Easy 400 HP from N/A SBF with Heads & Headers change!

Zak · September 27th, 2006, 10:09 PM

I just wanted to share this interesting article with you guys.. a stock 302 motor with stock cam.. only by changing heads to a small AFR 165, using 1-3/4" long tube headers and 1.7 rockers.. we get a 405 hp / 380 lb.ft monster Ford engine! Of course, it is carburetted.. but it's just a baby Barry Grant Road Demon Jr. 625

Some of you may be familiar with this article but here it is anyway:

Car Craft

This is another 400hp 302 project with complete parts list & build-up specs:

Ford Muscle

Unbelievable!! And I thought you can only get that much from Chevy!

tuff5liter · September 28th, 2006, 01:44 AM

thats at the motor tho.....kinda close to what i did with mine and mine is still a 302 just rebuilt with new rings and bearings..

Dyno Sheet

Zak · September 28th, 2006, 03:51 AM

What's the mods (I can see AFR heads, TFS-TW intake, E cam, 3.73 gears) and what's you static compression ratio?

Mustangfan99 · September 28th, 2006, 07:57 PM

dang, i think i am gonna get a 5.0 as my first car. they look better and better every day.

MSO · September 28th, 2006, 09:25 PM

5.0s own. dont let anyone tell u anything else

5-0stank · September 28th, 2006, 09:45 PM

5.0 is one of the cheapest, most dependable, and most effective cars to mod

Darrell · September 29th, 2006, 02:46 AM

That is impressive for a stock cam but at the same time they are only making 1.34 hp per cubic inch so it is far from setting any records.

tuff5liter · September 30th, 2006, 08:03 PM

What's the mods (I can see AFR heads, TFS-TW intake, E cam, 3.73 gears) and what's you static compression ratio?

afr heads, track heat intake, e cam, 1.6 fms rr's, 70mm tb and egr, stock internals and just new rings and bearings, used ROL gaskets to bump the compression up just a tad. Not alot done. Im super happy with my combo, and everyone there was shocked at the numbers. He even shut down the dyno the rebooted everything and reinput all my info just to make sure the machine was working right.

89StangGT · September 30th, 2006, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by 5-0stank

5.0 is one of the cheapest, most dependable, and most effective cars to mod

i dont know about the cheapest...you can build a small block chevy for like 25 bucks :wink

Zak · September 30th, 2006, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by 89StangGT

Originally Posted by 5-0stank

5.0 is one of the cheapest, most dependable, and most effective cars to mod

i dont know about the cheapest...you can build a small block chevy for like 25 bucks :wink

25 bucks? Get outa here

besides, 5-0stank's statement is true.. it's "one of the" cheapest cars to mod.. compared to imports, sport compacts, Chryslers & Vettes..

tuff5liter · October 1st, 2006, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by 89StangGT

Originally Posted by 5-0stank

5.0 is one of the cheapest, most dependable, and most effective cars to mod

i dont know about the cheapest...you can build a small block chevy for like 25 bucks :wink

go to autozone and price a timing cover for a 350 then look up the price of a timing cover for a 5.0...tell me which is cheapest.....lol

chevy timing cover at autozone $25
summit brand 5.0 timing cover $125

Zak · October 1st, 2006, 03:28 AM

Depends on the brand of course..

I bought a brand new stock aluminum timing cover for my carburetted 302 Stang (comes with a hole for the mechanical fuel pump) for $44 from carpartswholesale.com but if i'd go for some high performance brand names, i'd definitly have to pay more..

but in general Chevy parts are cheaper in price than Ford.. right on.

5-0stank · October 1st, 2006, 11:01 AM

o yeah chevy is cheaper...they have dominated the aftermarket world forever and there are billions of parts for them. i didnt say the 5.0 was THE cheapest, but its cheaper than a 4.6 and tons of other cars out there.

ChrisJ · October 2nd, 2006, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by 5-0stank

o yeah chevy is cheaper...they have dominated the aftermarket world forever and there are billions of parts for them. i didnt say the 5.0 was THE cheapest, but its cheaper than a 4.6 and tons of other cars out there.

Very true statement...

In the long run no mods to cars are really cheap...

88BlueGT · October 2nd, 2006, 09:41 AM

^^^ I would have to say that no mods are cheap PERIOD lol

Stangzilla · October 3rd, 2006, 12:31 AM

Sorry but I dont believe you got that much power from what you listed!! I have been working on Fox bodies for 15 years and I dont care what you say that dyno was F*%ked up!!!!

Stangzilla · October 3rd, 2006, 12:51 AM

is that rwhp or flywheel? Flywheel I can believe but not rwhp.

ChrisJ · October 3rd, 2006, 02:00 AM

I think it is possible...

My guess is the motor would not be streetable though...But I could be wrong...

It is prolly Fly-Wheel HP...

