87 Ford 302

SSteady98 · October 5th, 2011, 03:08 AM

So instead of fixing up this motor that is currently in the car, we were thinking of using a 87 302 that my dad had out back. the motor had only 110K in it, and it wasn't run hard. That being said, the motor is out of a truck. I was wondering, though; is this a wise choice?

Also, that noted, I was wondering what maybe 300-400$ worth of budget in parts would be. I am not sure if the heads on this motor I currently have are gt40, but I will be checking sometime soon to see, and if so, it'll save me the time and money for buying a set.

Other than the gt40s, what is another good improvement over stock since the motor will be sitting on a stand for a little while?? cobra upper/lower as well as a cam? stronger springs? just leave your input here and it'll be greatly appreciated.

-I know that there are probably threads over asking "WHAT CAN I DO TO THIS", but I just want the stuff to be here on this page for this specific motor.

Thank you for your input!

fogged306 · October 5th, 2011, 07:59 AM

If it's an 87, the only major differences between that truck motor and a mustang motor will be the intake and the cam (and probably oil pan). Heads (e7) and shortblock will be the same. What you mentioned is a good start with stronger springs on your GT-40 heads and a better intake and cam.

SSteady98 · October 5th, 2011, 12:49 PM

Awesome. Other than that on the heads and springs, what else could I might do while the motors on the stand, given I have 300 more (plus $400) on budget??

ReverendDexter · October 5th, 2011, 12:54 PM

Are you planning on using the motor as is, or using it as a base for a build?

The HO motors (which weren't used in the trucks) have a lot more differences than just the intake and cam. They don't even use the same firing order.

fogged306 · October 5th, 2011, 01:11 PM

Cam is what dictates the firing order. Shortblock and heads are the same.

ReverendDexter · October 5th, 2011, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by fogged306

Cam is what dictates the firing order. Shortblock and heads are the same.

Truck motors were using forged pistons? And double-roller timing chains?

fogged306 · October 5th, 2011, 01:51 PM

Couldn't tell you if the trucks were forged or not or if the timing chains were double. Were they even double rollers from the factory in an HO? Either way, honestly not a concern in the op's case. Forged pistons aren't needed with GT-40 stuff and I would hope that when you're swapping cam's you would replace a 110k timing chain if it hasn't already been replaced at some point. I really don't see how either of these are an issue here.

fogged306 · October 5th, 2011, 02:49 PM

I just remembered that the old truck motors weren't roller cam blocks. So I take back what I said, the shortblock is not the same. The lifter bores are shorter (IIRC) and there's no holes tapped in the block for the holddown spider. So you would have to buy flat tappet lifters and cam with the 351 firing order, or link-bar roller lifters to put a roller cam in. Forgot all about this.

ReverendDexter · October 5th, 2011, 03:18 PM

Ah, okay, cool.

Just wanted to make sure I wasn't mis-remembering things.

SSteady98 · October 5th, 2011, 07:33 PM

Oh god, lol. so would it just be better to check craigs/salvage yards for 5.0s??

horsepowerjunkie · October 5th, 2011, 09:58 PM

Search for a 5.0 out of a ford explorer at your local salvage yard. They can usually be had for $300-$500. They already have either GT40 or GT40P heads, Explorer/GT40 intake, 65mm TB, etc. Just put your Mustang acessories onto the Explorer long block and your set. Or better yet add a mild cam & valve springs for added performance!

SSteady98 · October 5th, 2011, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by horsepowerjunkie

Search for a 5.0 out of a ford explorer at your local salvage yard. They can usually be had for $300-$500. They already have either GT40 or GT40P heads, Explorer/GT40 intake, 65mm TB, etc. Just put your Mustang acessories onto the Explorer long block and your set. Or better yet add a mild cam & valve springs for added performance!

I like this. I will hit them up tomorrow to see if they have anything. Is there any way I could tell that this motor would have these items?? I don't want to be jipped.

horsepowerjunkie · October 6th, 2011, 08:20 AM

The GT 40 will have 3 hash marks on the front of the head, and the GT40p will have 4 marks.
Gt40p pics image by 1strealjeep on Photobucket

The intake will look like this:
http://www.allfordmustangs.com/techa...C-362F_JPG.jpg

October 5th, 2011, 03:08 AM	#1
SSteady98 95ish5.0 1995 GT Slow Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: San Angelo Posts: 490 iTrader: 0 reviews	87 Ford 302 So instead of fixing up this motor that is currently in the car, we were thinking of using a 87 302 that my dad had out back. the motor had only 110K in it, and it wasn't run hard. That being said, the motor is out of a truck. I was wondering, though; is this a wise choice? Also, that noted, I was wondering what maybe 300-400$ worth of budget in parts would be. I am not sure if the heads on this motor I currently have are gt40, but I will be checking sometime soon to see, and if so, it'll save me the time and money for buying a set. Other than the gt40s, what is another good improvement over stock since the motor will be sitting on a stand for a little while?? cobra upper/lower as well as a cam? stronger springs? just leave your input here and it'll be greatly appreciated. -I know that there are probably threads over asking "WHAT CAN I DO TO THIS", but I just want the stuff to be here on this page for this specific motor. Thank you for your input! __________________ 1995 Mustang GT BBK Shorty Headers, H Pipe, CAI, UDP, 255lph Fuel Pump Spec Stage 3 Clutch FR500's all the way around Cobra R Hood Want Gears, Cam, TW Heads, Turbo(Last)

