460 vs Built 5.0

83five0 · November 29th, 2007, 01:46 PM

ive got a 5.0 right now and have a 460 sitting in the backyard. what are the ups and downs on using a 460BB??

1slo5.0 · November 29th, 2007, 02:11 PM

Go with the 460. You can make double the horsepower for half the money of building a 5 liter. You have to keep in mind that you will need a transmission, motor mounts, headers, oil pan, manual master cylinder and a few other odds and ends but it is not a hard swap. The 460 is quite a bit heavier but the horsepower difference more than makes up for it.

Goblin · November 29th, 2007, 02:16 PM

460. Cant beat displacement.

Speedstang302 · November 29th, 2007, 02:24 PM

yep 460...with cam, heads, intake, good carb and good fuel delivery and ignition you can make serious numbers...just harder to find parts for, heavier...but for the price to run 11s...its worth it...only dont plan on stroking an 73/74 or newer 460...they arent truely made to handle a hole hell of a lot of HP...

Goblin · November 29th, 2007, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Speedstang302

yep 460...with cam, heads, intake, good carb and good fuel delivery and ignition you can make serious numbers...just harder to find parts for, heavier...but for the price to run 11s...its worth it...only dont plan on stroking an 73/74 or newer 460...they arent truely made to handle a hole hell of a lot of HP...

Ummm, what? Ive seen super stockers with mid 70s 460 blocks making 800+hp, and last season after season after season... I would say 800hp is more than alot.

Speedstang302 · November 29th, 2007, 02:39 PM

maybe early 70s...like 70-72...but anything after that rlly isnt all that great...yeah they can still handle 600+ easy...but not as much as the stronger big blocks and even small blocks of the 68-72ish era...

Goblin · November 29th, 2007, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Speedstang302

maybe early 70s...like 70-72...but anything after that rlly isnt all that great...yeah they can still handle 600+ easy...but not as much as the stronger big blocks and even small blocks of the 68-72ish era...

Whaaaat? Do you know anything about BB Fords? Have you actually built any? Or.. even better, have you ever raced any?

83five0 · November 29th, 2007, 02:44 PM

the motor,trans, and rearend are sitting in the backyard still installed in a 76 thunderbird. i gotta get the oil pan, mounts, and headers, and my car came with manual brakes when i bought it. its a stock 460 so what kind of numbers can i expect out of it? my car is fully gutted and on drag radials with a 3.42 or somewhere around there with a spool.

Speedstang302 · November 29th, 2007, 02:46 PM

yes i've built some, worked on some and have friends of my dads that run them...they were made different in the late 60's and very early 70s..not being that different the mid 70s and newer arent as strong..and you will know with any 351w is nothing after 71 or so..

Speedstang302 · November 29th, 2007, 02:47 PM

exactly...an 76 thunderbird 460...even worse than 80's truck 460's...they have small cylinder walls and are not great around machine work and an rlly high HP

woody1 · November 29th, 2007, 02:51 PM

speedstang please stop, or better yet tell us how many big blocks you have built? You dont know what your talking about whatsoever. Heres my last 557 , guess what block?

Goblin · November 29th, 2007, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by woody1

speedstang please stop, or better yet tell us how many big blocks you have built? You dont know what your talking about whatsoever. Heres my last 557 , guess what block?

Thanks Woody, i was about to slap him silly. So, i'd like to know how many you've built? (Speed)

Speedstang302 · November 29th, 2007, 02:55 PM

it say cobra jet right on it...and i've help, not by my self..but help build around 5...2 from the 68-72 era...still running...and 2 from 75-79 era...not running and 1 from an 89 f250 which surprisingly is still running

Goblin · November 29th, 2007, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Speedstang302

it say cobra jet right on it...and i've help, not by my self..but help build around 5...2 from the 68-72 era...still running...and 2 from 75-79 era...not running and 1 from an 89 f250 which surprisingly is still running

And how many of those actually made more than 700hp?

Speedstang302 · November 29th, 2007, 03:03 PM

actually one of the 68-72 is pushing mid 700s..the other is only doing 550 or so...

and the mid to late 70's ones only made it to low 500's before they blew..

and wicked surprisingly the one out of an 89 f250 is pushing very high 500s and seams stronger than ever the more they add to it...

yeah my number limits maybe off..but from my expirence and what i've seen and be told..any block from mid 70's and on had lower nickel content and smaller cylinder walls

woody1 · November 29th, 2007, 03:13 PM

The heads are old antique CJ's from ford the block is mid 80's, 6 years later still in the same mud truck of the new owner. Anyone who tells you 500 on ANY big ford block is purely talking out of there ass. We run the bone stock cast crank to well over 1000hp. There was NEVER a forged crank for a big ford, ever until recently. Nickel this, nickel that, more horseshit.

