Easy 400 HP from N/A SBF with Heads & Headers change!

Zak · September 27th, 2006, 10:09 PM

I just wanted to share this interesting article with you guys.. a stock 302 motor with stock cam.. only by changing heads to a small AFR 165, using 1-3/4" long tube headers and 1.7 rockers.. we get a 405 hp / 380 lb.ft monster Ford engine! Of course, it is carburetted.. but it's just a baby Barry Grant Road Demon Jr. 625

Some of you may be familiar with this article but here it is anyway:

Car Craft

This is another 400hp 302 project with complete parts list & build-up specs:

Ford Muscle

Unbelievable!! And I thought you can only get that much from Chevy!

tuff5liter · September 28th, 2006, 01:44 AM

thats at the motor tho.....kinda close to what i did with mine and mine is still a 302 just rebuilt with new rings and bearings..

Dyno Sheet

Zak · September 28th, 2006, 03:51 AM

What's the mods (I can see AFR heads, TFS-TW intake, E cam, 3.73 gears) and what's you static compression ratio?

Mustangfan99 · September 28th, 2006, 07:57 PM

dang, i think i am gonna get a 5.0 as my first car. they look better and better every day.

MSO · September 28th, 2006, 09:25 PM

5.0s own. dont let anyone tell u anything else

5-0stank · September 28th, 2006, 09:45 PM

5.0 is one of the cheapest, most dependable, and most effective cars to mod

1slo5.0 · September 29th, 2006, 02:46 AM

That is impressive for a stock cam but at the same time they are only making 1.34 hp per cubic inch so it is far from setting any records.

tuff5liter · September 30th, 2006, 08:03 PM

What's the mods (I can see AFR heads, TFS-TW intake, E cam, 3.73 gears) and what's you static compression ratio?

afr heads, track heat intake, e cam, 1.6 fms rr's, 70mm tb and egr, stock internals and just new rings and bearings, used ROL gaskets to bump the compression up just a tad. Not alot done. Im super happy with my combo, and everyone there was shocked at the numbers. He even shut down the dyno the rebooted everything and reinput all my info just to make sure the machine was working right.

89StangGT · September 30th, 2006, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by 5-0stank

5.0 is one of the cheapest, most dependable, and most effective cars to mod

i dont know about the cheapest...you can build a small block chevy for like 25 bucks :wink

Zak · September 30th, 2006, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by 89StangGT

Originally Posted by 5-0stank

5.0 is one of the cheapest, most dependable, and most effective cars to mod

i dont know about the cheapest...you can build a small block chevy for like 25 bucks :wink

25 bucks? Get outa here

besides, 5-0stank's statement is true.. it's "one of the" cheapest cars to mod.. compared to imports, sport compacts, Chryslers & Vettes..

tuff5liter · October 1st, 2006, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by 89StangGT

Originally Posted by 5-0stank

5.0 is one of the cheapest, most dependable, and most effective cars to mod

i dont know about the cheapest...you can build a small block chevy for like 25 bucks :wink

go to autozone and price a timing cover for a 350 then look up the price of a timing cover for a 5.0...tell me which is cheapest.....lol

chevy timing cover at autozone $25
summit brand 5.0 timing cover $125

Zak · October 1st, 2006, 03:28 AM

Depends on the brand of course..

I bought a brand new stock aluminum timing cover for my carburetted 302 Stang (comes with a hole for the mechanical fuel pump) for $44 from carpartswholesale.com but if i'd go for some high performance brand names, i'd definitly have to pay more..

but in general Chevy parts are cheaper in price than Ford.. right on.

5-0stank · October 1st, 2006, 11:01 AM

o yeah chevy is cheaper...they have dominated the aftermarket world forever and there are billions of parts for them. i didnt say the 5.0 was THE cheapest, but its cheaper than a 4.6 and tons of other cars out there.

ChrisJ · October 2nd, 2006, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by 5-0stank

o yeah chevy is cheaper...they have dominated the aftermarket world forever and there are billions of parts for them. i didnt say the 5.0 was THE cheapest, but its cheaper than a 4.6 and tons of other cars out there.

Very true statement...

In the long run no mods to cars are really cheap...

88BlueGT · October 2nd, 2006, 09:41 AM

^^^ I would have to say that no mods are cheap PERIOD lol

Stangzilla · October 3rd, 2006, 12:31 AM

Sorry but I dont believe you got that much power from what you listed!! I have been working on Fox bodies for 15 years and I dont care what you say that dyno was F*%ked up!!!!