88BlueGT · October 3rd, 2006, 09:38 AM

Im pretty sure its flywheel also. Maybe AFR can get that much power but I would love to see an average joe throw them parts on and make that lol

ChrisJ · October 3rd, 2006, 09:40 AM

I would like to see if the car is streetable or if it is a dyno queen or not...

September 27th, 2006, 10:09 PM	#1
Zak Regular Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 253	Easy 400 HP from N/A SBF with Heads & Headers change! I just wanted to share this interesting article with you guys.. a stock 302 motor with stock cam.. only by changing heads to a small AFR 165, using 1-3/4" long tube headers and 1.7 rockers.. we get a 405 hp / 380 lb.ft monster Ford engine! Of course, it is carburetted.. but it's just a baby Barry Grant Road Demon Jr. 625 Some of you may be familiar with this article but here it is anyway: Car Craft This is another 400hp 302 project with complete parts list & build-up specs: Ford Muscle Unbelievable!! And I thought you can only get that much from Chevy!

September 28th, 2006, 07:57 PM	#4
Mustangfan99 Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 572	dang, i think i am gonna get a 5.0 as my first car. they look better and better every day. __________________ V6 power!

September 28th, 2006, 09:45 PM	#6
5-0stank Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: emmaus, pa Posts: 508	5.0 is one of the cheapest, most dependable, and most effective cars to mod __________________ 1995 GT 5-Speed: 14.4 @ 96.1mph

September 29th, 2006, 02:46 AM	#7
Darrell MM Ninjas! 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 6,574	That is impressive for a stock cam but at the same time they are only making 1.34 hp per cubic inch so it is far from setting any records. __________________ Racing in memory of Dave Bandt 11/19/69 - 3/23/08 "he's traded his wheels for wings" Professor of Natural Aspiration Thanks to: Artie at Trick Flow, Dave at Team Z Motorsports, Brian at Total Engine Airflow and Harold at Furo Racecraft

October 1st, 2006, 11:01 AM	#13
5-0stank Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: emmaus, pa Posts: 508	o yeah chevy is cheaper...they have dominated the aftermarket world forever and there are billions of parts for them. i didnt say the 5.0 was THE cheapest, but its cheaper than a 4.6 and tons of other cars out there. __________________ 1995 GT 5-Speed: 14.4 @ 96.1mph

September 28th, 2006, 01:44 AM	#2
tuff5liter Newbie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3	thats at the motor tho.....kinda close to what i did with mine and mine is still a 302 just rebuilt with new rings and bearings.. Dyno Sheet

September 28th, 2006, 03:51 AM	#3
Zak Regular Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 253	What's the mods (I can see AFR heads, TFS-TW intake, E cam, 3.73 gears) and what's you static compression ratio?

October 1st, 2006, 03:28 AM	#12
Zak Regular Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 253	Depends on the brand of course.. I bought a brand new stock aluminum timing cover for my carburetted 302 Stang (comes with a hole for the mechanical fuel pump) for $44 from carpartswholesale.com but if i'd go for some high performance brand names, i'd definitly have to pay more.. but in general Chevy parts are cheaper in price than Ford.. right on.

October 2nd, 2006, 09:41 AM	#15
88BlueGT Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hamilton, NJ Posts: 198	^^^ I would have to say that no mods are cheap PERIOD lol __________________ http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...8bluegt6wk.jpg 93 GT - Full Exhaust, 3.90's, Front Tubular Suspension, etc. 88 GT "Big Blue" - Body work & primer!

October 3rd, 2006, 12:31 AM	#16
Stangzilla Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On my way to Baines's house!! Posts: 2,992	NOT!!!!! Sorry but I dont believe you got that much power from what you listed!! I have been working on Fox bodies for 15 years and I dont care what you say that dyno was F*%ked up!!!!

October 3rd, 2006, 12:51 AM	#17
Stangzilla Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On my way to Baines's house!! Posts: 2,992	is that rwhp or flywheel? Flywheel I can believe but not rwhp.

October 3rd, 2006, 02:00 AM	#18
ChrisJ The Cable Guy... 2002 Mustang GT SLOW Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Shepherdsville, Kentucky Posts: 15,372	I think it is possible... My guess is the motor would not be streetable though...But I could be wrong... It is prolly Fly-Wheel HP... __________________ My Junk www.myspace.com/cjobe

October 3rd, 2006, 09:38 AM	#19
88BlueGT Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hamilton, NJ Posts: 198	Im pretty sure its flywheel also. Maybe AFR can get that much power but I would love to see an average joe throw them parts on and make that lol __________________ http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c5...8bluegt6wk.jpg 93 GT - Full Exhaust, 3.90's, Front Tubular Suspension, etc. 88 GT "Big Blue" - Body work & primer!

October 3rd, 2006, 09:40 AM	#20
ChrisJ The Cable Guy... 2002 Mustang GT SLOW Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Shepherdsville, Kentucky Posts: 15,372	I would like to see if the car is streetable or if it is a dyno queen or not... __________________ My Junk www.myspace.com/cjobe

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Easy 400 HP from N/A SBF with Heads & Headers change!

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