351 windsor

5mustang0 · January 16th, 2008, 06:48 PM

hi guys i was wondering how to tell if an engine is a 351 windsor or not and if it is none roller or roller

Iownastang · January 16th, 2008, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by 5mustang0

hi guys i was wondering how to tell if an engine is a 351 windsor or not and if it is none roller or roller

casting number

C MY 4D · January 16th, 2008, 06:57 PM

Easiest way to tell if it is a 302 or 351 is the deck height. On a 302 the deck is even with the top of the water jacket for the timing cover. The 351 has a 1" gap between the deck and that water jacket.
As for being roller or not the easiest way to tell is to look at the lifters if the intake is off. If you can't rip it apart then your going to have to start looking at the casting numbers.

5mustang0 · January 16th, 2008, 06:57 PM

where is the caster number located at it's in a truck i belive the truck is a 1964 or around that year it was from south dakota and it has an electric cord coming out from it like a diesel truck would and the exhaust manufolds r connected to each other in front of the block

Speedstang302 · January 16th, 2008, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by 5mustang0

where is the caster number located at it's in a truck i belive the truck is a 1964 or around that year it was from south dakota and it has an electric cord coming out from it like a diesel truck would and the exhaust manufolds r connected to each other in front of the block

What? casting number? go to google and type in 351w casting numbers..it will tell you where they are and when you find them what they mean..i'll try and find a link

Speedstang302 · January 16th, 2008, 08:02 PM

FORDification.com - Ford V8 Engine Identification

this place is usually a great help

ryans88gt · January 16th, 2008, 08:04 PM

Only 94 and newer 351w were roller, so that is not a roller.

Speedstang302 · January 16th, 2008, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by ryans88gt

Only 94 and newer 351w were roller, so that is not a roller.

but they make roller conversions for all 351w's...

ryans88gt · January 16th, 2008, 08:14 PM

you can't make a non-roller block into a roller block.

But you can buy the $500 retrofit roller lifters. So if you are looking for a roller, it is cheaper to start with a roller block.

Speedstang302 · January 16th, 2008, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by ryans88gt

you can't make a non-roller block into a roller block.

"But you can buy the $500 retrofit roller lifters." So if you are looking for a roller, it is cheaper to start with a roller block.

that is what i meant you're right...but i'd rather a roller to begin with..thats another reason why i dont wanna do 351w swap. i'll stick to roller 5.0's!!!

ryans88gt · January 16th, 2008, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Speedstang302

that is what i meant you're right...but i'd rather a roller to begin with..thats another reason why i dont wanna do 351w swap. i'll stick to roller 5.0's!!!

Why? You can get a roller short block 408 with forged internals balanced and ready to build for well under $2500.

I'll help you through it, if you need help.

Speedstang302 · January 16th, 2008, 08:46 PM

fudge that...if i do do the stroker 302..and i go dart or boss block its either a 347 or 363..btw that procharger? on the blue car?

C MY 4D · January 16th, 2008, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by ryans88gt

Why? You can get a roller short block 408 with forged internals balanced and ready to build for well under $2500.

I'll help you through it, if you need help.

Not only will you have a stronger block with the 351 but retrofit roller rockers aren't that expensive.....

C MY 4D · January 16th, 2008, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by ryans88gt

you can't make a non-roller block into a roller block.

But you can buy the $500 retrofit roller lifters. So if you are looking for a roller, it is cheaper to start with a roller block.

yes you can make non-roller block rollers...... all it requires is drilling and tapping holes for the hold downs.

Speedstang302 · January 16th, 2008, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by C MY 4D

Not only will you have a stronger block with the 351 but retrofit roller rockers aren't that expensive.....

351w stronger than a dart or boss 302 block?

86_Notch · January 16th, 2008, 08:56 PM

roller 351s start with the casting # F4TE , i just got one out of a boat ( i'm going to build a 408 as soon as i win the lotto ) my current motor is only a flat tappet and i really wanted a stroked motor with a roller cam

Iwannagofast · January 16th, 2008, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Speedstang302

351w stronger than a dart or boss 302 block?

i think he was just referring to the stock 302 block..

