c&l = piece of crap ?

91 5.0 lx hatch · November 7th, 2007, 01:57 PM

ever since i got my car back running it runs really rich!!! not enough air? im pretty sure you guys know my setup! do c&l's mass airs really work or should i go with the pro m? cuz for close to 300 hp it feels kindof weak like its not tuned right?

Tony_90fox · November 7th, 2007, 02:26 PM

Some say C&Ls are indeed shitty. Get a Pro-M and see if it changes, if not, then it probably wasnt the meter.

Have you got it tuned right? As in professionally tuned?

Silver93LX · November 7th, 2007, 02:49 PM

C&L alot of people have problems. PMAS or Pro-M are decent. Not that more expensive either. Does youre CAI have a bend at the fender, or is it just exposed. I would have it tuned either way so you can tell. Did you go with diff. injectors or just a bigger MAF ?

Drick · November 7th, 2007, 02:53 PM

Yeah the product they said will do you just fine

Casper whats up buddy see you havent got your name change 6 posts

MSO · November 7th, 2007, 03:39 PM

MAF sucks

speed density

TENGRAM · November 7th, 2007, 03:48 PM

before wasting $$$ on a different brand MAF (especially since you can get a tuner for the same cost) you should make sure something else isn't causing the problem. Check for Codes. FWIW, my C&L has worked flawlessly and so have thousands of others. its just recently that the C&L e-bashing has started, now everyone blames everything on the C&L meter.

JBIGBOOTSY · November 7th, 2007, 06:15 PM

My C&L works fine too.

Phoenixx · November 7th, 2007, 07:34 PM

I'd get it prof tuned, if that doesn't help try the pro M. I like the pro M a whole lot better, but if you get the C&L to work right then it may not be worth spending the extra $$$

1slo5.0 · November 8th, 2007, 01:15 AM

C&L has had alot of problems with mass air meters for several years. One thing that seems to help with them is rotating the meter in one direction or the other.

If you are having problems with the car now I wouldn't change anything. I'd be looking into why you are having problems. Going to a larger mass air meter isn't going to make the problem go away.

TENGRAM · November 8th, 2007, 03:37 AM

the 2 main reasons for "clocking" (rotating) the MAF are:
1. you have the air filter in the engine compartment and the air from the fan (fan wash) is disrupting the MAF sensor readings. you really shouldn't have the filter in the engine compartment anyway...if you do you should fab up a heat shield for it (kind of a fun fabrication project really).
2. there is a bend immediately before the meter (ie bbk or mac style fenderwell CAI). in this instance the air does not flow evenly round the bend so the signal is not consistent and not accurately representative of the actual amount of air entering your engine.

i would think the problem is worse with C&L meters because of the way the C&L "adjusts" for different injector sizes. since they use larger tubes around the sensor element, the signal is more prone to disruption.

ryans88gt · November 8th, 2007, 05:43 PM

+1 clocking my C&L made a huge difference in driveability.

Also, try turning the fuel pressure down if it is running rich...

November 7th, 2007, 01:57 PM	#1
91 5.0 lx hatch Regular 1993 5.0 notchback Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Hawthorne,ca Posts: 90 iTrader: 0 reviews	c&l = piece of crap ? ever since i got my car back running it runs really rich!!! not enough air? im pretty sure you guys know my setup! do c&l's mass airs really work or should i go with the pro m? cuz for close to 300 hp it feels kindof weak like its not tuned right? __________________ 93 5.0 notch-b303 cam,performer rpm heads,performer upper and lower,70mmthrottle body,shorty headers,h-pipe,flows,cai,1.7rr,built aod 91 5.0 lx hatch-Sold 92 5.0 lx hatch-Sold

November 7th, 2007, 02:26 PM	#2
Tony_90fox Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 3,831 iTrader: 0 reviews	Some say C&Ls are indeed shitty. Get a Pro-M and see if it changes, if not, then it probably wasnt the meter. Have you got it tuned right? As in professionally tuned? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [B][U]MM Sapper Squad[/U][/B] [QUOTE=Regency 2007;1676187]MSO's stupidity has never stopped amazing me since the day he joined this forum.[/QUOTE]

