running so rich it burns ur eyes...

jjpluml · June 1st, 2011, 05:03 PM

Ok so i got the 5.0 na that i have been building together and drove it for the first time today and it is running so rich with the factory injectors that you can barely stand next to it. My list of mods are

msd 6al & coil
holley upper intake and throttle body
cold air intake
long tube bbk headers
gt40p heads
x pipe and flows
trick flow stage 1 cam
new plugs/ wires
flaming river rack
ac and smog delete (obviously)

and suspension blah blah but thats ab it to the engine. Like i said im running the stock fuel rail and injectors, any idea y its running so rich? I normally just go carb on these and havent really messsed with puttin a cam and what not on a fi car.... lemme know if you have any suggestions. Probably asa simple as hookin up a fuel regulator, but i was wondering if there was anything else. thanks

flattusmaximus78 · June 1st, 2011, 05:25 PM

Idk, but take the 6al off. It doesn't need it if the car makes 500 at the tire.

fogged306 · June 1st, 2011, 05:40 PM

If you're still speed density, it's probably the cam.

ryanw · June 1st, 2011, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by fogged306

If you're still speed density, it's probably the cam.

good call.....i didn't see a mass air conversion in his list of mods

302Army187 · June 2nd, 2011, 03:38 AM

shuddup and post SVO pictures NAOW!!!!

(also ditto to what the other's have said)

FastStang91Lx · June 2nd, 2011, 06:26 AM

Leave the ignition box on. It will not hurt anything and isn't your problem. Don't listen to the ignition box haters on here.

flattusmaximus78 · June 2nd, 2011, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by FastStang91Lx

Leave the ignition box on. It will not hurt anything and isn't your problem. Don't listen to the ignition box haters on here.

If he wired it wrong, it could cause trouble.

WHT306 · June 2nd, 2011, 10:48 AM

My car did the same thing and it was the o2 sensors.

jjpluml · June 2nd, 2011, 03:03 PM

it is speed density and there are no o2 sensors... I have wired up a ton of these boxes and never had an issue with them before. Another question... does anyone know the firing order on the trick flow cam? is it the same as a stock 302 or do u wire it up like a 351? cause it has no power and is backfiring really bad. its either that or i have it 180 outta time, and i really dont think thats the issue

jjpluml · June 2nd, 2011, 03:04 PM

and ill try and upload some pics of the svo that i took at the track the other night

jjpluml · June 2nd, 2011, 03:15 PM

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...1307042031.png

jjpluml · June 2nd, 2011, 03:16 PM

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...1307041923.jpg

sk33t3r · June 2nd, 2011, 03:16 PM

No O2's with the stock puter? That could be why its dumping so much fuel, it may think it lean as hell. Did you purchase a 302 cam or a 302 HO cam, the HO's use 351W firing order.

jjpluml · June 2nd, 2011, 03:17 PM

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...1307042139.png

jjpluml · June 2nd, 2011, 03:18 PM

its a 302 HO cam

jjpluml · June 2nd, 2011, 03:20 PM

so i imagine thats my problem right there lol

jjpluml · June 2nd, 2011, 03:24 PM

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...1307042468.jpg

jjpluml · June 2nd, 2011, 03:24 PM

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...1307042285.jpg

sk33t3r · June 2nd, 2011, 03:25 PM

302 (Pre-82) 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
5.0 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
5.0 HO 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
5.0 Truck 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8

sk33t3r · June 2nd, 2011, 03:26 PM

5.0 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
5.0 HO 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8
5.0 Truck 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8
351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8

Firewall
4 8
3 7
2 6
1 5
Front bumper

June 1st, 2011, 05:03 PM	#1
jjpluml Regular 1987 5.0 HO, 1984 SVO Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: arkansas Posts: 87 iTrader: 0 reviews	running so rich it burns ur eyes... Ok so i got the 5.0 na that i have been building together and drove it for the first time today and it is running so rich with the factory injectors that you can barely stand next to it. My list of mods are msd 6al & coil holley upper intake and throttle body cold air intake long tube bbk headers gt40p heads x pipe and flows trick flow stage 1 cam new plugs/ wires flaming river rack ac and smog delete (obviously) and suspension blah blah but thats ab it to the engine. Like i said im running the stock fuel rail and injectors, any idea y its running so rich? I normally just go carb on these and havent really messsed with puttin a cam and what not on a fi car.... lemme know if you have any suggestions. Probably asa simple as hookin up a fuel regulator, but i was wondering if there was anything else. thanks __________________ 92' lx 2.3 bone stock dd trunk car 84 SVO with a few bolt ons 87 gt project with a whole bunch of shit thrown at it and a lil juice...

June 1st, 2011, 05:25 PM	#2
flattusmaximus78 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1993 5.ohhhh 12.97 @140mph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gatorland Posts: 6,122 iTrader: 3 reviews	Idk, but take the 6al off. It doesn't need it if the car makes 500 at the tire. __________________ 02 Pewter z28, hoosiers/lid/exhaust/spray...125mph 1993 gt Sold, already missed --Moates Quarter horse $225-- --Cobra intake $150-- --tremec 3550 bell and shifter $1100--

June 2nd, 2011, 03:38 AM	#5
302Army187 Hardcore Enthusiast '89 LX 'Vert 10's or bust... Literally. Join Date: May 2009 Location: Denver, Co Posts: 2,915 iTrader: 0 reviews	shuddup and post SVO pictures NAOW!!!! (also ditto to what the other's have said) __________________ H/C/I 302 + nitrous for now... supercharger/turbo soon? www.youtube.com/Xarmy187 Please support my YouTube channel! My videos don't disappoint!

