302 block help

67Sleeper · October 19th, 2011, 03:44 PM

okay i have been trying to find out which mustang forum i liked before i went signing up for things and this looked to be the best choice.

now for my question
Who makes a aftermarket 302 block that will hold for boost apps. i was looking on D.S.S. at their selection, but knew that there had to be someone else who could open my eyes on this topic.

last 302 went down for the count so i figure i should try and get a non stock block this time round

thank you for your time and your help

ryanw · October 19th, 2011, 03:57 PM

Dss does not have an after market block, it's just a stock block that they have machined. Ford has a boss block and dart has a block both a 4 bolt main caps, thicker walled and can Hold a lot of up. I have the dart block. But both have a big price tag of around 1700 dollars. But it's well worth it if you think about the savings should the stock block ever brake and destroy all the internal parts plus cost of labor. Even if you don't produce enough power to justify have that sort of block......... It piece of mind and leaves you a lot of room to grow. It sucks to buy the same parts twice

67Sleeper · October 19th, 2011, 04:07 PM

okay yeah that makes sense. so jegs or summit something like that would be fine for finding those blocks. i was not sure if those where better then stock block and didn't wanna order it and it still not hold. is there any other companies that would have after market block?

ryanw · October 19th, 2011, 04:11 PM

This stupid I phone would not let me' edit my post. What I was saying is the boss and dart blocks will hold a lot of horse power or boost. World products also makes an after market block called "man o war" but with that block you need a 351 distributor , oil. Pan rear main seal . I think, if I'm remembering right. Just go to each one of there web pages and youll see all the details and specs

67Sleeper · October 19th, 2011, 04:18 PM

okay cool thank you

ryanw · October 19th, 2011, 04:25 PM

Summit, jets, e bay, mustang mags Ect.... All good places to find these blocks. Prices will vary by 100-200 dollars depending on the dealer. But take into account that most of these blocks need final machining before you slap your internals in them. So factor that cost into the block. So a good guess would be 2000 dollars for it to be ready to use. If you shop smart and have people who can lend there services for cheap you should be able to lower the cost a little. But regardless it's worth it in my opinion if you have the cash

67Sleeper · October 19th, 2011, 04:39 PM

yeah i finally have some cash to throw around and didn't want things going ugly again, and be right back where i started yet again

69fastback · October 19th, 2011, 04:51 PM

Dart block FTW!

67Sleeper · October 19th, 2011, 05:09 PM

so would you say that the ford racing block would give before the dart would? is it really worth the extra 200 for the dart?

69fastback · October 19th, 2011, 06:16 PM

Yeah. If I were buying, I'd spend the $200 on the Dart, especially if I were going to boost it. They're the bad boys.

horsepowerjunkie · October 19th, 2011, 08:58 PM

The new Boss block will handle 1000+ HP with ease, especially if you get rid of the cheesy grade 8 main bolts, and get some ARP studs, like I did!

(AD Performance is a good place to get blocks)

69fastback · October 19th, 2011, 09:10 PM

So they say, but there are tons of Dart blocks that have been doing it a long time, and they are tried and true.

fogged306 · October 19th, 2011, 09:18 PM

As long as you keep the stroke down on the Boss 302 block you'll be fine. I wouldn't bother with it though because of the short cylinder wall issue. The extra for an SHP is well worth it IMO.

ryanw · October 19th, 2011, 09:25 PM

Sounds like dart wins this one. All I know is the dart block I have looks vary well made. I to would would pick dart out of the 3 I named off.

horsepowerjunkie · October 19th, 2011, 10:56 PM

I know it sounds silly, but Dart only rates the SHP block to 600hp! and is $1699. The Sportsman are like $2200 and the iron Eagle is around $2700!
The only reason I went with the BOSS is because I'm running a 3.25 Stroke and I ended up only paying $1100 for it!

fogged306 · October 20th, 2011, 12:08 AM

Yea that rating on the SHP is pretty funny. Just to cover their ass. I've got one and it's a lot beefier than a 351 block in every way. Seen lots of guys go well over 1000 hp with them. Woody says 1500 is "safe" if I remember right.

ryanw · October 20th, 2011, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by fogged306

Yea that rating on the SHP is pretty funny. Just to cover their ass. I've got one and it's a lot beefier than a 351 block in every way. Seen lots of guys go well over 1000 hp with them. Woody says 1500 is "safe" if I remember right.