October 5th, 2011, 12:49 PM	#3
SSteady98 95ish5.0 1995 GT Slow Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: San Angelo Posts: 490 iTrader: 0 reviews	Awesome. Other than that on the heads and springs, what else could I might do while the motors on the stand, given I have 300 more (plus $400) on budget?? __________________ 1995 Mustang GT BBK Shorty Headers, H Pipe, CAI, UDP, 255lph Fuel Pump Spec Stage 3 Clutch FR500's all the way around Cobra R Hood Want Gears, Cam, TW Heads, Turbo(Last)

October 5th, 2011, 12:54 PM	#4
ReverendDexter Priest of the Car Gods Clapped-out '90 GT 'vert ~5.5 seconds off TTOD :( Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 13,808 iTrader: 0 reviews	Are you planning on using the motor as is, or using it as a base for a build? The HO motors (which weren't used in the trucks) have a lot more differences than just the intake and cam. They don't even use the same firing order. __________________ O o /¯/______________________ \|BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! \_\

October 5th, 2011, 03:18 PM	#9
ReverendDexter Priest of the Car Gods Clapped-out '90 GT 'vert ~5.5 seconds off TTOD :( Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 13,808 iTrader: 0 reviews	Ah, okay, cool. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't mis-remembering things. __________________ O o /¯/______________________ \|BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! \_\

October 5th, 2011, 07:33 PM	#10
SSteady98 95ish5.0 1995 GT Slow Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: San Angelo Posts: 490 iTrader: 0 reviews	Oh god, lol. so would it just be better to check craigs/salvage yards for 5.0s?? __________________ 1995 Mustang GT BBK Shorty Headers, H Pipe, CAI, UDP, 255lph Fuel Pump Spec Stage 3 Clutch FR500's all the way around Cobra R Hood Want Gears, Cam, TW Heads, Turbo(Last)

October 5th, 2011, 07:59 AM	#2
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	If it's an 87, the only major differences between that truck motor and a mustang motor will be the intake and the cam (and probably oil pan). Heads (e7) and shortblock will be the same. What you mentioned is a good start with stronger springs on your GT-40 heads and a better intake and cam.

October 5th, 2011, 01:11 PM	#5
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	Cam is what dictates the firing order. Shortblock and heads are the same.

October 5th, 2011, 01:51 PM	#7
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	Couldn't tell you if the trucks were forged or not or if the timing chains were double. Were they even double rollers from the factory in an HO? Either way, honestly not a concern in the op's case. Forged pistons aren't needed with GT-40 stuff and I would hope that when you're swapping cam's you would replace a 110k timing chain if it hasn't already been replaced at some point. I really don't see how either of these are an issue here.

October 5th, 2011, 02:49 PM	#8
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	I just remembered that the old truck motors weren't roller cam blocks. So I take back what I said, the shortblock is not the same. The lifter bores are shorter (IIRC) and there's no holes tapped in the block for the holddown spider. So you would have to buy flat tappet lifters and cam with the 351 firing order, or link-bar roller lifters to put a roller cam in. Forgot all about this.

October 5th, 2011, 09:58 PM	#11
horsepowerjunkie Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 Black LX---Turbo Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: just outside Minot, ND Posts: 1,153 iTrader: 0 reviews	Search for a 5.0 out of a ford explorer at your local salvage yard. They can usually be had for $300-$500. They already have either GT40 or GT40P heads, Explorer/GT40 intake, 65mm TB, etc. Just put your Mustang acessories onto the Explorer long block and your set. Or better yet add a mild cam & valve springs for added performance! __________________ 89 LX Black, Boss 331, C4,T76BB, FAST EFI 82 Capri RS,89 5.0 HO,Comp XE266,TW 170,T5,etc. 73 Dart Sport 340, 410ci Bracket Brawler 72 Demon 340 4-speed 1 of 1667 01 Ram Quad Cab 03 Grizzley 660

October 6th, 2011, 08:20 AM	#13
horsepowerjunkie Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 Black LX---Turbo Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: just outside Minot, ND Posts: 1,153 iTrader: 0 reviews	The GT 40 will have 3 hash marks on the front of the head, and the GT40p will have 4 marks. Gt40p pics image by 1strealjeep on Photobucket The intake will look like this: http://www.allfordmustangs.com/techa...C-362F_JPG.jpg __________________ 89 LX Black, Boss 331, C4,T76BB, FAST EFI 82 Capri RS,89 5.0 HO,Comp XE266,TW 170,T5,etc. 73 Dart Sport 340, 410ci Bracket Brawler 72 Demon 340 4-speed 1 of 1667 01 Ram Quad Cab 03 Grizzley 660

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