The Classic 5.0 vs 5.8

Goblin · November 27th, 2007, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Darrell

Illinios

Thats a good drive from Tampa, FL. Did you go to him for your tuning needs?

ryans88gt · November 27th, 2007, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Darrell

I wasn't shooting you. I was just asking how the lifter valley was going to seal because the the gasket rail of a 302 doesn't match that of a 351 so now you will have oil all over the place.

Most of the adapters come with a lifter valley pan that seals to the block and heads with silicone. They make these adapter for cleveland heads and a 302 or 351w based intake too. Imagine the port blending required there...lol

I don't think I would use them unless there was nothing else available.

ryans88gt · November 27th, 2007, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Goblin

Interesting you mention the PMS tuner, i already have one and am using with my current setup (i bought it with the NX dry system for packaged deal). Ive gone through rick for a few things. I'd really like to see dyno sheets with different intakes on large windsors...just to see what the numbers are. I know i'll need a larger pump (something i have now because of the nitrous), along with an AFPR.. which i have, all i need is some good logs and bigger injectors.. ugh, EFI... i love it though.. until it acts up.

Question. Say i use the TFS-R lower, and the Box-R upper... with using the box upper.. and with porting.. am i going to see any loss in low-speed response and torque?

With a 408 and a roller cam you will not have any problems with low end torque. Also, the TFS box upper actually has some runner extensions into the box, so you get decent runner length without choking it too much.

see pic http://images.musclemustangfastfords...wer_intake.jpg

ryans88gt · November 27th, 2007, 01:49 PM

Article
5.0 Mustang Intake Manifolds - Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords

Goblin · November 27th, 2007, 02:04 PM

Thanks! I think i missed that issue... because i dont remember reading that article. Thats good info. Im going for more than 408ci.. but even still.. shouldnt make too much of a difference. Can the Box R work with an AFM Power pipe? I'd hate to ditch my power pipe...

1/4-horse · November 27th, 2007, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by ryans88gt

Most of the adapters come with a lifter valley pan that seals to the block and heads with silicone. They make these adapter for cleveland heads and a 302 or 351w based intake too. Imagine the port blending required there...lol

I don't think I would use them unless there was nothing else available.

That's good to know, like most here I thought it'd be one GIANT glob of silicone on each rail, yuk!

Jay

Goblin · November 27th, 2007, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by 1/4-horse

That's good to know, like most here I thought it'd be one GIANT glob of silicone on each rail, yuk!

Jay

You would be suprised at how many people would actually try that. I wouldnt put it past half-assed people. Anyone know if my AFM Power Pipe will work without any hassle with the Box R?

1slo5.0 · November 28th, 2007, 12:27 AM

Don't bet your soul on tainted magazine articles......

lugnutz08 · November 28th, 2007, 01:34 AM

Well I cant be specific, but a 351 w/alum heads weighs very close to a 302 w/iron heads

Goblin · November 28th, 2007, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Darrell

Don't bet your soul on tainted magazine articles......

I dont, atleast not anymore. Not after Steve Baur swore up and down that rod ratios actually have a major effect on stroker motors. And the fact he passed on the bullshit rumor that the common 347s burn oil, and have bad rod angles etc. I think the only guy that associates with that magizine that i actually credit, and have respect for, is Richard Holdener.

ryans88gt · November 28th, 2007, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Darrell

Don't bet your soul on tainted magazine articles......

The only part I look at is the combo and dyno numbers...preferably they are the uncorrected dyno numbers...

November 27th, 2007, 01:49 PM	#44
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November 27th, 2007, 02:04 PM	#45
Goblin Hardcore Enthusiast 88mm Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,111 iTrader: 0 reviews	Thanks! I think i missed that issue... because i dont remember reading that article. Thats good info. Im going for more than 408ci.. but even still.. shouldnt make too much of a difference. Can the Box R work with an AFM Power pipe? I'd hate to ditch my power pipe... __________________

November 28th, 2007, 12:27 AM	#48
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November 28th, 2007, 01:34 AM	#49
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