Goblin · November 29th, 2007, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Speedstang302

actually one of the 68-72 is pushing mid 700s..the other is only doing 550 or so...

and the mid to late 70's ones only made it to low 500's before they blew..

and wicked surprisingly the one out of an 89 f250 is pushing very high 500s and seams stronger than ever the more they add to it...

yeah my number limits maybe off..but from my expirence and what i've seen and be told..any block from mid 70's and on had lower nickel content and smaller cylinder walls

Interesting. My 76 460 block in my 72 Gran Torino FB(im almost positive that was the year of the block) never gave way, and it was pushing in excess of 750hp. I raced it season, after season... for 3 years, and jammed out 10.30s with it.. never gave me problems. Ive also worked with alot of different mid 70s, and early 70s BB Fords, with my brothers cars and projects. Never had ANY fail, with the proper machine work.

Speedstang302 · November 29th, 2007, 03:16 PM

i never said its dead at 500hp...i've seen that happen..i didnt say thats the limit..if i did i didnt mean to...but i bet you have built 1000hp big blocks..im just saying from what i seen, built and read the mid and late 70's, and 80s were all that great...how is nickel content bullshit..its more HP...and like i said that block is 80...our 89 f250 460 is pushing great at 600hp...so idk

Speedstang302 · November 29th, 2007, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Goblin

Interesting. My 76 460 block in my 72 Gran Torino FB(im almost positive that was the year of the block) never gave way, and it was pushing in excess of 750hp. I raced it season, after season... for 3 years, and jammed out 10.30s with it.. never gave me problems. Ive also worked with alot of different mid 70s, and early 70s BB Fords, with my brothers cars and projects. Never had ANY fail, with the proper machine work.

these motors were all built through my father and all his buddy who've been doing this 25+ yrs mininal each....and machine work done by mid-cape machine..that anyone that knows them will tell you they do great work...thats why i doubt its the build..its the block...

Goblin · November 29th, 2007, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Speedstang302

these motors were all built through my father and all his buddy who've been doing this 25+ yrs mininal each....and machine work done by mid-cape machine..that anyone that knows them will tell you they do great work...thats why i doubt its the build..its the block...

You just said in an early post, that you had a hand building them? Now its, your father has done the work? Im a little confused. Ive raced BB Fords... not for 20 or 30 years, only about 4.. and maybe an extra year in there of experimenting with building them. Ive spent 100s... literally 100s of hours at the track with numerous cars, and setups.. between mustangs, a falcon.. and my torino.. ive never seen, or heard of.. or even broke ANY BB Ford block. I havent been doing this shyt for years... like some, but for the few years ive been doing it.. this is what i know, based on what ive done. Not what people tell me, or certainly not only based on what i see.

November 29th, 2007, 01:46 PM	#1
83five0 Regular 1983 GT UNKNOWN Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: MEMPHIS,TN Posts: 126 iTrader: 0 reviews	460 vs Built 5.0 ive got a 5.0 right now and have a 460 sitting in the backyard. what are the ups and downs on using a 460BB?? __________________ 1983 FOX BODY-LIL SOMTHIN IN PROGRESS

November 29th, 2007, 02:11 PM	#2
1slo5.0 MM Ninjas! 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 11,375 iTrader: 1 reviews	Go with the 460. You can make double the horsepower for half the money of building a 5 liter. You have to keep in mind that you will need a transmission, motor mounts, headers, oil pan, manual master cylinder and a few other odds and ends but it is not a hard swap. The 460 is quite a bit heavier but the horsepower difference more than makes up for it. __________________ My daily driver has 16 cylinders and 4400hp @ 1000 rpm.... ***1988 Mustang GT - Stock....almost

November 29th, 2007, 02:16 PM	#3
Goblin Hardcore Enthusiast 88mm Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2,111 iTrader: 0 reviews	460. Cant beat displacement. __________________

November 29th, 2007, 02:24 PM	#4
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,799 iTrader: 1 reviews	yep 460...with cam, heads, intake, good carb and good fuel delivery and ignition you can make serious numbers...just harder to find parts for, heavier...but for the price to run 11s...its worth it...only dont plan on stroking an 73/74 or newer 460...they arent truely made to handle a hole hell of a lot of HP... __________________ 1990 GT- 5.0L \|BBK Shortys\|VRS O/R X\| SLP LM1 Catback\|BBK CAI\| Centerforce Clutch\|MGW Short Throw\| Alum D/S\| 3.73's\| Steeda Springs...about as stock as a 5.0 comes now a days..much more to come

November 29th, 2007, 02:39 PM	#6
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,799 iTrader: 1 reviews	maybe early 70s...like 70-72...but anything after that rlly isnt all that great...yeah they can still handle 600+ easy...but not as much as the stronger big blocks and even small blocks of the 68-72ish era... __________________ 1990 GT- 5.0L \|BBK Shortys\|VRS O/R X\| SLP LM1 Catback\|BBK CAI\| Centerforce Clutch\|MGW Short Throw\| Alum D/S\| 3.73's\| Steeda Springs...about as stock as a 5.0 comes now a days..much more to come

