Installing 93 Cobra drivetrain in 93 Mustang 5.0 Notchback

darknight1969 · April 27th, 2011, 09:29 PM

Hello all,

New to the site but not to Mustangs. I'm on my 2nd one now,my first one was a 1989 Mustang LX Notchback 5.0 5 speed black, my 2nd on is a 1993 Mustang LX 5.0 5 speed Notchback 160k, Black on Black with factory tweed interior(I love Notchbacks). My question is I aquired a 93 Cobra drivetrain and wondering what if and suprises I should be looking for with installation. I also have a boat load of new parts to install, Eibach springs/strut/swaybars, UPR rear upper/lower control arms, front and rear strut/shock tower braces, Super King Cobra Clutch Kit(D&D Motorsports) Maximum motorsports Camber/Caters plate, Flaming River Steering shaft and more on the way... Any advice/help constructive critcism will be helpful thanks everyone...

nolife · April 27th, 2011, 11:05 PM

You will have zero issues with the swap because they are essentially the same drivetrain with only minor differences.

93hatch · April 27th, 2011, 11:13 PM

aka t5z and thats it, disk in the rear too, think thats all

gravedigger472 · April 28th, 2011, 12:53 AM

why go through all that work for an engine which only produces marginally more power? if your gonna go through the work build 'er up or throw in a stroker

just my $.02
post pics whatever you do

EscortSportage · April 28th, 2011, 08:52 AM

i love when i hear ppl (not OP) but ppl in general tell me/say

yea...its got a cobra motor.....im like...ok u had ten HP more when my motor was stock...ill still beat u

like last night at the shop, this guy was telling me i should swap to a cobra motor...im like dude my heads/intake/tb are not stock. i would go down in HP if i did that, and he was looking at me strange...

Ford did a great job in the 90's of tricking ppl into thinking cobra motors are god like

darknight1969 · April 29th, 2011, 03:37 PM

The motor in the car has 160k on, the Cobra only has 60k on it and I truly don't believe a Cobra only has 10 more hp....

JoshC! · April 29th, 2011, 03:45 PM

GT = 205hp

cobra = 235hp

nolife · April 29th, 2011, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by darknight1969

The motor in the car has 160k on, the Cobra only has 60k on it and I truly don't believe a Cobra only has 10 more hp....

160K is nothing, if its not burning oil, knocking, and compression is good, its good to go. The Cobra is more than 10 but its just gt40 heads and intake which you can get from an explorer. The trans is better then a regular T5 as well. still not worth swapping just to swap imho though.

ryanw · April 29th, 2011, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by EscortSportage

i love when i hear ppl (not OP) but ppl in general tell me/say

yea...its got a cobra motor.....im like...ok u had ten HP more when my motor was stock...ill still beat u

like last night at the shop, this guy was telling me i should swap to a cobra motor...im like dude my heads/intake/tb are not stock. i would go down in HP if i did that, and he was looking at me strange...

Ford did a great job in the 90's of tricking ppl into thinking cobra motors are god like

Originally Posted by nolife

160K is nothing, if its not burning oil, knocking, and compression is good, its good to go. The Cobra is more than 10 but its just gt40 heads and intake which you can get from an explorer. The trans is better then a regular T5 as well. still not worth swapping just to swap imho though.

+1

gaducker · April 29th, 2011, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by JoshC

GT = 205hp

cobra = 235hp

87-93 were 225hp

ryanw · April 29th, 2011, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by gaducker

87-93 were 225hp

they changed the method on how they rated HP in 1993

they are rated 225 hp by the old standards but there only 205hp by the new standards......

If you check out the HP rating on a 1993 mustang it states that there 205hp but they were just as powerful as the 87-92 stangs which were 225hp

I hope that clears things up

gotn20 · April 29th, 2011, 07:19 PM

now if it was an 03 cobra motor...

