2.4L turbo to 5.0 240sx...got a few questions??

twofortyrida · April 5th, 2011, 02:26 AM

Hi this is my 1st post nice to meet you. Now to business. I am quite familiar with the search function but anything I find relevant is almost 10 years old

. This is just a toy/aka street car. Not looking for a competition car. Now here's my dilemma..I'm in the process of finding a suitable 302 for my 93 240sx. I wanted to just throw a stock 5.0 with a cam mated to a t5 in it. But no. My buddy has me thinking now to rebuild it. The issue is is I have set a $1500 budget because I could rebuild my "4banger" bottom end for 500+whp with that instead. I'd rather not tho I want to try new things. So to rebuild it fresh with rings/bearings/seals is going to be about $900. So what combinations of heads/cams/intake/carb/springs/would you recommend for a 2700lb 4.08 geared 240 and 5-600 left to spend rebuilt? Or don't rebuild it and rely on lady luck but have more for power adders? If you asked me what I would do for an easy 300whp hp on a ka24de I would say, hx35 at 12-16psi(depends on tune), 550cc injectors, romtune, fmic, tial 38mm wg, dsm bov, blablahblah. IDK its 2am and I'm just rambling looking for a little sbf guidance. Flame On idc. Help would be appreciated tho.

p.s. I chose the 302 because A)an absurd amount of after market B)drops right in with explorer mounts and my oe tranny mount C)$$$ they are cheap and everywhere. The only custom items needed are a front sump oil pan cut to fit my xmember and a driveshaft.

Smoothgrandmama · April 5th, 2011, 03:19 AM

Motors gonna be 20 years old..... if you want it to last then a rebuild would be advised.

If you look in the 4v section we have a member who just swapped an integra body on a cobra chasis and engine. Its a nice.read.

gripthenboost · April 5th, 2011, 08:37 AM

welcome and we dont mind helping. I came from imports i had a toyota supra MKI with a 2jz swap and a MkII toyota mr2. I cant help to much with the carburetor side because im a efi and stand alone guy. But since your on a budget build, i recommend probe pistons there cheap and good quality and edelbrock heads. But just my advice any one else.

gripthenboost · April 5th, 2011, 08:41 AM

Found this for you its a good read,

my 240sx ford 302 engine changes (lots of pics) : Hybrids

93hatch · April 5th, 2011, 08:58 AM

you dont rebuild a 302, you get another one out of the junkyard for 400 bucks and slap it in

gripthenboost · April 5th, 2011, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by 93hatch

you dont rebuild a 302, you get another one out of the junkyard for 400 bucks and slap it in

With all his fab work I dot think he's goin to want to take out and put back.

fogged306 · April 5th, 2011, 10:21 AM

Does this 1500 include swap parts? My friend and I did an LSx swap into his 96 240 and not including the engine, you're going to spend a LOT more than $1500. IIRC the swap kit from sikky with the headers was more than 2k alone.

69fastback · April 5th, 2011, 11:45 AM

For that budget, leave it stock and put a 100 shot on it. By far the best thing for your money.

69fastback · April 5th, 2011, 01:29 PM

What's unsafe about nitrous?

NUTCASE · April 5th, 2011, 02:02 PM

first of just saying "nitrouse is dangerouse" is retarted. to broad of a statement. just like anything else the nitrouse is only as dangerouse as the user's skill in installing it/using it.

as for as a 302 block, I would suggest looking for 5.0 HO motors from 86-92 1/2. they came from the factory with forged internals and have been know to take a hella beating. you can tell the forged motor by the titanium or 'grey' colored oil pan. 92 1/2 to 93 and up had hyperpyutectic(sp?) pistons however are still very storg. when I had my 92 with the hyper pistons I may of only had bolt-ons, but I did beat the crap out of that motor and it had 212000miles on it when I sold it still running and not burning oil. (bear in mind I am anal about oil changes)

as far as your 4 banger options I am well aware of how much power they make. but you also have to be aware of the 5.0s torque curve. I have owned both, having a fat torque curve (which is funny cause we call it a curve, optimally you want the torque curve as FLAT as possible) is alot more fun and you can win alot more races when compared to a comparable top end motor of similar power.

as far as getting 500hp out if it which I think you mentioned I would suggest either spray or boost. there are 5.0s out there that can make 500hp N/A but these are not usually street friendly motors. from stock they respond well to bolt ons. the achillies heel in that motor is the head. its not uncommon to get 40-60hp from a head swap and tune once all the supporting parts are in place.