June 2nd, 2011, 03:03 PM	#9
jjpluml Regular 1987 5.0 HO, 1984 SVO Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: arkansas Posts: 87 iTrader: 0 reviews	it is speed density and there are no o2 sensors... I have wired up a ton of these boxes and never had an issue with them before. Another question... does anyone know the firing order on the trick flow cam? is it the same as a stock 302 or do u wire it up like a 351? cause it has no power and is backfiring really bad. its either that or i have it 180 outta time, and i really dont think thats the issue __________________ 92' lx 2.3 bone stock dd trunk car 84 SVO with a few bolt ons 87 gt project with a whole bunch of shit thrown at it and a lil juice...

June 2nd, 2011, 03:04 PM	#10
jjpluml Regular 1987 5.0 HO, 1984 SVO Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: arkansas Posts: 87 iTrader: 0 reviews	and ill try and upload some pics of the svo that i took at the track the other night __________________ 92' lx 2.3 bone stock dd trunk car 84 SVO with a few bolt ons 87 gt project with a whole bunch of shit thrown at it and a lil juice...

June 1st, 2011, 05:40 PM	#3
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	If you're still speed density, it's probably the cam.

June 2nd, 2011, 06:26 AM	#6
FastStang91Lx I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Mustang LX 5.0 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 5,572 iTrader: 2 reviews	Leave the ignition box on. It will not hurt anything and isn't your problem. Don't listen to the ignition box haters on here.

June 2nd, 2011, 10:48 AM	#8
WHT306 Newbie 1992 MUSTANG GT N/A Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ALABAMA Posts: 43 iTrader: 0 reviews	My car did the same thing and it was the o2 sensors.

June 2nd, 2011, 03:15 PM	#11
jjpluml Regular 1987 5.0 HO, 1984 SVO Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: arkansas Posts: 87 iTrader: 0 reviews	http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...1307042031.png __________________ 92' lx 2.3 bone stock dd trunk car 84 SVO with a few bolt ons 87 gt project with a whole bunch of shit thrown at it and a lil juice...

June 2nd, 2011, 03:16 PM	#12
jjpluml Regular 1987 5.0 HO, 1984 SVO Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: arkansas Posts: 87 iTrader: 0 reviews	http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...1307041923.jpg __________________ 92' lx 2.3 bone stock dd trunk car 84 SVO with a few bolt ons 87 gt project with a whole bunch of shit thrown at it and a lil juice...

June 2nd, 2011, 03:16 PM	#13
sk33t3r Newbie 1992 Mustang LX Coupe 12.26@126 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Houston/Cypress Texas Posts: 8 iTrader: 0 reviews	No O2's with the stock puter? That could be why its dumping so much fuel, it may think it lean as hell. Did you purchase a 302 cam or a 302 HO cam, the HO's use 351W firing order.

June 2nd, 2011, 03:17 PM	#14
jjpluml Regular 1987 5.0 HO, 1984 SVO Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: arkansas Posts: 87 iTrader: 0 reviews	http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...1307042139.png __________________ 92' lx 2.3 bone stock dd trunk car 84 SVO with a few bolt ons 87 gt project with a whole bunch of shit thrown at it and a lil juice...

June 2nd, 2011, 03:18 PM	#15
jjpluml Regular 1987 5.0 HO, 1984 SVO Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: arkansas Posts: 87 iTrader: 0 reviews	its a 302 HO cam __________________ 92' lx 2.3 bone stock dd trunk car 84 SVO with a few bolt ons 87 gt project with a whole bunch of shit thrown at it and a lil juice...

June 2nd, 2011, 03:20 PM	#16
jjpluml Regular 1987 5.0 HO, 1984 SVO Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: arkansas Posts: 87 iTrader: 0 reviews	so i imagine thats my problem right there lol __________________ 92' lx 2.3 bone stock dd trunk car 84 SVO with a few bolt ons 87 gt project with a whole bunch of shit thrown at it and a lil juice...

June 2nd, 2011, 03:24 PM	#17
jjpluml Regular 1987 5.0 HO, 1984 SVO Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: arkansas Posts: 87 iTrader: 0 reviews	http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...1307042468.jpg __________________ 92' lx 2.3 bone stock dd trunk car 84 SVO with a few bolt ons 87 gt project with a whole bunch of shit thrown at it and a lil juice...

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June 2nd, 2011, 03:25 PM	#19
sk33t3r Newbie 1992 Mustang LX Coupe 12.26@126 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Houston/Cypress Texas Posts: 8 iTrader: 0 reviews	302 (Pre-82) 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 5.0 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 5.0 HO 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 5.0 Truck 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8

June 2nd, 2011, 03:26 PM	#20
sk33t3r Newbie 1992 Mustang LX Coupe 12.26@126 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Houston/Cypress Texas Posts: 8 iTrader: 0 reviews	5.0 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 5.0 HO 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 5.0 Truck 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 351W 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8 Firewall 4 8 3 7 2 6 1 5 Front bumper

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