[oneslow3000gt]

Hey guys so after about a month of insane overtime I have some money to spend!:

anyway I was wondering what you guys would recommend as a good H/C/I setup for when I eventually buy the ON3 turbo kit. I know i could buy the kit right now but i want to do the build right. I have about 2500 as a budget. I would eventually like to spin all the way up to 7k.

also can the stock bottom end hold that many rev's or will she pop?

thanks guys!

your my heroes!!

-David

edit; yes i know i messed up on the title....

[flattusmaximus78]

Building it right prob wont happen with 2500 bucks.

when you boost, you can go budget. Gt40 iron heads, any cam you want or the stock cam, and any intake manifold other than the stocker or a bbk ssi. Just purchase valve springs that match the cam. No point and spinning a stock block car to 7000 because most likely it wont make power there, and it wont take it with boost.

[oneslow3000gt]

wow so I can't get decent heads and cam's with 2500? i know i could for my vr-4 and parts are a TON more expensive...

I am very aware that 2500 wont get me the whole build. this is just the beginning. one of the many prerequisite's before throwing a turbo on the car if you will. the ON3 system will be the last thing to go on the car.

I make decent money and this is going to turn into another money pit for me i think. stock is way to slowwwww. Like i said I like to build things right the first time and not have to constantly switch setups. i tried that with the 3000gt. Shit got expensive fast!

also what would be a decent cam profile for a turbo system?

[gotn20]

i of all people apreciate doing it right but in the foxbody world things are a little differenty. My buddy has a stock bottom fox with gt 40x heads and a gt40 manifold, stock cam and the basic on 3 kit. His car dyno'd as high as 500 wheel and currently made 473 detuned on high boost. he's pushing the stock block with just those mods. And his cars a monster. If you go boost stock block save your cash for suspension and chasis you'll need it more than you know

[flattusmaximus78]

Originally Posted by oneslow3000gt wow so I can't get decent heads and cam's with 2500? i know i could for my vr-4 and parts are a TON more expensive... I am very aware that 2500 wont get me the whole build. this is just the beginning. one of the many prerequisite's before throwing a turbo on the car if you will. the ON3 system will be the last thing to go on the car. I make decent money and this is going to turn into another money pit for me i think. stock is way to slowwwww. Like i said I like to build things right the first time and not have to constantly switch setups. i tried that with the 3000gt. Shit got expensive fast! also what would be a decent cam profile for a turbo system?

Just depends on ones opinions of good or bad heads and cam. On other hand, anything but stock parts, with a turbo will make over 450 to the wheel.

[horsepowerjunkie]

Check out the Trick Flow (track) top engine kit. This set up is in your price range and should work good for what you want to do.

[nolife]

Like others said, with any heads and the supporting fuel system (255 pump, MAF, and 42 injectors with a tune) and the on3 (or a SC), you can easy make 400-500. You can get a nice set of Trickflow heads and a nice holley intake and cool billet fuel rails, a full MSD ignition setup etc but they are not needed. They wont hurt but you won't need them. If you want reliability and over 500 HP and to spin past 6K.. Different story and it takes more money.

[FastStang91Lx]

If you want a nice H/C/I and a turbo, maybe you should take that 2500 that you have to start your build and go buy a Dart Block. Anything above a gt40 setup and an On3 kit will bust your block unless you keep it really tame.

[oneslow3000gt]

Originally Posted by gotn20 i of all people apreciate doing it right but in the foxbody world things are a little differenty. My buddy has a stock bottom fox with gt 40x heads and a gt40 manifold, stock cam and the basic on 3 kit. His car dyno'd as high as 500 wheel and currently made 473 detuned on high boost. he's pushing the stock block with just those mods. And his cars a monster. If you go boost stock block save your cash for suspension and chasis you'll need it more than you know

wow thats all it takes? I thought it would take a lot more. these motors like boost it seems. no replacement blablabla?

I already installed Tein flex coilover's all around. hence the project no squeak in my sig lol. any thing else I should look into suspension wise?

thanks for all the input guys!

[oneslow3000gt]

Originally Posted by FastStang91Lx If you want a nice H/C/I and a turbo, maybe you should take that 2500 that you have to start your build and go buy a Dart Block. Anything above a gt40 setup and an On3 kit will bust your block unless you keep it really tame.

well thats lame. Im used to being able to push 600 on a stock block. maybe I will keep the boost down till i can build a bottom end or something.

What is the difference between a standard 302 and a dart block?

[FastStang91Lx]

Dart blocks can handle more power than the average person can throw at them.
Dart SHP - 800fwhp
Dart Sportmen - 1200fwhp
Dart IE-2000fwhp
A4-1200fwhp
SVO R302-1500fwhp
Boss 302-1500fwhp

The Dart SHP is known to be higher capable, more in the 1000 flywheel range, and don't know where they got this number for the Boss, cuz I wouldn't push it past 12ish. And the difference is quality of metal and thickness that makes them up. And webbing (gussets).

[oneslow3000gt]

well thanks for the info. looks like I might as well start out just buying a block then trying to push the stocker. that dart SHP looks like what I will most likely need with my power goals.

1600 for a short block. wow. was hoping for a longblock, messing with internals make me nervous.

well this sets me back. not even worth it if im going to blow the stock motor.

guess I need to think about the direction i want to go with the car

thanks again guys!

[fogged306]

That SHP should be good for around 1200hp. You're going to spend more than $1600 for just on an unmachined block if you go with an aftermarket block, unless you find one used. For a dart short with decent internals and machinework, you'll be approaching 4k (or more, depending on the parts you buy) if you buy everything new.

[phares_b]

Here is some info on SHP vs Sportsman

Hardcore 5.0 - The Hardcore Ford Drag Racers Forum - View Single Post - Dart SHP and sportsman block

[horsepowerjunkie]

Like stated above, $1600 is for a bare block that will require machine work. A short block will be around $4000, long block with cam, etc, $6000 range!

Check on Corral.net or NMRA Racing.com, you see alot of aftermarket(Dart, World, Boss, SVO) short blocks for a reasonable price on those sites.

Good Luck.

[flattusmaximus78]

Whats your goal? If you make 460 in one of these cars with the right suspension: Strange coil overs in the front, strange shocks, a 4 cyl spring in the rear, 275 radial, 3.27 gear, a-arms, tub k member blah blah blah you can go low tens on the stock block all day.

460 can be had with a shitty hci with enough boost and not blow up as long as the tune is on point.

[93hatch]

Goals to have my hci on3 kiit car tuned next weekend so we'll see if I get my hungover ass outa bed and put my motor together today

[FastStang91Lx]

Originally Posted by 93hatch Goals to have my hci on3 kiit car tuned next weekend so we'll see if I get my hungover ass outa bed and put my motor together today

Hahahaha... kids now a days. Wait a minute, if I have a hangover it takes me like 2 days to get over it... Live it up while you're young. Two nights of drinking hard is thing of the past for me.

[93hatch]

lulz I just have a lil headache, just sent orders to the gf to go get me chipotle, dunno if you know this but it has magic in it for hangovers

[oneslow3000gt]

450 will get me into the 10's? WOW what would the trap speed be like?

my goal was to squeak into the 10's.

6k for a built block. ouch!

phares_b: thanks for the info. that is a good read!