[TENGRAM]

ed and Jay have two entirely different approaches when it comes to cam designing. do research on them and figure out which ideology you prefer. i'll give you a hint:
old school vs new school

tried and true vs technologically advanced

inside the box vs outside the box

just my2cents anyway

[White Thunder]

they shoud have a dyno war or something of that nature

[TENGRAM]

Originally Posted by White Thunder they shoud have a dyno war or something of that nature

drag strip war would be best. dynos only tell half the story. really there is more to it than 1/4 mile times or dyno numbers. would be neat to see them each build a 302 with their choice of heads, intake, and their own cams, then put through a series of tests. idle, throttle response, mpg, 1/4 mile times etc

[White Thunder]

well these guys are engine builders not car builders.....same engine and there cams....

[TENGRAM]

Originally Posted by White Thunder well these guys are engine builders not car builders.....same engine and there cams....

use two identical cars. same cubic inches but their choice of heads, intake, and exhaust because they both have preferences and both i'm sure believe theirs is better than the other's. of course this is purely hypothetical since will never happen but its interesting to think about. i know who i'd place bets on

[White Thunder]

so what if you have a good driver and bad driver

[Tony_90fox]

i know Ed and Jay are at eachother's necks in many different threads on different sites.

I personally dont know that much about either of them, but from what i gather, they dont like each other.

[JBIGBOOTSY]

Originally Posted by TENGRAM ed and Jay have two entirely different approaches when it comes to cam designing. do research on them and figure out which ideology you prefer. i'll give you a hint: old school vs new school tried and true vs technologically advanced inside the box vs outside the box Gay orgy vs no gay orgy mayo vs grape jelly just my2cents anyway

Sorry I coulden't help myself

[Darrell]

Originally Posted by GodFather aka Perky No offence Darrell, but Ed's reputation precedes him. I have been around the Mustang community long enough to know he makes a great custom cam....and no, I am not building him up or getting paid by him, as I also think that Jay makes a great cam too! Those two are THE cam gods! You do know that don't you? Thousands and thousands of stangers can't be wrong! IMHO You don't have to fire a gun to kill a man to know that the gun will do the job and do it good! Just have to do your research on which one is best. (I have). ~ again, no offence is meant by this ~

It just kills me when people give advice about something they have no experience with. Brand X is the best, but I've never used it. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

[TENGRAM]

Originally Posted by Darrell It just kills me when people give advice about something they have no experience with. Brand X is the best, but I've never used it. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

i understand that point of view but you have to keep in mind that people can be knowledgeable about things without having experienced them. school is founded on this principle. i wasn't there and i didn't do it, but i can say with the utmost certainty that man walked on the moon. i don't have to touch the glowing red stove to know that it is hot and that it will burn me. see my point? experience is the surest way to learn but fortunately we can learn from others' experiences as well. otherwise we'd be no different from animals.

another thing is that many people who have experience only have experience with one of the two objects being discussed. for example many people will say that kyb shocks and struts are great. yet they haven't tried anything better, so how would they know? many people have tried ed's cam and not Jay's, but will proclaim that ed's is the greatest and that everyone should use ed's cams. very rarely will you come across someone who has tried both. hopefully we rely on those people to give us informed opinions. those people are not always around though and can't be on every forum or in on every discussion. the great thing is that their message gets repeated on several forums by those who read it and believe it is valid. the bad thing is that people often use bad judgement. it is the end user's job to determine the validity of the info presented to him. furthermore, it sometimes takes no experience at all to understand what will work best. when things are explained in detail and understood fully, judgements can be made as to what will work best. i can say that a big tube will flow more than a small tube. i haven't tested this on a flowbench, but i know it. see what i mean?

[nolife]

Originally Posted by Darrell It just kills me when people give advice about something they have no experience with. Brand X is the best, but I've never used it. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Human nature and gives the feeling like being part of the collective group. Another issue is no one wants to admit that something they researched and bought for themselves might not be the best. If it wasn't the best, they would not have bought it! The problem is the "best" is not well defined and depends on who or what group of people you ask.

[TENGRAM]

again, it is necessary. i have first hand experience with diagnosing and fixing a TON of EFI issues, but there are some things i haven't had to fix (yet). still i have helped countless people diagnose and fix the very issues that i haven't had first hand experience with. all it takes is an understanding of the subject, not actual experience.

should i refrain from helping these people because i haven't dealt with their specific issue? hell no! i'm gonna help people if i know how to help with their problem...whether i have dealt with it personally or not.

the QUALITY of the knowledge is much more important than the source.



i don't mean to run on and on about this, its just a sore subject with me. i see people with experience of a subject giving piss poor advice all the time. i see others with no experience but with extensive knowledge of a subject giving great advice. the people with no experience get discounted because of it, despite their better advice. truth is it takes money to have experience with most things but brains are not a requirement. many people without the money have the brains and have better knowledge of a given subject.

that said, it is best to use qualifiers when giving advice on something you have no experience with or don't understand completely. "the way i understand it...", "i believe...", "from what i've read...", "should be...", etc. then again, the same could be said for those comments based on experience. "in my experience...", "when i did that...", "what happened to me was...", "every time i've done that..." etc.

[nolife]

Originally Posted by TENGRAM it is best to use qualifiers when giving advice on something you have no experience with or don't understand completely. "the way i understand it...", "i believe...", "from what i've read...", "should be...", etc. then again, the same could be said for those comments based on experience. "in my experience...", "when i did that...", "what happened to me was...", "every time i've done that..." etc.

I agree. I ALWAYS assume those "qualifiers" are there regardless if the person specifically says them or not and regardless of their experience. Its not just cars either. Ask someone who works around septic systems if you should put maintenance chemicals into your tank at regular intervals. If they say yes, ask them what brands or types of chemicals. You will get completely different answers from everyone you ask.

[95StangMX]

Originally Posted by Darrell I want to know out of all of these guys that are throwing names up which ones actually have experience dealing with these businesses?

I have done business with jay allen through woody... he gave him all the specs on my motor and tranny setup and had jay grind me a cam...now can I give an opinion on his work? ....no ...because the cam is not in the car yet and have not run it...but with everything else woody has been ON TOP of the game and hasnt steered me wrong yet so I am guessing that since he was the one chosen to do my cam that he must be pretty good...I will let you guys know hopefully very soon

[Speedstang302]

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[95StangMX]

ok speedy

[TENGRAM]

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[Iwannagofast]

what is your major tengram

[jspagna1]

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I think I will stick with the B cam, because of 2 things... I dont know where to get a custom cam and because at the time I am sending me heads of to be professionally cleaned and minorly ported because of the fact that I knew I couldn't do a whole lot....

stock GT40 heads, stock cam, stock pistons and ran a 12.8 on slicks in an AOD car. So... I figured with 11:1 CR and the cam alone I should run atleast a 12.5... and with the heads being ported and the intake manifold it should help me run a little under that. (BTW my car is also a 5spd)
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A custom grind would definitely get you more horse power out of your engine.
My car is carbed & automatic. It started off with the B Cam and GT40 Iron Heads. When I was looking into changing my heads & cam, I talked to a few other Mustangers and they suggested I keep the B Cam and go with the TFS Twisted Wedge heads out of the box, but go with 1.7 Roller Rockers to get more lift out of the cam. The most noticable difference I felt with the car was it had a lot more torque and that's really the key IMO.
Good luck.

[TENGRAM]

Originally Posted by Iwannagofast what is your major tengram

mechanical engineering. 75 hours down, about 70 to go.