JoshC! · April 29th, 2011, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by gaducker

87-93 were 225hp

google told me 205hp

JoshC! · April 29th, 2011, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by ryanw

they changed the method on how they rated HP in 1993

they are rated 225 hp by the old standards but there only 205hp by the new standards......

If you check out the HP rating on a 1993 mustang it states that there 205hp but they were just as powerful as the 87-92 stangs which were 225hp

I hope that clears things up

ah that makes sense! lol

gotn20 · April 30th, 2011, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by JoshC

ah that makes sense! lol

nice damn avy..

JoshC! · April 30th, 2011, 11:02 AM

snowcraft93 · May 2nd, 2011, 02:14 PM

smaller cam, mass air, and exhasut on 93, thats what i have. got a cobra mass air and catless exhasut and it runs great now

nxcoupe · May 2nd, 2011, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by 93hatch

aka t5z and thats it, disk in the rear too, think thats all

Z trans are 2.95 first gear, never came stock in a mustang or cobra. The cobra's had the pocket bearing on the output shaft and a 3.35 first gear, they were about 20 ft lbs of torque stronger or so.
Guys in Factory Stock were running low mid 11's on stock GT40's and Cobra intakes for years. With the right parts and some tweaking on the combo, could be a lot of fun and pretty quick as well. Pics would be cool.

Cobraman1024 · May 2nd, 2011, 06:20 PM

If I were you I'd do a cam swap and at least have TMoss port the lower half of the Cobra intake. Maybe slap some aluminum heads on there too or at least port the GT40 heads. The '93 Cobra cam is nothing special; its actually a variation of the cam used in the 5.0L Thunderbird if not the exact same cam.

As far as the '93 Cobra motor having 235hp, that's what the motor was rated from the factory. The 94/95 Cobra motors were factory rated at 240hp because they had an electric fan setup instead of the clutch fan. They actually put out more like 270hp so it could be reasonably assumed that the '93 Cobra was slightly less than 270. If I remember right, the 94/95 Cobra has a factory 60mm TB and the '93 Cobra was the only one to come with a factory 65mm TB so you're set as far as throttle body goes.

nolife · May 2nd, 2011, 08:03 PM

Having a Cobra motor sounds cooler than telling everyone you have an Explorer motor with a cam.

April 27th, 2011, 09:29 PM	#1
darknight1969 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 9 iTrader: 0 reviews	Installing 93 Cobra drivetrain in 93 Mustang 5.0 Notchback Hello all, New to the site but not to Mustangs. I'm on my 2nd one now,my first one was a 1989 Mustang LX Notchback 5.0 5 speed black, my 2nd on is a 1993 Mustang LX 5.0 5 speed Notchback 160k, Black on Black with factory tweed interior(I love Notchbacks). My question is I aquired a 93 Cobra drivetrain and wondering what if and suprises I should be looking for with installation. I also have a boat load of new parts to install, Eibach springs/strut/swaybars, UPR rear upper/lower control arms, front and rear strut/shock tower braces, Super King Cobra Clutch Kit(D&D Motorsports) Maximum motorsports Camber/Caters plate, Flaming River Steering shaft and more on the way... Any advice/help constructive critcism will be helpful thanks everyone...

April 27th, 2011, 11:05 PM	#2
nolife MM Fanatic 91GT, 88GT, 02GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,057 Blog Entries: 3 iTrader: 0 reviews	You will have zero issues with the swap because they are essentially the same drivetrain with only minor differences. __________________

April 27th, 2011, 11:13 PM	#3
93hatch Banned 1992 Lx 11.39@119.24 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Az Posts: 11,644 iTrader: 0 reviews	aka t5z and thats it, disk in the rear too, think thats all __________________ [QUOTE=93mustank;2577445]We speed tested my right arm for quickness in shifts... So he could design the cam for proper shift recovery.[/QUOTE]

April 28th, 2011, 12:53 AM	#4
gravedigger472 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 26 iTrader: 0 reviews	why go through all that work for an engine which only produces marginally more power? if your gonna go through the work build 'er up or throw in a stroker just my $.02 post pics whatever you do __________________ '90 LX hatch 5.0, T5, O/R-X, Magnapack Catback, Explorer Intake, 65mm TB, FRPP "B" lowering springs 3.27's cobra wing