November 7th, 2007, 02:49 PM	#3
Silver93LX Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 7 iTrader: 0 reviews	C&L alot of people have problems. PMAS or Pro-M are decent. Not that more expensive either. Does youre CAI have a bend at the fender, or is it just exposed. I would have it tuned either way so you can tell. Did you go with diff. injectors or just a bigger MAF ? __________________ Formerly CASPER98GT

November 7th, 2007, 02:53 PM	#4
Drick Big timin' in a small town 2004 FX4 F150, 86 GT Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Gods country. Nordern Michigan eh Posts: 14,365 iTrader: 1 reviews	Yeah the product they said will do you just fine Casper whats up buddy see you havent got your name change 6 posts __________________ FX4 Crew Crew member #1 Don't take anything I say to heart, I don't try to come off as an asshole. It just happens

November 7th, 2007, 03:39 PM	#5
MSO Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: アメリカ Posts: 5,954 iTrader: 0 reviews	MAF sucks speed density __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [SIZE="5"][FONT="Arial Black"]OBEY THE FACE![/FONT][/SIZE] Edited By Moderator. Next time will be a ban.

November 7th, 2007, 03:48 PM	#6
TENGRAM Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,027 iTrader: 0 reviews	before wasting $$$ on a different brand MAF (especially since you can get a tuner for the same cost) you should make sure something else isn't causing the problem. Check for Codes. FWIW, my C&L has worked flawlessly and so have thousands of others. its just recently that the C&L e-bashing has started, now everyone blames everything on the C&L meter. __________________ 89 GT t5 3.73 www.my5oh.com/

November 7th, 2007, 06:15 PM	#7
JBIGBOOTSY MM Fanatic 1990 LX hatch Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hobart Indiana Posts: 4,392 iTrader: 0 reviews	My C&L works fine too. __________________ Bolt-on Abraham Lincoln Log motor. With extra wiring.

November 7th, 2007, 07:34 PM	#8
Phoenixx Smokin' Hot Blonde Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 560 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'd get it prof tuned, if that doesn't help try the pro M. I like the pro M a whole lot better, but if you get the C&L to work right then it may not be worth spending the extra $$$ __________________ You make sure your 'stang is covered in case of an accident, let us do the same for you. We'll make sure you're getting just the right benefits, at just the right price. PM me or visit us online!

November 8th, 2007, 01:15 AM	#9
1slo5.0 MM Ninjas! 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 11,375 iTrader: 1 reviews	C&L has had alot of problems with mass air meters for several years. One thing that seems to help with them is rotating the meter in one direction or the other. If you are having problems with the car now I wouldn't change anything. I'd be looking into why you are having problems. Going to a larger mass air meter isn't going to make the problem go away. __________________ My daily driver has 16 cylinders and 4400hp @ 1000 rpm.... ***1988 Mustang GT - Stock....almost

November 8th, 2007, 03:37 AM	#10
TENGRAM Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,027 iTrader: 0 reviews	the 2 main reasons for "clocking" (rotating) the MAF are: 1. you have the air filter in the engine compartment and the air from the fan (fan wash) is disrupting the MAF sensor readings. you really shouldn't have the filter in the engine compartment anyway...if you do you should fab up a heat shield for it (kind of a fun fabrication project really). 2. there is a bend immediately before the meter (ie bbk or mac style fenderwell CAI). in this instance the air does not flow evenly round the bend so the signal is not consistent and not accurately representative of the actual amount of air entering your engine. i would think the problem is worse with C&L meters because of the way the C&L "adjusts" for different injector sizes. since they use larger tubes around the sensor element, the signal is more prone to disruption. __________________ 89 GT t5 3.73 www.my5oh.com/

November 8th, 2007, 05:43 PM	#11
ryans88gt MM Fanatic Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 4,627 iTrader: 0 reviews	+1 clocking my C&L made a huge difference in driveability. Also, try turning the fuel pressure down if it is running rich...

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