C MY 4D · January 16th, 2008, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Speedstang302

351w stronger than a dart or boss 302 block?

never said that..... but yes its stronger than a 302.

C MY 4D · January 16th, 2008, 09:06 PM

And why does the motor being a roller mean that much to you anyway? You can still make tons of power with a non-roller.....

woody1 · January 16th, 2008, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by C MY 4D

And why does the motor being a roller mean that much to you anyway? You can still make tons of power with a non-roller.....

people are too cheap to buy a link bar hyd lifter and small base cams using the stock hyd roller lifter are junk, thats why

January 16th, 2008, 06:48 PM	#1
5mustang0 Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 253 iTrader: 0 reviews	351 windsor hi guys i was wondering how to tell if an engine is a 351 windsor or not and if it is none roller or roller

January 16th, 2008, 06:57 PM	#3
C MY 4D Billy Weston 2003 Cobra 11.14@124.36 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 4,806 iTrader: 8 reviews	Easiest way to tell if it is a 302 or 351 is the deck height. On a 302 the deck is even with the top of the water jacket for the timing cover. The 351 has a 1" gap between the deck and that water jacket. As for being roller or not the easiest way to tell is to look at the lifters if the intake is off. If you can't rip it apart then your going to have to start looking at the casting numbers. __________________ TT Build in progress....... Need work done to your car for a great price in Hampton Roads? Shoot me a PM.

January 16th, 2008, 08:02 PM	#6
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,828 iTrader: 1 reviews	FORDification.com - Ford V8 Engine Identification this place is usually a great help __________________ 1990 GT- GT40p Heads\| Anderson N41 cam\| Crane 1.6 RR's\| Trickflow Intake\|MGW Short Throw\| Aluminum d/s\| 3.73's.....still slow....

January 16th, 2008, 08:04 PM	#7
ryans88gt MM Fanatic Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 4,737 iTrader: 0 reviews	Only 94 and newer 351w were roller, so that is not a roller. __________________ 88 GT CHI headed 351w 10.8 @ 125 - still figuring it out. 03 Cobra 2.3 whipple 10.7 @ 129 - sold it 04 Mach 1 12.7 @ 109 mostly stock - sold it 89 LX procharged 302 515 hp 497 ftlbs 10.7 @130 mph - sold it

January 16th, 2008, 08:14 PM	#9
ryans88gt MM Fanatic Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 4,737 iTrader: 0 reviews	you can't make a non-roller block into a roller block. But you can buy the $500 retrofit roller lifters. So if you are looking for a roller, it is cheaper to start with a roller block. __________________ 88 GT CHI headed 351w 10.8 @ 125 - still figuring it out. 03 Cobra 2.3 whipple 10.7 @ 129 - sold it 04 Mach 1 12.7 @ 109 mostly stock - sold it 89 LX procharged 302 515 hp 497 ftlbs 10.7 @130 mph - sold it

January 16th, 2008, 08:46 PM	#12
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,828 iTrader: 1 reviews	fudge that...if i do do the stroker 302..and i go dart or boss block its either a 347 or 363..btw that procharger? on the blue car? __________________ 1990 GT- GT40p Heads\| Anderson N41 cam\| Crane 1.6 RR's\| Trickflow Intake\|MGW Short Throw\| Aluminum d/s\| 3.73's.....still slow....

January 16th, 2008, 08:56 PM	#16
86_Notch Hardcore Enthusiast 1986 lx notch 9.98 @ 135 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delaware Posts: 1,522 iTrader: 0 reviews	roller 351s start with the casting # F4TE , i just got one out of a boat ( i'm going to build a 408 as soon as i win the lotto ) my current motor is only a flat tappet and i really wanted a stroked motor with a roller cam

January 16th, 2008, 09:06 PM	#19
C MY 4D Billy Weston 2003 Cobra 11.14@124.36 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Hampton, VA Posts: 4,806 iTrader: 8 reviews	And why does the motor being a roller mean that much to you anyway? You can still make tons of power with a non-roller..... __________________ TT Build in progress....... Need work done to your car for a great price in Hampton Roads? Shoot me a PM.

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