tfs hci now no power

joseph296 · September 10th, 2011, 11:29 AM

i just finished my build and decided to take her around the block and was very disapointed there was no power at all way less then in stock form my build consisted of 170cc track heat heads stage 2 cam track heat intake msd 6al 75mm tb and pro m mass air 24lb injectors and stock bottom end and my timing is 13* advanced any idea where to start?

Mustang Boy · September 10th, 2011, 11:34 AM

Are you sure your cam timing is correct, this is the only thing I can think of at the moment.

joseph296 · September 10th, 2011, 11:45 AM

u mean timing to the crank? or distributor position?

Stevo077 · September 10th, 2011, 12:46 PM

ya, try setting it just by ear, see where it sounds the best, adjust it with it running, tap on the gas a bit and see where you get max power

joseph296 · September 10th, 2011, 02:28 PM

yea im gona try to advance it further hopefully that helps

fogged306 · September 10th, 2011, 02:40 PM

He said cam timing, not ignition timing. Did you degree the cam when you installed it?

joseph296 · September 10th, 2011, 02:43 PM

yea i checked to make sure it was perfect 5 times..... the car idles smooth and drives well just when i try to get on it theres no tourque just a slow climb to 5k rpm

fogged306 · September 10th, 2011, 02:47 PM

Then start with the basics. Check the plugs and see what they look like. Check your cranking compression. Check your fuel pressure. And make sure the balancer hasn't spun and your timing marks are off. Also are you sure you have the timing set to 13*BTDC. I've seen people set their timing to ATDC and not realize it and the car was a dog. If I was to guess, I would say you have something incorrect with your ignition timing if you degreed the cam.

joseph296 · September 10th, 2011, 02:52 PM

that may be it ill have to check that because when i set the timing i had cylinder 1 atdc

fogged306 · September 10th, 2011, 05:30 PM

You set the timing with the car running and a timing light. When you stab the distributor, all you're doing is making sure you're on the correct tooth for where you have your number 1 cylinder on the cap. The initial timing adjustment is done after that. Also you have to remove the SPOUT connector before you set the timing.

96paxtonstang · September 10th, 2011, 09:31 PM

Do you have gears in it? What fuel pump size? I did the same swap but haven't done gears in it yet and it's a dog in any gear after second. My base timing is set at 15 with the spout out it made a huge difference and a tune will help alot.

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joseph296 · September 10th, 2011, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by 96paxtonstang

Do you have gears in it? What fuel pump size? I did the same swap but haven't done gears in it yet and it's a dog in any gear after second. My base timing is set at 15 with the spout out it made a huge difference and a tune will help alot.

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I have 3.73s and a 255lph I just ordered an adjustable fpr and I'm gona start by bumping the timing up to 15 and see if I get anything outa that

96paxtonstang · September 10th, 2011, 10:15 PM

When I did mine I called trick flow they also said that it would need tuned. it is probably running pig rich huh?

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ryanw · September 11th, 2011, 11:42 AM

i did the same thing when i first installed my engine. i set it at 10 advanced and i had no power....set it at 10-14 btdc

joseph296 · September 11th, 2011, 12:08 PM

I just bumped the timing to 18* an wow what a huge difference all is well now

ryanw · September 11th, 2011, 12:13 PM

18 advancer or retarded ?

ryanw · September 11th, 2011, 12:16 PM

Do you still have the stock balancer ? The reason i ask is that it may have spun, meaning that you dont have the accurate reading of your real timming

joseph296 · September 11th, 2011, 12:39 PM

18 advance and yea I still have stock balancer when I reinstalled it it didn't look bad though.

joseph296 · September 11th, 2011, 12:40 PM

Now should next step be a dyno tune? Because guys have been telling me these motors don't benefit much from one is that true?

96paxtonstang · September 11th, 2011, 02:04 PM

IMHO any car can benefit from being tuned but with the changes to your setup you will want to. As it sits right now I guarantee you are running rich and will have very poor fuel economy. Also with the timing advanced that much you might want to consider running higher quality fuel ie 91-93 octane to help prevent the chances of detonation. But the tuner will get you optimal performance. Do you NEED one no but it would benefit you as far as gas mileage and the most power for your setup.

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September 10th, 2011, 11:29 AM	#1
joseph296 Regular 91 5.0 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: staten island new york Posts: 98 iTrader: 0 reviews	tfs hci now no power i just finished my build and decided to take her around the block and was very disapointed there was no power at all way less then in stock form my build consisted of 170cc track heat heads stage 2 cam track heat intake msd 6al 75mm tb and pro m mass air 24lb injectors and stock bottom end and my timing is 13* advanced any idea where to start?

September 10th, 2011, 11:34 AM	#2
Mustang Boy Hardcore Enthusiast 1994 Mustang GT 14.582@92.58MPH Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: tampa florida Posts: 1,729 iTrader: 1 reviews	Are you sure your cam timing is correct, this is the only thing I can think of at the moment. __________________ 315's Crew Black and White Crew Crew Member #2

September 10th, 2011, 12:46 PM	#4
Stevo077 Regular 1990 Mustang GT Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NE Oklahoma Posts: 123 iTrader: 0 reviews	ya, try setting it just by ear, see where it sounds the best, adjust it with it running, tap on the gas a bit and see where you get max power __________________ 1990 Mustang GT

September 10th, 2011, 09:31 PM	#11
96paxtonstang Regular 1992 Mustang GT dont know yet Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Anderson California Posts: 113 iTrader: 0 reviews	Do you have gears in it? What fuel pump size? I did the same swap but haven't done gears in it yet and it's a dog in any gear after second. My base timing is set at 15 with the spout out it made a huge difference and a tune will help alot. Sent from my Autoguide iPhone app __________________ ______________ Mods: Paxton Novi 2000 @10psi 3.73 gears 255lph fuel pump Lucas 42# injectors Trick Flow 75mm upper intake Trick Flow 75mm throttle body Diablo "MAFia" Dyno tuned by Force Fed performance Sacramento Ca