you can save money by going carborated, however I suggest spending the money on modding the HO motors efi setup. if you go the efi route make suer you are pulling parts from a car with mass air. the computers on mass air cars (about 88-93) can take a ton of modding without needing a re-tune(though tuning of course will get you more power). the speed density motors(no mass air sensor) can be modded just the same, but you will just be spending more time and money trying to tune the thing.

always be searching classifieds on here, corral.net, ebay, local swap meets, and other places. used parts, not to mention almost whole 5.0 motors, are always getting baught and sold for far FAR under retail.

btw, do you have any target power levels or target speed goals?

hope some of this helps.

gotn20 · April 5th, 2011, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Peniswatcher

Nitrous is dangerous tho

says penis boy

69fastback · April 5th, 2011, 05:17 PM

That is a sad thing, I'm sorry form your loss, but that's not the nitrous's fault.

69fastback · April 5th, 2011, 05:51 PM

Well, it brings me to another question. Does that mean a turbo would have been more safe?

Originally Posted by Peniswatcher

What if you use the turbo from your car on the big v8

gripthenboost · April 5th, 2011, 07:00 PM

I just have to say i dont feel comfortable talking to someone with the name peniswatcher. Im just saing.. "Cartman voice " dog shit aint right.

YouTube - south park penis video

JBIGBOOTSY · April 5th, 2011, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Peniswatcher

Nos killed him bro but I think he was on crack or maybe meth to so I don't know

What happened when the smack junkie with a lisp screwed up cooking a dose? He made a meth....

gripthenboost · April 5th, 2011, 07:16 PM

But back to business. I think your wasting your time putting a stock motor in the 240.

twofortyrida · April 5th, 2011, 10:32 PM

Wow you domestic guys are very receptive

. We import guys tend to be douches on the forums.. Sorry I may have misdirected you btw. I am not looking for 500hp from the 302 I fear that almighty block crack. At those numbers I would just source a 351w block. I can make more power from my ka with that money but I was just wanting something a little different and more reliable. I think I have decided not to rebuild it until it takes a

. Boost is definitely an option later I just don't know enough about ford tuning products yet. Besides from what I have read these motors are funny about boost if your using the wrong intake, cams, and heads. Boost would be easier as far as tolerences go tho, like I would lower compression by using a thicker headgasket which would inturn allow me to use a more aggressive cam/rocker setup right? Its going to cost next to nothing to have it sitting in my engine bay. I can't weld but my buddy is a pro lol. For about 6-700 I can have it in and running(stock).

FastStang91Lx · April 5th, 2011, 11:19 PM

Get heads and an intake from an explorer 96-2001, but perferably mid 97-01 cuz the the heads flow just a little better. Upgrade the valve springs and run it. Heads from 96 - mid 97 are gt40's and mid 97-01 are gt40p's. Budget friendly. Here's some reading for you http://forums.corral.net/forums/5-0-...ing-gt40p.html

twofortyrida · April 6th, 2011, 12:05 AM

haha looks like I got some reading to do. Yeah I have noticed alot about the explorer heads and intake. I had running a carb in mind for simplicity but I have realized that not only will boost be my money maker later on but the better engines it seems are efi oe anyway. Like I really want a mid 85? to mid 92? mustang 5.0 because its forged and the explorer 5.0 has smaller accessories and better i/h's. IDK I'm going to this junkyard in the am to try to find one. I still could get a running towncar 5.0 with 110k on it for 300 tho. I still have a month before the build starts anyway because I'm waiting on my 2nd car. My "buddy" I keep referring to owns a wrecker service and hes hooking me up with a 01 forester for a grand. But we are waiting on the title.

93hatch · April 6th, 2011, 12:27 AM

ls1 it

April 5th, 2011, 02:26 AM	#1
twofortyrida Newbie Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 reviews	2.4L turbo to 5.0 240sx...got a few questions?? Hi this is my 1st post nice to meet you. Now to business. I am quite familiar with the search function but anything I find relevant is almost 10 years old . This is just a toy/aka street car. Not looking for a competition car. Now here's my dilemma..I'm in the process of finding a suitable 302 for my 93 240sx. I wanted to just throw a stock 5.0 with a cam mated to a t5 in it. But no. My buddy has me thinking now to rebuild it. The issue is is I have set a $1500 budget because I could rebuild my "4banger" bottom end for 500+whp with that instead. I'd rather not tho I want to try new things. So to rebuild it fresh with rings/bearings/seals is going to be about $900. So what combinations of heads/cams/intake/carb/springs/would you recommend for a 2700lb 4.08 geared 240 and 5-600 left to spend rebuilt? Or don't rebuild it and rely on lady luck but have more for power adders? If you asked me what I would do for an easy 300whp hp on a ka24de I would say, hx35 at 12-16psi(depends on tune), 550cc injectors, romtune, fmic, tial 38mm wg, dsm bov, blablahblah. IDK its 2am and I'm just rambling looking for a little sbf guidance. Flame On idc. Help would be appreciated tho. p.s. I chose the 302 because A)an absurd amount of after market B)drops right in with explorer mounts and my oe tranny mount C)$$$ they are cheap and everywhere. The only custom items needed are a front sump oil pan cut to fit my xmember and a driveshaft. Last edited by twofortyrida; April 5th, 2011 at 02:44 AM.

