Getting no oil to the head

noyz25 · July 13th, 2007, 11:47 PM

I just bought it and the gentleman i bought from said i only need to change the oil pump shaft. He says thats the problem it had before and that fixed it.

Does that sound right? i mean i trust the guy but i'm looking for a second opnion.

i plan to change the the shaft and the oil pump since i'm gonna be in there i guess.

woody1 · July 13th, 2007, 11:53 PM

It had before? The pump shafts do twist like a pretzel, but twice? Hmm

tording92lxnotch · July 14th, 2007, 03:16 AM

Does it have oil pressure? If the oil pump driveshaft is broke then you won't have any oil pressure at all. If its just an issue getting oil to a head but your oil pressure is fine then you have something else going on.

noyz25 · July 14th, 2007, 05:45 AM

Originally Posted by tording92lxnotch

Does it have oil pressure? If the oil pump driveshaft is broke then you won't have any oil pressure at all. If its just an issue getting oil to a head but your oil pressure is fine then you have something else going on.

non no oil pressure

neverfastenough1 · July 14th, 2007, 09:30 AM

Pull your shaft and check it out.

Get your head out of the gutter I am talking about the oil pump drive shaft.

noyz25 · July 14th, 2007, 09:59 AM

I was told all i have to do is raise the engine and take the oil pan down. Question though. Do i have to take the tranny mount off? or is it just unbolt the motor mount and raise the engine with a cherry picker? Would it be possible to raise the engine with a floor jack?

i hate asking so many question cuz it makes me feel like such a newbie but i guessa i am. i was a sports compact addict till now. turning into a muscle head now lol

Thankx for the help ya'll.

neverfastenough1 · July 14th, 2007, 10:29 AM

Well I was thinking you could pull it out with a magnet thru the dizzy hole, but apparently not form what I can find. If you have a cherry picker I would use that. As far as the tranny mount, it should pivot on it a bit to give you enough room, but maybe someone else can say if it will be enough.

Racinjason81 · July 14th, 2007, 01:20 PM

buy a heavy duty oil pump DS like from ARP they are under 20 bucks and you shouldnt twist it.check summitracing.com. you will definitely gotta raise the engine and drop the oil pump to do it since the stock shafts come with internal tooth washer type thing that centers it so you cant remove it by taking the dist. out. the heavy duty shafts dont need them

woody1 · July 14th, 2007, 01:27 PM

The washer on the pump shaft is used for one reason only, so if you take the distributor out, the shaft doesnt pull out of the pump and fall into the oil pan. I highly recommend you use the washer, nothing to do with centering the shaft.
http://fordstrokers.com/289-302-bill...afts-p106.html
These come with the washer on them already, and yes you need to drop the oil pan and pump to replace the shaft.

Black Five 0h · July 14th, 2007, 01:36 PM

i would get a new oil pump, rather than messing around looking at the shaft.

Black Five 0h · July 14th, 2007, 01:37 PM

i would get a new oil pump, rather than messing around looking at the shaft.

tording92lxnotch · July 15th, 2007, 03:42 AM

Yes you can use a jack too. Put a block of wood on the front sump of the oil pan and jack away. Just be careful not to go too high and pinch something up top.

noyz25 · July 15th, 2007, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by tording92lxnotch

Yes you can use a jack too. Put a block of wood on the front sump of the oil pan and jack away. Just be careful not to go too high and pinch something up top.

How does that work if i gotta take the oil pan off?

I was told to put block of wood on the harmonic balancer and jack it from there. Is that safe?

shnipplelicken · July 16th, 2007, 05:29 PM

one thing I found interesting when I replaced an oil pickup on my 302, was a crack where the pickup tube gets bolted to the pump. I guess the muscle head before me thought the bolts werent tight enough. I can imagine a large enough crack would allow air to just get sucked into the system and would explain the loss of pressure. Check for cracks or effed up gaskets.

noyz25 · July 16th, 2007, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by shnipplelicken

one thing I found interesting when I replaced an oil pickup on my 302, was a crack where the pickup tube gets bolted to the pump. I guess the muscle head before me thought the bolts werent tight enough. I can imagine a large enough crack would allow air to just get sucked into the system and would explain the loss of pressure. Check for cracks or effed up gaskets.

well i got a new pump, shaft, and gaskets its just that i dont have cherry picker. Thats why i aint changed it yet.

July 13th, 2007, 11:47 PM	#1
noyz25 Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 213 iTrader: 0 reviews	Getting no oil to the head I just bought it and the gentleman i bought from said i only need to change the oil pump shaft. He says thats the problem it had before and that fixed it. Does that sound right? i mean i trust the guy but i'm looking for a second opnion. i plan to change the the shaft and the oil pump since i'm gonna be in there i guess.