April 28th, 2011, 08:52 AM	#5
EscortSportage Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 Mustang GT 5.0 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT Posts: 2,186 iTrader: 0 reviews	i love when i hear ppl (not OP) but ppl in general tell me/say yea...its got a cobra motor.....im like...ok u had ten HP more when my motor was stock...ill still beat u like last night at the shop, this guy was telling me i should swap to a cobra motor...im like dude my heads/intake/tb are not stock. i would go down in HP if i did that, and he was looking at me strange... Ford did a great job in the 90's of tricking ppl into thinking cobra motors are god like __________________ Cage Maximum Motorsports Sparco QH/BE Nitto "a huge bad azz motor is nice untill you have to turn or stop"

April 29th, 2011, 03:37 PM	#6
darknight1969 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 9 iTrader: 0 reviews	The motor in the car has 160k on, the Cobra only has 60k on it and I truly don't believe a Cobra only has 10 more hp....

April 29th, 2011, 03:45 PM	#7
JoshC! I Hate Convertibles... 2000 GT Vert Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Odessa, Texas Posts: 5,511 iTrader: 0 reviews	GT = 205hp cobra = 235hp __________________ Im topless, are you? Topless Mustang Club Founder Black Stang Crew Member #boobs out mods/pics

April 29th, 2011, 07:19 PM	#12
gotn20 Atomized Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,370 iTrader: 0 reviews	now if it was an 03 cobra motor... __________________ spray and pray

April 30th, 2011, 11:02 AM	#16
JoshC! I Hate Convertibles... 2000 GT Vert Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Odessa, Texas Posts: 5,511 iTrader: 0 reviews	__________________ Im topless, are you? Topless Mustang Club Founder Black Stang Crew Member #boobs out mods/pics

May 2nd, 2011, 02:14 PM	#17
snowcraft93 Newbie 1993 Mustang GT Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: syracuse, in Posts: 49 iTrader: 0 reviews	smaller cam, mass air, and exhasut on 93, thats what i have. got a cobra mass air and catless exhasut and it runs great now

May 2nd, 2011, 06:20 PM	#19
Cobraman1024 Enthusiast 1995 SVT Cobra Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Fall River, MA and Juffair, Bahrain Posts: 780 iTrader: 0 reviews	If I were you I'd do a cam swap and at least have TMoss port the lower half of the Cobra intake. Maybe slap some aluminum heads on there too or at least port the GT40 heads. The '93 Cobra cam is nothing special; its actually a variation of the cam used in the 5.0L Thunderbird if not the exact same cam. As far as the '93 Cobra motor having 235hp, that's what the motor was rated from the factory. The 94/95 Cobra motors were factory rated at 240hp because they had an electric fan setup instead of the clutch fan. They actually put out more like 270hp so it could be reasonably assumed that the '93 Cobra was slightly less than 270. If I remember right, the 94/95 Cobra has a factory 60mm TB and the '93 Cobra was the only one to come with a factory 65mm TB so you're set as far as throttle body goes. __________________ 1995 SVT Cobra #182/4005, 275/305, 217k miles 1996 SVT Mystic Cobra #1666/2000, 267/263, 178k miles 1995 Mustang, 3.8L, 233k miles 1993 Mustang LX, 2.3L, T5 convert, 95 GT suspension swap, 03 Cobra steering rack, 250k miles sold: 1987 GT MM Military Crew Member MM+Cleavage member #21

May 2nd, 2011, 08:03 PM	#20
nolife MM Fanatic 91GT, 88GT, 02GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,057 Blog Entries: 3 iTrader: 0 reviews	Having a Cobra motor sounds cooler than telling everyone you have an Explorer motor with a cam. __________________ Last edited by nolife; May 2nd, 2011 at 08:11 PM.

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