September 10th, 2011, 10:15 PM	#13
96paxtonstang Regular 1992 Mustang GT dont know yet Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Anderson California Posts: 113 iTrader: 0 reviews	When I did mine I called trick flow they also said that it would need tuned. it is probably running pig rich huh? Sent from my Autoguide iPhone app __________________ ______________ Mods: Paxton Novi 2000 @10psi 3.73 gears 255lph fuel pump Lucas 42# injectors Trick Flow 75mm upper intake Trick Flow 75mm throttle body Diablo "MAFia" Dyno tuned by Force Fed performance Sacramento Ca

September 10th, 2011, 11:45 AM	#3
joseph296 Regular 91 5.0 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: staten island new york Posts: 98 iTrader: 0 reviews	u mean timing to the crank? or distributor position?

September 10th, 2011, 02:28 PM	#5
joseph296 Regular 91 5.0 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: staten island new york Posts: 98 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea im gona try to advance it further hopefully that helps

September 10th, 2011, 02:40 PM	#6
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	He said cam timing, not ignition timing. Did you degree the cam when you installed it?

September 10th, 2011, 02:43 PM	#7
joseph296 Regular 91 5.0 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: staten island new york Posts: 98 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea i checked to make sure it was perfect 5 times..... the car idles smooth and drives well just when i try to get on it theres no tourque just a slow climb to 5k rpm

September 10th, 2011, 02:47 PM	#8
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	Then start with the basics. Check the plugs and see what they look like. Check your cranking compression. Check your fuel pressure. And make sure the balancer hasn't spun and your timing marks are off. Also are you sure you have the timing set to 13*BTDC. I've seen people set their timing to ATDC and not realize it and the car was a dog. If I was to guess, I would say you have something incorrect with your ignition timing if you degreed the cam.

September 10th, 2011, 02:52 PM	#9
joseph296 Regular 91 5.0 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: staten island new york Posts: 98 iTrader: 0 reviews	that may be it ill have to check that because when i set the timing i had cylinder 1 atdc

September 10th, 2011, 05:30 PM	#10
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	You set the timing with the car running and a timing light. When you stab the distributor, all you're doing is making sure you're on the correct tooth for where you have your number 1 cylinder on the cap. The initial timing adjustment is done after that. Also you have to remove the SPOUT connector before you set the timing.

September 11th, 2011, 11:42 AM	#14
ryanw I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Ford Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 6,063 iTrader: 0 reviews	i did the same thing when i first installed my engine. i set it at 10 advanced and i had no power....set it at 10-14 btdc __________________ DART 331ci stroker, AFR 185 heads, Trick Flow R intake, Accufab 70mm tb, 75mm pro m Maf, 30lb injectors, jba headers, 2 1/2" x pipe flowmaster super 10 mufflers, 255 fuel pump, 3:27 gears

September 11th, 2011, 12:08 PM	#15
joseph296 Regular 91 5.0 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: staten island new york Posts: 98 iTrader: 0 reviews	I just bumped the timing to 18* an wow what a huge difference all is well now

September 11th, 2011, 12:13 PM	#16
ryanw I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Ford Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 6,063 iTrader: 0 reviews	18 advancer or retarded ? __________________ DART 331ci stroker, AFR 185 heads, Trick Flow R intake, Accufab 70mm tb, 75mm pro m Maf, 30lb injectors, jba headers, 2 1/2" x pipe flowmaster super 10 mufflers, 255 fuel pump, 3:27 gears

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September 11th, 2011, 12:16 PM	#17
ryanw I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Ford Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 6,063 iTrader: 0 reviews	Do you still have the stock balancer ? The reason i ask is that it may have spun, meaning that you dont have the accurate reading of your real timming __________________ DART 331ci stroker, AFR 185 heads, Trick Flow R intake, Accufab 70mm tb, 75mm pro m Maf, 30lb injectors, jba headers, 2 1/2" x pipe flowmaster super 10 mufflers, 255 fuel pump, 3:27 gears

September 11th, 2011, 12:39 PM	#18
joseph296 Regular 91 5.0 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: staten island new york Posts: 98 iTrader: 0 reviews	18 advance and yea I still have stock balancer when I reinstalled it it didn't look bad though.

September 11th, 2011, 12:40 PM	#19
joseph296 Regular 91 5.0 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: staten island new york Posts: 98 iTrader: 0 reviews	Now should next step be a dyno tune? Because guys have been telling me these motors don't benefit much from one is that true?

September 11th, 2011, 02:04 PM	#20
96paxtonstang Regular 1992 Mustang GT dont know yet Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Anderson California Posts: 113 iTrader: 0 reviews	IMHO any car can benefit from being tuned but with the changes to your setup you will want to. As it sits right now I guarantee you are running rich and will have very poor fuel economy. Also with the timing advanced that much you might want to consider running higher quality fuel ie 91-93 octane to help prevent the chances of detonation. But the tuner will get you optimal performance. Do you NEED one no but it would benefit you as far as gas mileage and the most power for your setup. Sent from my Autoguide iPhone app __________________ ______________ Mods: Paxton Novi 2000 @10psi 3.73 gears 255lph fuel pump Lucas 42# injectors Trick Flow 75mm upper intake Trick Flow 75mm throttle body Diablo "MAFia" Dyno tuned by Force Fed performance Sacramento Ca

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