Ya I've heard the same thing. I was quoted some where around 1000 h p if I'm remembering right

67Sleeper · October 20th, 2011, 03:58 AM

so it looks like i should just grab that "Dart 31364175" SHP because i couldn't see my self ever wanting anything past 800rwhp, that would not be a starting point haha for sure. then its nice to know i would have room to grow and or for initial safety of knowing it wont crap out on me.

EscortSportage · October 20th, 2011, 06:46 AM

Couldnt u use a bottom end girdle to give u a lil more insurance, and having a perfect balance with feather weight internals....

fogged306 · October 20th, 2011, 06:56 AM

Main girdles do nothing for block strength.

October 19th, 2011, 03:44 PM	#1
67Sleeper Newbie 1967 Mustang 302 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 21 iTrader: 0 reviews	302 block help okay i have been trying to find out which mustang forum i liked before i went signing up for things and this looked to be the best choice. now for my question Who makes a aftermarket 302 block that will hold for boost apps. i was looking on D.S.S. at their selection, but knew that there had to be someone else who could open my eyes on this topic. last 302 went down for the count so i figure i should try and get a non stock block this time round thank you for your time and your help

October 19th, 2011, 03:57 PM	#2
ryanw I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Ford Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 6,063 iTrader: 0 reviews	Dss does not have an after market block, it's just a stock block that they have machined. Ford has a boss block and dart has a block both a 4 bolt main caps, thicker walled and can Hold a lot of up. I have the dart block. But both have a big price tag of around 1700 dollars. But it's well worth it if you think about the savings should the stock block ever brake and destroy all the internal parts plus cost of labor. Even if you don't produce enough power to justify have that sort of block......... It piece of mind and leaves you a lot of room to grow. It sucks to buy the same parts twice __________________ DART 331ci stroker, AFR 185 heads, Trick Flow R intake, Accufab 70mm tb, 75mm pro m Maf, 30lb injectors, jba headers, 2 1/2" x pipe flowmaster super 10 mufflers, 255 fuel pump, 3:27 gears

October 19th, 2011, 04:11 PM	#4
ryanw I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Ford Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 6,063 iTrader: 0 reviews	This stupid I phone would not let me' edit my post. What I was saying is the boss and dart blocks will hold a lot of horse power or boost. World products also makes an after market block called "man o war" but with that block you need a 351 distributor , oil. Pan rear main seal . I think, if I'm remembering right. Just go to each one of there web pages and youll see all the details and specs __________________ DART 331ci stroker, AFR 185 heads, Trick Flow R intake, Accufab 70mm tb, 75mm pro m Maf, 30lb injectors, jba headers, 2 1/2" x pipe flowmaster super 10 mufflers, 255 fuel pump, 3:27 gears

October 19th, 2011, 04:25 PM	#6
ryanw I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Ford Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 6,063 iTrader: 0 reviews	Summit, jets, e bay, mustang mags Ect.... All good places to find these blocks. Prices will vary by 100-200 dollars depending on the dealer. But take into account that most of these blocks need final machining before you slap your internals in them. So factor that cost into the block. So a good guess would be 2000 dollars for it to be ready to use. If you shop smart and have people who can lend there services for cheap you should be able to lower the cost a little. But regardless it's worth it in my opinion if you have the cash __________________ DART 331ci stroker, AFR 185 heads, Trick Flow R intake, Accufab 70mm tb, 75mm pro m Maf, 30lb injectors, jba headers, 2 1/2" x pipe flowmaster super 10 mufflers, 255 fuel pump, 3:27 gears

October 19th, 2011, 04:51 PM	#8
69fastback Premium Member 1969 Mustang Mach 1 6.824@101.61 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oklahoma jackass, get to driving Posts: 5,565 iTrader: 0 reviews	Dart block FTW! __________________ ./___ _ ____ ___ \. ( ]]] _ _ O _ _ [[[ ) \_ o _ _____ _ o _/ \|___\| ......... \|___\| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyYU3...e_gdata_player

October 19th, 2011, 04:07 PM	#3
67Sleeper Newbie 1967 Mustang 302 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 21 iTrader: 0 reviews	okay yeah that makes sense. so jegs or summit something like that would be fine for finding those blocks. i was not sure if those where better then stock block and didn't wanna order it and it still not hold. is there any other companies that would have after market block?

October 19th, 2011, 04:18 PM	#5
67Sleeper Newbie 1967 Mustang 302 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 21 iTrader: 0 reviews	okay cool thank you

October 19th, 2011, 04:39 PM	#7
67Sleeper Newbie 1967 Mustang 302 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 21 iTrader: 0 reviews	yeah i finally have some cash to throw around and didn't want things going ugly again, and be right back where i started yet again

October 19th, 2011, 05:09 PM	#9
67Sleeper Newbie 1967 Mustang 302 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 21 iTrader: 0 reviews	so would you say that the ford racing block would give before the dart would? is it really worth the extra 200 for the dart?