April 5th, 2011, 03:19 AM	#2
Smoothgrandmama Assistant to the Manager 12 GT 8.46@88 1/8 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Willis,Texas Posts: 7,147 iTrader: 6 reviews	Motors gonna be 20 years old..... if you want it to last then a rebuild would be advised. If you look in the 4v section we have a member who just swapped an integra body on a cobra chasis and engine. Its a nice.read. __________________ Join The MM Facebook: Modded Mustangs Facebook Vote For Modded Mustangs Ride of the Month Eskimo Brothers To Smooth: Safi, Blitz34, Graystang01, WillTheThrill, Bwal, 101Fng

April 5th, 2011, 08:37 AM	#3
gripthenboost Hardcore Enthusiast 91 Mustang GT 1991 sliver GT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New York Posts: 1,213 iTrader: 0 reviews	welcome and we dont mind helping. I came from imports i had a toyota supra MKI with a 2jz swap and a MkII toyota mr2. I cant help to much with the carburetor side because im a efi and stand alone guy. But since your on a budget build, i recommend probe pistons there cheap and good quality and edelbrock heads. But just my advice any one else. __________________

April 5th, 2011, 08:41 AM	#4
gripthenboost Hardcore Enthusiast 91 Mustang GT 1991 sliver GT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New York Posts: 1,213 iTrader: 0 reviews	Found this for you its a good read, my 240sx ford 302 engine changes (lots of pics) : Hybrids __________________

April 5th, 2011, 08:58 AM	#5
93hatch Banned 1992 Lx 11.39@119.24 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Az Posts: 11,644 iTrader: 0 reviews	you dont rebuild a 302, you get another one out of the junkyard for 400 bucks and slap it in __________________ [QUOTE=93mustank;2577445]We speed tested my right arm for quickness in shifts... So he could design the cam for proper shift recovery.[/QUOTE]

April 5th, 2011, 10:21 AM	#7
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	Does this 1500 include swap parts? My friend and I did an LSx swap into his 96 240 and not including the engine, you're going to spend a LOT more than $1500. IIRC the swap kit from sikky with the headers was more than 2k alone.

April 5th, 2011, 11:45 AM	#8
69fastback Premium Member 1969 Mustang Mach 1 6.824@101.61 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oklahoma jackass, get to driving Posts: 5,565 iTrader: 0 reviews	For that budget, leave it stock and put a 100 shot on it. By far the best thing for your money. __________________ ./___ _ ____ ___ \. ( ]]] _ _ O _ _ [[[ ) \_ o _ _____ _ o _/ \|___\| ......... \|___\| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyYU3...e_gdata_player

April 5th, 2011, 01:29 PM	#9
69fastback Premium Member 1969 Mustang Mach 1 6.824@101.61 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oklahoma jackass, get to driving Posts: 5,565 iTrader: 0 reviews	What's unsafe about nitrous? __________________ ./___ _ ____ ___ \. ( ]]] _ _ O _ _ [[[ ) \_ o _ _____ _ o _/ \|___\| ......... \|___\| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyYU3...e_gdata_player

