smog,ac,p/s,removal

black05gt · June 21st, 2011, 02:35 PM

I already have a smog pump removal and I wanted to remove my a/c and power steering can I just remove them and get a shorter belt .
Thanks

79fox · June 21st, 2011, 10:19 PM

are you gonna use the stock steering rack?

PhillyGT · June 21st, 2011, 10:38 PM

Why would you want to? Imo, its not worth the 2-3 hp gain.

SloMo · June 22nd, 2011, 12:10 AM

I thought the water pump had to spin a certain way, clockwise I think. I don't think you'd be able to route a belt to spin the pump that way without having a pulley on the driver side of the motor. I could be wrong though.

black05gt · June 22nd, 2011, 12:54 AM

Yeah if I can use the stock steering rack

1988 convertible · June 22nd, 2011, 02:05 AM

Yes you can as long as you get a P/S relocation bracket otherwise the belt wont clear the water pump pulley. the belt will travel in the same direction as before.

the way i see it is the less crap you have in there the less there is to fix when it goes wrong... also your losing a nice bit of weight and making the engine bay look cleaner...

just be prepapred to make some minor adjustments to the timing at the distributor.

good luck

SloMo · June 22nd, 2011, 11:15 AM

Why adjust the timing? Less drag on the motor so it would idle higher?

black05gt · June 22nd, 2011, 09:34 PM

Thanks 88 convertible where can I buy the bracket? And why would i have to change timing

1988 convertible · June 23rd, 2011, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by SloMo

Why adjust the timing? Less drag on the motor so it would idle higher?

*ding ding ding*

we have a winner

its not noticeable at first but if your climbing up a slope or hill you can hear it firing too late... its only a minor adjustment but it annoyed me when i removed the smog pump... now i've taken out the P/S and A/C im gonna have to do a minor adjustment once the motor is back together...

1988 convertible · June 23rd, 2011, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by black05gt

Thanks 88 convertible where can I buy the bracket? And why would i have to change timing

you should be able to get a bracket from any large motorfactor like latemodelrestoration or summit racing...

this is an example of what your looking for:
1985-93 Mustang 5.0L Ford Racing Air Conditioner (A/C Delete) Eliminator Bracket, M-8511-A50 at LRS - Same Day Shipping!

as i said above only a minor adjustment to your timing to advance but only if you notice it fires late...

ddarkslayer · June 23rd, 2011, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by SloMo

I thought the water pump had to spin a certain way, clockwise I think. I don't think you'd be able to route a belt to spin the pump that way without having a pulley on the driver side of the motor. I could be wrong though.

Its counter clockwise

SloMo · June 23rd, 2011, 08:45 AM

Thank you, like I said I wasn't sure of the rotation.

Dap1991 · June 23rd, 2011, 02:03 PM

i removed my a/c and smog using the a/c delete bracket and if nothing else it makes the engine bay way cleaner

SloMo · June 23rd, 2011, 03:05 PM

I am planning to go to manual steering later on. My car is already a non A/C car from the factory...By all I've seen, I'll have to find an A/C bracket and install that and use an A/C delete pulley to keep the serpentine belt right?

1988 convertible · June 23rd, 2011, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by SloMo

I am planning to go to manual steering later on. My car is already a non A/C car from the factory...By all I've seen, I'll have to find an A/C bracket and install that and use an A/C delete pulley to keep the serpentine belt right?

if you go to march performance they produce a set of brackets that you can use... im doing the same thing changed to a manual rack as well and since i got a new waterpump only last year i dont wanna get a new one...

get an alternator bracket and the a/c delete plate which holds the belt tensioner giving you 4 pulleys in use keeping the stock rotation. crank,water,alt,tensioner

First image at the top of the page:
FORD SMALL BLOCK SERPENTINE BRACKETS

SloMo · June 23rd, 2011, 04:19 PM

By looking at those serpentine systems. They do not have the belt routed correctly. That makes me think the water pump will not operate properly.

1988 convertible · June 23rd, 2011, 04:27 PM

it is the correct rotation just different areas of the pulleys are in contact with the belt.

if it seems confusing draw the location of each pulley on a piece of paper and then draw a line the belt follows around each one...

i would not be modifying my motor to take this set up if i didnt know it worked

have a little faith n trust me

SloMo · June 23rd, 2011, 04:35 PM

Lol, very well.

kmedeiros88 · June 23rd, 2011, 09:18 PM

Yep the waterpump will still go in the right direction.