July 14th, 2007, 03:16 AM	#3
tording92lxnotch Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 165 iTrader: 0 reviews	Does it have oil pressure? If the oil pump driveshaft is broke then you won't have any oil pressure at all. If its just an issue getting oil to a head but your oil pressure is fine then you have something else going on. __________________ 92 notch--Shorty headers--Pro 5.0--3G alt--U/D pullies--A/C delete--190 LPH Walbro FP--Compucar N2O kit--FMS alum D/S--Taurus fan--Weld Draglites--Mallory 685 ign Box--dccontrol fan controller 13.0 - 108 mph - 1.9 60' - 90 shot N2O and 175k on the clock

July 14th, 2007, 09:30 AM	#5
neverfastenough1 Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: Savannah, Ga Posts: 2,789 iTrader: 3 reviews	Pull your shaft and check it out. Get your head out of the gutter I am talking about the oil pump drive shaft. __________________

July 14th, 2007, 10:29 AM	#7
neverfastenough1 Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: Savannah, Ga Posts: 2,789 iTrader: 3 reviews	Well I was thinking you could pull it out with a magnet thru the dizzy hole, but apparently not form what I can find. If you have a cherry picker I would use that. As far as the tranny mount, it should pivot on it a bit to give you enough room, but maybe someone else can say if it will be enough. __________________

July 14th, 2007, 01:20 PM	#8
Racinjason81 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New jersey Posts: 1,559 iTrader: 0 reviews	buy a heavy duty oil pump DS like from ARP they are under 20 bucks and you shouldnt twist it.check summitracing.com. you will definitely gotta raise the engine and drop the oil pump to do it since the stock shafts come with internal tooth washer type thing that centers it so you cant remove it by taking the dist. out. the heavy duty shafts dont need them __________________ Heres a real funny video youtube.com/watch?v=ojB7KkaR03I VTEC stands for Very Torqueless Economy Car Honda stands for Hold On Not Done Accelerating 1991 LX 5.0 H/B(T-70 turbo coming soon)

July 13th, 2007, 11:53 PM	#2
woody1 Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 559 iTrader: 0 reviews	It had before? The pump shafts do twist like a pretzel, but twice? Hmm

July 14th, 2007, 09:59 AM	#6
noyz25 Regular Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 213 iTrader: 0 reviews	I was told all i have to do is raise the engine and take the oil pan down. Question though. Do i have to take the tranny mount off? or is it just unbolt the motor mount and raise the engine with a cherry picker? Would it be possible to raise the engine with a floor jack? i hate asking so many question cuz it makes me feel like such a newbie but i guessa i am. i was a sports compact addict till now. turning into a muscle head now lol Thankx for the help ya'll.

July 14th, 2007, 01:27 PM	#9
woody1 Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 559 iTrader: 0 reviews	The washer on the pump shaft is used for one reason only, so if you take the distributor out, the shaft doesnt pull out of the pump and fall into the oil pan. I highly recommend you use the washer, nothing to do with centering the shaft. http://fordstrokers.com/289-302-bill...afts-p106.html These come with the washer on them already, and yes you need to drop the oil pan and pump to replace the shaft.

July 14th, 2007, 01:36 PM	#10
Black Five 0h Enthusiast 02 Mustang GT Cant wait to find out Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 567 iTrader: 1 reviews	i would get a new oil pump, rather than messing around looking at the shaft.

July 14th, 2007, 01:37 PM	#11
Black Five 0h Enthusiast 02 Mustang GT Cant wait to find out Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 567 iTrader: 1 reviews	i would get a new oil pump, rather than messing around looking at the shaft.

July 15th, 2007, 03:42 AM	#12
tording92lxnotch Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 165 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yes you can use a jack too. Put a block of wood on the front sump of the oil pan and jack away. Just be careful not to go too high and pinch something up top. __________________ 92 notch--Shorty headers--Pro 5.0--3G alt--U/D pullies--A/C delete--190 LPH Walbro FP--Compucar N2O kit--FMS alum D/S--Taurus fan--Weld Draglites--Mallory 685 ign Box--dccontrol fan controller 13.0 - 108 mph - 1.9 60' - 90 shot N2O and 175k on the clock

July 16th, 2007, 05:29 PM	#14
shnipplelicken Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hollywood, MD Posts: 4 iTrader: 0 reviews	one thing I found interesting when I replaced an oil pickup on my 302, was a crack where the pickup tube gets bolted to the pump. I guess the muscle head before me thought the bolts werent tight enough. I can imagine a large enough crack would allow air to just get sucked into the system and would explain the loss of pressure. Check for cracks or effed up gaskets.

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