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Old October 3rd, 2007, 12:17 PM   #1
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93 Cobra and R model...


Just a question. Not sure if anyone knows. If a Notch back Fox will outperform all others GT or LX hatch style Mustang due to the weight differences. Then why did Ford choose to use a Hatch car for the Cobra and R model. Wouldnt you think it would be a smarter choice to use the Notch version of the car to save even more weight.
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Old October 3rd, 2007, 12:36 PM   #2
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im guessing better airflow

aerodynamics
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better aerodynamics like my stangopens said.well the R is gutted anyway
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Originally Posted by Racinjason81
better aerodynamics like my stangopens said.well the R is gutted anyway
hows it gutted?
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There isnt much of a difference stock for stock weight a few humdred pounds. That beign said the race between LX notch 5-speed and an LX hatch 5 speed would come down to driver there isnt enough weight difference stock for stock to be noticable but like darrell said the reason people chose nothces for there drag cars s because of not there difference in weight they are a better desinged chassis for racing.


I would say the reson Ford chose the hatch for the cobra is because the Hatch is better looking for clean lines a know.
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I would say the reson Ford chose the hatch for the cobra is because the Hatch is better looking for clean lines a know.
I would not go as far as saying that, Me personally and a lot of others think that the coupes look better and have cleaner lines. That is why I waded through the hatch's, and located me a ssp notch.
 
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How is the chassis diff. on a notch ? I like both. Soi couldnt say if i liked one more or then the other
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They arent much different I am just saying what Darrell said thats all he said the nothces are better for racing because of there design ask him for more details he knows alot more about them than me
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if i could get my hands on a notch i would sell my GT for it so the last year of the hatch is 93? why dont they make hatches ne more?
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I had a chance to get either a 93 Notch and a 93 Hatch. I picked up the hatch. bot had simular miles, but the notch already had a e cam, trickflow upper and lower and 5 lug swap and Mach1 wheels. But floors were weak and interior sucked. So i bought the Hatch. I love the ponys too.
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its simply because notches look lame and hatches are just outright sexier
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Originally Posted by Casper98GT
How is the chassis diff. on a notch ? I like both. Soi couldnt say if i liked one more or then the other
It is the shape of the overall chassis that makes the difference.

The box style close to the back window would provide more support from twisting then the angled design of the hatch I guess. It splits the height in half and cuts the distance between the front and back "open area" of the hatchback. I assume you could probably achieve the same level of rigidness on a hatch with a rear shock support with some type of tie in to the quarter panel though as that would mimic the notchback rear deck. I think the hatchback would crumple less on a rear end collision though because those long angles would be an advantage. Who knows.
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Good enough.
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Originally Posted by superman5.0
its simply because notches look lame and hatches are just outright sexier
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How true how true
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Old October 7th, 2007, 10:22 AM   #15
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im 100% sure that hatches have better aerodynamics than a notch, but im not too sure why notches are stiffer than hatches

prolly just the design of the hatch area that makes it less stiff, maybe cuz in a notch the trunk has solid metal going across

also, maybe the hatch has a better weight transfer
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Originally Posted by My'StangOpens
im 100% sure that hatches have better aerodynamics than a notch, but im not too sure why notches are stiffer than hatches

prolly just the design of the hatch area that makes it less stiff, maybe cuz in a notch the trunk has solid metal going across

also, maybe the hatch has a better weight transfer
True. .38drag coeff. for the hatch. .40 for the notch. The package tray on the notch helps, but put a cage in either of them and it dosen't matter.

The debate is minor, all things considered, the only real factor is personal preffrence.
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Originally Posted by JBIGBOOTSY
The package tray on the notch helps
i wasnt talkin about the luggage rack, if that's what you mean

i was referring to the metal that seperates the trunk from the interior

the hatch doesnt have that.. and the trunk itself.. the hatch is just a big piece of glass lol
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well you gotta figure this, a notch vs. a hatch in strength is like the ttops and non ttops, they tend to be weaker, cuz some of the structure is cut out with ttops, and like hatches more of the structure is cut out than the notchs..
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Originally Posted by Speedstang302
well you gotta figure this, a notch vs. a hatch in strength is like the ttops and non ttops, they tend to be weaker, cuz some of the structure is cut out with ttops, and like hatches more of the structure is cut out than the notchs..
yea that's what i was trin to say

but i think slight chassis bracing wud make the hatch better cuz of its better drag coefficient
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yeah i guess..just slap a strut tower brace, subframe connectors and stronger sway bars and that shit will be tighter than bwal..or any notchback
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