April 5th, 2011, 02:02 PM	#10
NUTCASE Regular 2006 mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MD Posts: 211 iTrader: 0 reviews	first of just saying "nitrouse is dangerouse" is retarted. to broad of a statement. just like anything else the nitrouse is only as dangerouse as the user's skill in installing it/using it. as for as a 302 block, I would suggest looking for 5.0 HO motors from 86-92 1/2. they came from the factory with forged internals and have been know to take a hella beating. you can tell the forged motor by the titanium or 'grey' colored oil pan. 92 1/2 to 93 and up had hyperpyutectic(sp?) pistons however are still very storg. when I had my 92 with the hyper pistons I may of only had bolt-ons, but I did beat the crap out of that motor and it had 212000miles on it when I sold it still running and not burning oil. (bear in mind I am anal about oil changes) as far as your 4 banger options I am well aware of how much power they make. but you also have to be aware of the 5.0s torque curve. I have owned both, having a fat torque curve (which is funny cause we call it a curve, optimally you want the torque curve as FLAT as possible) is alot more fun and you can win alot more races when compared to a comparable top end motor of similar power. as far as getting 500hp out if it which I think you mentioned I would suggest either spray or boost. there are 5.0s out there that can make 500hp N/A but these are not usually street friendly motors. from stock they respond well to bolt ons. the achillies heel in that motor is the head. its not uncommon to get 40-60hp from a head swap and tune once all the supporting parts are in place. you can save money by going carborated, however I suggest spending the money on modding the HO motors efi setup. if you go the efi route make suer you are pulling parts from a car with mass air. the computers on mass air cars (about 88-93) can take a ton of modding without needing a re-tune(though tuning of course will get you more power). the speed density motors(no mass air sensor) can be modded just the same, but you will just be spending more time and money trying to tune the thing. always be searching classifieds on here, corral.net, ebay, local swap meets, and other places. used parts, not to mention almost whole 5.0 motors, are always getting baught and sold for far FAR under retail. btw, do you have any target power levels or target speed goals? hope some of this helps. __________________ 2006 Mustang GT. JLT, UDP's, CMDP's, Bamachips 93tune, LCAs, panard bar, spray, assorted madness. 7.79 @ 90.5 in the 1/8 like a BOSS

April 5th, 2011, 05:17 PM	#12
69fastback Premium Member 1969 Mustang Mach 1 6.824@101.61 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oklahoma jackass, get to driving Posts: 5,565 iTrader: 0 reviews	That is a sad thing, I'm sorry form your loss, but that's not the nitrous's fault. __________________ ./___ _ ____ ___ \. ( ]]] _ _ O _ _ [[[ ) \_ o _ _____ _ o _/ \|___\| ......... \|___\| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyYU3...e_gdata_player

April 5th, 2011, 07:16 PM	#16
gripthenboost Hardcore Enthusiast 91 Mustang GT 1991 sliver GT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New York Posts: 1,213 iTrader: 0 reviews	But back to business. I think your wasting your time putting a stock motor in the 240. __________________

April 5th, 2011, 10:32 PM	#17
twofortyrida Newbie Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 reviews	Wow you domestic guys are very receptive. We import guys tend to be douches on the forums.. Sorry I may have misdirected you btw. I am not looking for 500hp from the 302 I fear that almighty block crack. At those numbers I would just source a 351w block. I can make more power from my ka with that money but I was just wanting something a little different and more reliable. I think I have decided not to rebuild it until it takes a . Boost is definitely an option later I just don't know enough about ford tuning products yet. Besides from what I have read these motors are funny about boost if your using the wrong intake, cams, and heads. Boost would be easier as far as tolerences go tho, like I would lower compression by using a thicker headgasket which would inturn allow me to use a more aggressive cam/rocker setup right? Its going to cost next to nothing to have it sitting in my engine bay. I can't weld but my buddy is a pro lol. For about 6-700 I can have it in and running(stock).

April 5th, 2011, 11:19 PM	#18
FastStang91Lx I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Mustang LX 5.0 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 5,572 iTrader: 2 reviews	Get heads and an intake from an explorer 96-2001, but perferably mid 97-01 cuz the the heads flow just a little better. Upgrade the valve springs and run it. Heads from 96 - mid 97 are gt40's and mid 97-01 are gt40p's. Budget friendly. Here's some reading for you http://forums.corral.net/forums/5-0-...ing-gt40p.html __________________ Point made in less than a few hours with minimal response. http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...ml#post4465184

April 6th, 2011, 12:05 AM	#19
twofortyrida Newbie Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 reviews	haha looks like I got some reading to do. Yeah I have noticed alot about the explorer heads and intake. I had running a carb in mind for simplicity but I have realized that not only will boost be my money maker later on but the better engines it seems are efi oe anyway. Like I really want a mid 85? to mid 92? mustang 5.0 because its forged and the explorer 5.0 has smaller accessories and better i/h's. IDK I'm going to this junkyard in the am to try to find one. I still could get a running towncar 5.0 with 110k on it for 300 tho. I still have a month before the build starts anyway because I'm waiting on my 2nd car. My "buddy" I keep referring to owns a wrecker service and hes hooking me up with a 01 forester for a grand. But we are waiting on the title.

April 6th, 2011, 12:27 AM	#20
93hatch Banned 1992 Lx 11.39@119.24 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Az Posts: 11,644 iTrader: 0 reviews	ls1 it __________________ [QUOTE=93mustank;2577445]We speed tested my right arm for quickness in shifts... So he could design the cam for proper shift recovery.[/QUOTE]

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