November 29th, 2007, 02:44 PM	#8
83five0 Regular 1983 GT UNKNOWN Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: MEMPHIS,TN Posts: 126 iTrader: 0 reviews	the motor,trans, and rearend are sitting in the backyard still installed in a 76 thunderbird. i gotta get the oil pan, mounts, and headers, and my car came with manual brakes when i bought it. its a stock 460 so what kind of numbers can i expect out of it? my car is fully gutted and on drag radials with a 3.42 or somewhere around there with a spool. __________________ 1983 FOX BODY-LIL SOMTHIN IN PROGRESS

November 29th, 2007, 02:46 PM	#9
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,799 iTrader: 1 reviews	yes i've built some, worked on some and have friends of my dads that run them...they were made different in the late 60's and very early 70s..not being that different the mid 70s and newer arent as strong..and you will know with any 351w is nothing after 71 or so.. __________________ 1990 GT- 5.0L \|BBK Shortys\|VRS O/R X\| SLP LM1 Catback\|BBK CAI\| Centerforce Clutch\|MGW Short Throw\| Alum D/S\| 3.73's\| Steeda Springs...about as stock as a 5.0 comes now a days..much more to come

November 29th, 2007, 02:47 PM	#10
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,799 iTrader: 1 reviews	exactly...an 76 thunderbird 460...even worse than 80's truck 460's...they have small cylinder walls and are not great around machine work and an rlly high HP __________________ 1990 GT- 5.0L \|BBK Shortys\|VRS O/R X\| SLP LM1 Catback\|BBK CAI\| Centerforce Clutch\|MGW Short Throw\| Alum D/S\| 3.73's\| Steeda Springs...about as stock as a 5.0 comes now a days..much more to come

November 29th, 2007, 02:51 PM	#11
woody1 Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 559 iTrader: 0 reviews	speedstang please stop, or better yet tell us how many big blocks you have built? You dont know what your talking about whatsoever. Heres my last 557 , guess what block?

November 29th, 2007, 02:55 PM	#13
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,799 iTrader: 1 reviews	it say cobra jet right on it...and i've help, not by my self..but help build around 5...2 from the 68-72 era...still running...and 2 from 75-79 era...not running and 1 from an 89 f250 which surprisingly is still running __________________ 1990 GT- 5.0L \|BBK Shortys\|VRS O/R X\| SLP LM1 Catback\|BBK CAI\| Centerforce Clutch\|MGW Short Throw\| Alum D/S\| 3.73's\| Steeda Springs...about as stock as a 5.0 comes now a days..much more to come

November 29th, 2007, 03:03 PM	#15
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,799 iTrader: 1 reviews	actually one of the 68-72 is pushing mid 700s..the other is only doing 550 or so... and the mid to late 70's ones only made it to low 500's before they blew.. and wicked surprisingly the one out of an 89 f250 is pushing very high 500s and seams stronger than ever the more they add to it... yeah my number limits maybe off..but from my expirence and what i've seen and be told..any block from mid 70's and on had lower nickel content and smaller cylinder walls __________________ 1990 GT- 5.0L \|BBK Shortys\|VRS O/R X\| SLP LM1 Catback\|BBK CAI\| Centerforce Clutch\|MGW Short Throw\| Alum D/S\| 3.73's\| Steeda Springs...about as stock as a 5.0 comes now a days..much more to come

November 29th, 2007, 03:13 PM	#16
woody1 Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 559 iTrader: 0 reviews	The heads are old antique CJ's from ford the block is mid 80's, 6 years later still in the same mud truck of the new owner. Anyone who tells you 500 on ANY big ford block is purely talking out of there ass. We run the bone stock cast crank to well over 1000hp. There was NEVER a forged crank for a big ford, ever until recently. Nickel this, nickel that, more horseshit.

November 29th, 2007, 03:16 PM	#18
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,799 iTrader: 1 reviews	i never said its dead at 500hp...i've seen that happen..i didnt say thats the limit..if i did i didnt mean to...but i bet you have built 1000hp big blocks..im just saying from what i seen, built and read the mid and late 70's, and 80s were all that great...how is nickel content bullshit..its more HP...and like i said that block is 80...our 89 f250 460 is pushing great at 600hp...so idk __________________ 1990 GT- 5.0L \|BBK Shortys\|VRS O/R X\| SLP LM1 Catback\|BBK CAI\| Centerforce Clutch\|MGW Short Throw\| Alum D/S\| 3.73's\| Steeda Springs...about as stock as a 5.0 comes now a days..much more to come

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