June 21st, 2011, 02:35 PM	#1
black05gt Regular 94 mustang,88 mustang n/a Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: houston Posts: 134 iTrader: 0 reviews	smog,ac,p/s,removal I already have a smog pump removal and I wanted to remove my a/c and power steering can I just remove them and get a shorter belt . Thanks __________________ 2011 Malibu LTZ (Daily driver) 94 Mustang GT (Weekend toy) 88 Mustang GT (Track car)

June 21st, 2011, 10:19 PM	#2
79fox Regular 1979 5.0 notchback Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: cleveland ohio Posts: 68 iTrader: 0 reviews	are you gonna use the stock steering rack? __________________

June 21st, 2011, 10:38 PM	#3
PhillyGT Enthusiast 2001 Mustang GT 13.8@101.58mph! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Philadelphia PA Posts: 621 iTrader: 0 reviews	Why would you want to? Imo, its not worth the 2-3 hp gain. __________________ Dropped on Eibachs,K&N FIPK,Mac-prochamber o/r,Flowmasters.Short throw,Heavy Right Foot Mod

June 22nd, 2011, 12:10 AM	#4
SloMo Regular 1992 Mustang Lx 5.0 347ci 11.8@115 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mississippi Gulf Coast Posts: 269 iTrader: 0 reviews	I thought the water pump had to spin a certain way, clockwise I think. I don't think you'd be able to route a belt to spin the pump that way without having a pulley on the driver side of the motor. I could be wrong though. __________________ Slow Motion... Quick reving, High compression, Big Boy 347 stroker... STROKER MOTION...

June 22nd, 2011, 12:54 AM	#5
black05gt Regular 94 mustang,88 mustang n/a Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: houston Posts: 134 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yeah if I can use the stock steering rack __________________ 2011 Malibu LTZ (Daily driver) 94 Mustang GT (Weekend toy) 88 Mustang GT (Track car)

June 22nd, 2011, 02:05 AM	#6
1988 convertible Regular 1988 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London Posts: 215 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yes you can as long as you get a P/S relocation bracket otherwise the belt wont clear the water pump pulley. the belt will travel in the same direction as before. the way i see it is the less crap you have in there the less there is to fix when it goes wrong... also your losing a nice bit of weight and making the engine bay look cleaner... just be prepapred to make some minor adjustments to the timing at the distributor. good luck

June 22nd, 2011, 11:15 AM	#7
SloMo Regular 1992 Mustang Lx 5.0 347ci 11.8@115 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mississippi Gulf Coast Posts: 269 iTrader: 0 reviews	Why adjust the timing? Less drag on the motor so it would idle higher? __________________ Slow Motion... Quick reving, High compression, Big Boy 347 stroker... STROKER MOTION...

June 22nd, 2011, 09:34 PM	#8
black05gt Regular 94 mustang,88 mustang n/a Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: houston Posts: 134 iTrader: 0 reviews	Thanks 88 convertible where can I buy the bracket? And why would i have to change timing __________________ 2011 Malibu LTZ (Daily driver) 94 Mustang GT (Weekend toy) 88 Mustang GT (Track car)

June 23rd, 2011, 08:45 AM	#12
SloMo Regular 1992 Mustang Lx 5.0 347ci 11.8@115 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mississippi Gulf Coast Posts: 269 iTrader: 0 reviews	Thank you, like I said I wasn't sure of the rotation. __________________ Slow Motion... Quick reving, High compression, Big Boy 347 stroker... STROKER MOTION...

June 23rd, 2011, 02:03 PM	#13
Dap1991 Hardcore Enthusiast 91 GT 90 LX 5.0 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: youngstown, ohio Posts: 1,025 iTrader: 0 reviews	i removed my a/c and smog using the a/c delete bracket and if nothing else it makes the engine bay way cleaner __________________ 1991 GT- All Stock 1990 LX 5.0- CAI, Shorty headers, flowmaster, Tubular Upper and Lower Control arms, Tokico HP series, Eibach Springs

June 23rd, 2011, 03:05 PM	#14
SloMo Regular 1992 Mustang Lx 5.0 347ci 11.8@115 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mississippi Gulf Coast Posts: 269 iTrader: 0 reviews	I am planning to go to manual steering later on. My car is already a non A/C car from the factory...By all I've seen, I'll have to find an A/C bracket and install that and use an A/C delete pulley to keep the serpentine belt right? __________________ Slow Motion... Quick reving, High compression, Big Boy 347 stroker... STROKER MOTION...

June 23rd, 2011, 04:19 PM	#16
SloMo Regular 1992 Mustang Lx 5.0 347ci 11.8@115 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mississippi Gulf Coast Posts: 269 iTrader: 0 reviews	By looking at those serpentine systems. They do not have the belt routed correctly. That makes me think the water pump will not operate properly. __________________ Slow Motion... Quick reving, High compression, Big Boy 347 stroker... STROKER MOTION...

June 23rd, 2011, 04:27 PM	#17
1988 convertible Regular 1988 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London Posts: 215 iTrader: 0 reviews	it is the correct rotation just different areas of the pulleys are in contact with the belt. if it seems confusing draw the location of each pulley on a piece of paper and then draw a line the belt follows around each one... i would not be modifying my motor to take this set up if i didnt know it worked have a little faith n trust me

June 23rd, 2011, 04:35 PM	#18
SloMo Regular 1992 Mustang Lx 5.0 347ci 11.8@115 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Mississippi Gulf Coast Posts: 269 iTrader: 0 reviews	Lol, very well. __________________ Slow Motion... Quick reving, High compression, Big Boy 347 stroker... STROKER MOTION...

June 23rd, 2011, 09:18 PM	#19
kmedeiros88 Regular 89 Mustang LX Hatch Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Fall River, MA Posts: 324 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yep the waterpump will still go in the right direction. __________________

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