hole

Checking, Setting and Bumping up your Mustang's Timing

[fogged306]

Either the way 93hatch or I described it are the easier ways to find the compression stroke. If you're getting the rotor pointing at the number 1 spark plug wire then you're doing that part right, but if you're at TDC on the exhaust stroke, your car won't run. Fint the compression stroke and that link hatch posted takes care of the rest of the procedure.

[92 summer edition]

Even easier way to find the compression stroke is to have someone crank the car while you have your finger over the spark plug hole. The compression stroke will blow back on your finger and make an armpit fart noise. ............... this is the way i did it than poped the 2 clips on the cap made sure the rotor lined up with plug won still no start after that i had my friend come over he said i did the timing right is there a way i could of messed up the tfi sensor its brand new its not even a week oldif the sensors bad can i still get spark or no

[92 summer edition]

thank you guys so much for the help i going to keep you guys posted

[fogged306]

If you're getting spark and the spark is blue, then the TFI is probably good. I can't say I've heard of them failing where it sparks at the wrong time, but stranger things have happened. What about the PIP. There's a reluctor wheel in the distributer that is for injector timing. Do the plugs smell like gas? Have you checked the injectors with a noid to see if they're getting signal?

If you've got good compression, fuel in the cylinders and good spark, then it's either injector timing, or ignition timing. If you just messed with the fuel system and then this happened an hour later I would lean towards something in the fuel system. How did you blow out the lines? Are you sure no debris is maybe clogging the injectors?

[92 summer edition]

I was messing with the fuel system. About a week ago it ran since than its when i pulled the distributer when car stopped running i don't know if this is a huge deal but when it wash running and i wash ajusting the distributer and it back fired a little bit of white smoke came out the intake ,

[fogged306]

Kind of tough to make out what you're saying. So you did all that stuff in the first post a week ago and the car ran fine for a week, then it died out of nowhere one day after driving it for an hour, correct?

As long as you have good compression across the board, then the backfire didn't damage anything. If it did, you would have had a cylinder or a few with low or no compression from a bent valve or broken rocker. You were probably too far advanced and a cylinder fired with the intake valve still open. Nothing that's going to cause it to not run.

[92 summer edition]

i just pulled one of the wires off the plugs and cranked it over it was blue but than tryed it again and it changed to orange

[92 summer edition]

no ran fine for about an hour than died out but the second i replaced the tfi sensor it was firing up right away but with the timing off i reset the timing and would not start again

[fogged306]

Did you pull the distributer or loosen the clamp to replace the TFI?