October 19th, 2011, 06:16 PM	#10
69fastback Premium Member 1969 Mustang Mach 1 6.824@101.61 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oklahoma jackass, get to driving Posts: 5,565 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yeah. If I were buying, I'd spend the $200 on the Dart, especially if I were going to boost it. They're the bad boys. __________________ ./___ _ ____ ___ \. ( ]]] _ _ O _ _ [[[ ) \_ o _ _____ _ o _/ \|___\| ......... \|___\| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyYU3...e_gdata_player

October 19th, 2011, 08:58 PM	#11
horsepowerjunkie Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 Black LX---Turbo Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: just outside Minot, ND Posts: 1,153 iTrader: 0 reviews	The new Boss block will handle 1000+ HP with ease, especially if you get rid of the cheesy grade 8 main bolts, and get some ARP studs, like I did!(AD Performance is a good place to get blocks) __________________ 89 LX Black, Boss 331, C4,T76BB, FAST EFI 82 Capri RS,89 5.0 HO,Comp XE266,TW 170,T5,etc. 73 Dart Sport 340, 410ci Bracket Brawler 72 Demon 340 4-speed 1 of 1667 01 Ram Quad Cab 03 Grizzley 660

October 19th, 2011, 09:10 PM	#12
69fastback Premium Member 1969 Mustang Mach 1 6.824@101.61 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Oklahoma jackass, get to driving Posts: 5,565 iTrader: 0 reviews	So they say, but there are tons of Dart blocks that have been doing it a long time, and they are tried and true. __________________ ./___ _ ____ ___ \. ( ]]] _ _ O _ _ [[[ ) \_ o _ _____ _ o _/ \|___\| ......... \|___\| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyYU3...e_gdata_player

October 19th, 2011, 09:18 PM	#13
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	As long as you keep the stroke down on the Boss 302 block you'll be fine. I wouldn't bother with it though because of the short cylinder wall issue. The extra for an SHP is well worth it IMO.

October 19th, 2011, 09:25 PM	#14
ryanw I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Ford Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 6,063 iTrader: 0 reviews	Sounds like dart wins this one. All I know is the dart block I have looks vary well made. I to would would pick dart out of the 3 I named off. __________________ DART 331ci stroker, AFR 185 heads, Trick Flow R intake, Accufab 70mm tb, 75mm pro m Maf, 30lb injectors, jba headers, 2 1/2" x pipe flowmaster super 10 mufflers, 255 fuel pump, 3:27 gears

October 19th, 2011, 10:56 PM	#15
horsepowerjunkie Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 Black LX---Turbo Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: just outside Minot, ND Posts: 1,153 iTrader: 0 reviews	I know it sounds silly, but Dart only rates the SHP block to 600hp! and is $1699. The Sportsman are like $2200 and the iron Eagle is around $2700! The only reason I went with the BOSS is because I'm running a 3.25 Stroke and I ended up only paying $1100 for it! __________________ 89 LX Black, Boss 331, C4,T76BB, FAST EFI 82 Capri RS,89 5.0 HO,Comp XE266,TW 170,T5,etc. 73 Dart Sport 340, 410ci Bracket Brawler 72 Demon 340 4-speed 1 of 1667 01 Ram Quad Cab 03 Grizzley 660

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October 20th, 2011, 12:08 AM	#16
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	Yea that rating on the SHP is pretty funny. Just to cover their ass. I've got one and it's a lot beefier than a 351 block in every way. Seen lots of guys go well over 1000 hp with them. Woody says 1500 is "safe" if I remember right.

October 20th, 2011, 03:58 AM	#18
67Sleeper Newbie 1967 Mustang 302 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 21 iTrader: 0 reviews	so it looks like i should just grab that "Dart 31364175" SHP because i couldn't see my self ever wanting anything past 800rwhp, that would not be a starting point haha for sure. then its nice to know i would have room to grow and or for initial safety of knowing it wont crap out on me.

October 20th, 2011, 06:46 AM	#19
EscortSportage Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 Mustang GT 5.0 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT Posts: 2,186 iTrader: 0 reviews	Couldnt u use a bottom end girdle to give u a lil more insurance, and having a perfect balance with feather weight internals.... __________________ Cage Maximum Motorsports Sparco QH/BE Nitto "a huge bad azz motor is nice untill you have to turn or stop"

October 20th, 2011, 06:56 AM	#20
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	Main girdles do nothing for block strength.

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