Mass Air, which one to go with?

8A_Honda · July 4th, 2007, 11:47 PM

I've been looking and trying to decide which one I need to buy. Converting from speed density and trying to prep the car for turbo. I've seen the Lightning's, C&L, Pro-M, etc. Not sure of other brands.

I'll be using a T-67 turbo and probably 42lb injectors, and will eventually be running a 351 motor. Wanna get the right meter and do it once. Not buy one and upgrade again later. Insight appreciated. Thanks.

Scott

tording92lxnotch · July 5th, 2007, 04:56 AM

I would for sure stay away from C & L. Some people get lucky but it seems for the most part they are very difficult to tune. Pro-M is actually no longer in buisness. They are now Professional mass air systems (PMAS). I have heard that their meters are very good and accurate. I would probably give them a call and tell them your seutp and see what they think. They will be able to help you out.

Racinjason81 · July 5th, 2007, 12:17 PM

what type of setup are you gonna use blowthru or drawthru MAF?if you wanna use a blowthru use a Pro m Univer meter.I have a C&L 76mm on my (NA)car and never had a problem ,I am also doing a turbo setup on my car and with a C&L all you need to do is change calibration tubes when you change injectors instead of sending your meter back to PMAS to get recalibrated for different injectors.Go checkout turbomustangs.com and see what they say. They know their stuff about turbo.

JBIGBOOTSY · July 6th, 2007, 12:41 PM

C&Ls have a bad rep because people buy 76mm or 80mm and put them on a stock engine. you want to keep your engines CFM, and your MAFs CFM fairly close. there are 4 main factors in a working MAF meter. sample tube size, meter size, sensor calibration, and maf transfer funcrtion table in the eeciv. the most accurate meters are the ones that are flow tested, and imputting that info into the table in the eeciv, with some sort of engine management, PMS, tweecer, exct...

fogged306 · July 6th, 2007, 03:19 PM

I've heard that C&L's aren't very accurate when it comes to tuning the car with a computer.. some work well but a lot of them give sporadic readings making it tough to tune the car. I've heard nothing but good about the PMAS though.

This info isn't personal experience its just what I've heard tuners say ALOT... most of these are TwEECer tuners though...

July 4th, 2007, 11:47 PM	#1
8A_Honda Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 313 iTrader: 0 reviews	Mass Air, which one to go with? I've been looking and trying to decide which one I need to buy. Converting from speed density and trying to prep the car for turbo. I've seen the Lightning's, C&L, Pro-M, etc. Not sure of other brands. I'll be using a T-67 turbo and probably 42lb injectors, and will eventually be running a 351 motor. Wanna get the right meter and do it once. Not buy one and upgrade again later. Insight appreciated. Thanks. Scott

July 5th, 2007, 04:56 AM	#2
tording92lxnotch Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 165 iTrader: 0 reviews	I would for sure stay away from C & L. Some people get lucky but it seems for the most part they are very difficult to tune. Pro-M is actually no longer in buisness. They are now Professional mass air systems (PMAS). I have heard that their meters are very good and accurate. I would probably give them a call and tell them your seutp and see what they think. They will be able to help you out. __________________ 92 notch--Shorty headers--Pro 5.0--3G alt--U/D pullies--A/C delete--190 LPH Walbro FP--Compucar N2O kit--FMS alum D/S--Taurus fan--Weld Draglites--Mallory 685 ign Box--dccontrol fan controller 13.0 - 108 mph - 1.9 60' - 90 shot N2O and 175k on the clock

July 5th, 2007, 12:17 PM	#3
Racinjason81 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New jersey Posts: 1,559 iTrader: 0 reviews	what type of setup are you gonna use blowthru or drawthru MAF?if you wanna use a blowthru use a Pro m Univer meter.I have a C&L 76mm on my (NA)car and never had a problem ,I am also doing a turbo setup on my car and with a C&L all you need to do is change calibration tubes when you change injectors instead of sending your meter back to PMAS to get recalibrated for different injectors.Go checkout turbomustangs.com and see what they say. They know their stuff about turbo. __________________ Heres a real funny video youtube.com/watch?v=ojB7KkaR03I VTEC stands for Very Torqueless Economy Car Honda stands for Hold On Not Done Accelerating 1991 LX 5.0 H/B(T-70 turbo coming soon)

July 6th, 2007, 12:41 PM	#4
JBIGBOOTSY MM Fanatic 1990 LX hatch Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hobart Indiana Posts: 4,391 iTrader: 0 reviews	C&Ls have a bad rep because people buy 76mm or 80mm and put them on a stock engine. you want to keep your engines CFM, and your MAFs CFM fairly close. there are 4 main factors in a working MAF meter. sample tube size, meter size, sensor calibration, and maf transfer funcrtion table in the eeciv. the most accurate meters are the ones that are flow tested, and imputting that info into the table in the eeciv, with some sort of engine management, PMS, tweecer, exct... __________________ Bolt-on Abraham Lincoln Log motor. With extra wiring.

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fogged306 MM Fanatic 89 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,875 iTrader: 2 reviews	I've heard that C&L's aren't very accurate when it comes to tuning the car with a computer.. some work well but a lot of them give sporadic readings making it tough to tune the car. I've heard nothing but good about the PMAS though. This info isn't personal experience its just what I've heard tuners say ALOT... most of these are TwEECer tuners though...

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