Noob question!!!

ghostrider05 · January 14th, 2012, 02:43 PM

Ok, so this is my first time getting this deep into a motor. I was able to get the TFS stage 1 cam installed last night, but noticed today, that it didn't have the dowel pin. What is this dowel pin for, and is it necessary to install? If it's necessary, can I just pull and use the pin out of my old cam? The cam was bought off ebay last year, and it didn't come with a dowel pin. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

fogged306 · January 14th, 2012, 02:47 PM

Yes it's necessary, it keeps the cam lined up with the timing gear. Can't help you with that last question because I've never had a cam with no pin. I do know they're pressed in though.

ghostrider05 · January 14th, 2012, 03:04 PM

Shit.....sounds like I'm probably dead in the water then. Is this something that can be pressed in by a machine shop? Is that my only option besides a new cam?

fogged306 · January 14th, 2012, 04:02 PM

It may be as easy as pulling the old one with a pair of vice grips and pushing it in to the new cam, I can't tell you for sure. Maybe someone else can let you know the proper procedure. I know if it was my car I would try vice grips and see how easily it came out of the old cam and how well it seated in the new one. The dowel should be hardened so marring it with vice grips might be a little tough to do.. Just my .02, but don't take it as sound advice because it's only opinion.

ghostrider05 · January 14th, 2012, 04:11 PM

Thanks Fogged. The directions I'm following from http://www.allfordmustangs.com/techa...intakeswap.pdf
say to do the same thing. I'm gonna go soak it down with penetrant and see if I can get it out of the old cam. Worst case I suppose I could just use the stock cam. :-( Hopefully its not a sign of worse things to come.

ghostrider05 · January 14th, 2012, 05:10 PM

UPDATE! I was able to get the dowel pin pulled from the old cam after all. I'm going to install it into the TFS 1 cam. Hope this works ok!

ALEXLOPEZ62188 · January 14th, 2012, 05:16 PM

It should work fine. You'd be surprised how often machine shops si this when they buy generic new cams with missing dowels.

fogged306 · January 14th, 2012, 05:28 PM

I would use some loctite on the end you put into the cam just as a precaution. I know you do this with flywheel dowels so it's probably not a bad idea here. Just make sure it's completely dry before buttoning everything up as you don't want any loctite getting circulated in your oil.

Bubba95SN · January 14th, 2012, 07:27 PM

Do use bearing-stud mount on dowel pin. Use thread locker on cam sprocket bolt.

ryanw · January 15th, 2012, 01:45 PM

Make sure the hole in the cam is clean and free of dirt, the the dowl pin will seat all the way. It also try freezing the dowl pin, the should shrink the pin by a few thousanths,

January 14th, 2012, 02:43 PM	#1
ghostrider05 Regular 1989 GT 'vert Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Navarre FL Posts: 164 iTrader: 0 reviews	Noob question!!! Ok, so this is my first time getting this deep into a motor. I was able to get the TFS stage 1 cam installed last night, but noticed today, that it didn't have the dowel pin. What is this dowel pin for, and is it necessary to install? If it's necessary, can I just pull and use the pin out of my old cam? The cam was bought off ebay last year, and it didn't come with a dowel pin. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

January 14th, 2012, 05:16 PM	#7
ALEXLOPEZ62188 Mustang Fanatic 1989 Mustang LX Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Apple Valley, CA Posts: 409 iTrader: 0 reviews	It should work fine. You'd be surprised how often machine shops si this when they buy generic new cams with missing dowels. __________________ 89 Mustang LX: 347 AFR Comp Cam TFS Track Heat 359rwhp 395rwtq

January 15th, 2012, 01:45 PM	#10
ryanw I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1991 Ford Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 6,063 iTrader: 0 reviews	Make sure the hole in the cam is clean and free of dirt, the the dowl pin will seat all the way. It also try freezing the dowl pin, the should shrink the pin by a few thousanths, __________________ DART 331ci stroker, AFR 185 heads, Trick Flow R intake, Accufab 70mm tb, 75mm pro m Maf, 30lb injectors, jba headers, 2 1/2" x pipe flowmaster super 10 mufflers, 255 fuel pump, 3:27 gears

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January 14th, 2012, 02:47 PM	#2
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	Yes it's necessary, it keeps the cam lined up with the timing gear. Can't help you with that last question because I've never had a cam with no pin. I do know they're pressed in though.

January 14th, 2012, 03:04 PM	#3
ghostrider05 Regular 1989 GT 'vert Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Navarre FL Posts: 164 iTrader: 0 reviews	Shit.....sounds like I'm probably dead in the water then. Is this something that can be pressed in by a machine shop? Is that my only option besides a new cam?

January 14th, 2012, 04:02 PM	#4
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	It may be as easy as pulling the old one with a pair of vice grips and pushing it in to the new cam, I can't tell you for sure. Maybe someone else can let you know the proper procedure. I know if it was my car I would try vice grips and see how easily it came out of the old cam and how well it seated in the new one. The dowel should be hardened so marring it with vice grips might be a little tough to do.. Just my .02, but don't take it as sound advice because it's only opinion.

January 14th, 2012, 04:11 PM	#5
ghostrider05 Regular 1989 GT 'vert Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Navarre FL Posts: 164 iTrader: 0 reviews	Thanks Fogged. The directions I'm following from http://www.allfordmustangs.com/techa...intakeswap.pdf say to do the same thing. I'm gonna go soak it down with penetrant and see if I can get it out of the old cam. Worst case I suppose I could just use the stock cam. :-( Hopefully its not a sign of worse things to come.

January 14th, 2012, 05:10 PM	#6
ghostrider05 Regular 1989 GT 'vert Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Navarre FL Posts: 164 iTrader: 0 reviews	UPDATE! I was able to get the dowel pin pulled from the old cam after all. I'm going to install it into the TFS 1 cam. Hope this works ok!

January 14th, 2012, 05:28 PM	#8
fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	I would use some loctite on the end you put into the cam just as a precaution. I know you do this with flywheel dowels so it's probably not a bad idea here. Just make sure it's completely dry before buttoning everything up as you don't want any loctite getting circulated in your oil.

January 14th, 2012, 07:27 PM	#9
Bubba95SN Regular 1995 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Jacksonville NC Posts: 211 iTrader: 0 reviews	Do use bearing-stud mount on dowel pin. Use thread locker on cam sprocket bolt.

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