Stangzilla · October 3rd, 2006, 12:51 AM

is that rwhp or flywheel? Flywheel I can believe but not rwhp.

ChrisJ · October 3rd, 2006, 02:00 AM

I think it is possible...

My guess is the motor would not be streetable though...But I could be wrong...

It is prolly Fly-Wheel HP...

88BlueGT · October 3rd, 2006, 09:38 AM

Im pretty sure its flywheel also. Maybe AFR can get that much power but I would love to see an average joe throw them parts on and make that lol

ChrisJ · October 3rd, 2006, 09:40 AM

I would like to see if the car is streetable or if it is a dyno queen or not...

September 27th, 2006, 10:09 PM	#1
Zak Regular Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 254 iTrader: 0 reviews	Easy 400 HP from N/A SBF with Heads & Headers change! I just wanted to share this interesting article with you guys.. a stock 302 motor with stock cam.. only by changing heads to a small AFR 165, using 1-3/4" long tube headers and 1.7 rockers.. we get a 405 hp / 380 lb.ft monster Ford engine! Of course, it is carburetted.. but it's just a baby Barry Grant Road Demon Jr. 625 Some of you may be familiar with this article but here it is anyway: Car Craft This is another 400hp 302 project with complete parts list & build-up specs: Ford Muscle Unbelievable!! And I thought you can only get that much from Chevy!

September 28th, 2006, 07:57 PM	#4
Mustangfan99 Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 576 iTrader: 0 reviews	dang, i think i am gonna get a 5.0 as my first car. they look better and better every day. __________________ V6 power!

September 28th, 2006, 09:25 PM	#5
MSO Banned Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: アメリカ Posts: 5,933 iTrader: 0 reviews	5.0s own. dont let anyone tell u anything else __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [SIZE="5"][FONT="Arial Black"]OBEY THE FACE![/FONT][/SIZE] Edited By Moderator. Next time will be a ban.

September 28th, 2006, 09:45 PM	#6
5-0stank Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: emmaus, pa Posts: 508 iTrader: 0 reviews	5.0 is one of the cheapest, most dependable, and most effective cars to mod __________________ 1995 GT::Sold! Looking for another stang...

September 29th, 2006, 02:46 AM	#7
1slo5.0 MM Ninjas! 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 11,375 iTrader: 1 reviews	That is impressive for a stock cam but at the same time they are only making 1.34 hp per cubic inch so it is far from setting any records. __________________ My daily driver has 16 cylinders and 4400hp @ 1000 rpm.... ***1988 Mustang GT - Stock....almost

September 28th, 2006, 01:44 AM	#2
tuff5liter Newbie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3 iTrader: 0 reviews	thats at the motor tho.....kinda close to what i did with mine and mine is still a 302 just rebuilt with new rings and bearings.. Dyno Sheet

September 28th, 2006, 03:51 AM	#3
Zak Regular Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 254 iTrader: 0 reviews	What's the mods (I can see AFR heads, TFS-TW intake, E cam, 3.73 gears) and what's you static compression ratio?

October 1st, 2006, 03:28 AM	#12
Zak Regular Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 254 iTrader: 0 reviews	Depends on the brand of course.. I bought a brand new stock aluminum timing cover for my carburetted 302 Stang (comes with a hole for the mechanical fuel pump) for $44 from carpartswholesale.com but if i'd go for some high performance brand names, i'd definitly have to pay more.. but in general Chevy parts are cheaper in price than Ford.. right on.

October 1st, 2006, 11:01 AM	#13
5-0stank Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: emmaus, pa Posts: 508 iTrader: 0 reviews	o yeah chevy is cheaper...they have dominated the aftermarket world forever and there are billions of parts for them. i didnt say the 5.0 was THE cheapest, but its cheaper than a 4.6 and tons of other cars out there. __________________ 1995 GT::Sold! Looking for another stang...

October 2nd, 2006, 09:41 AM	#15
88BlueGT Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hamilton, NJ Posts: 202 iTrader: 0 reviews	^^^ I would have to say that no mods are cheap PERIOD lol __________________ 93 GT - Full Exhaust, 3.90's, Front Tubular Suspension, etc. 88 GT "Big Blue" - Body work & primer!

October 3rd, 2006, 12:31 AM	#16
Stangzilla MM Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On my way to Baines's house!! Posts: 3,298 iTrader: 0 reviews	NOT!!!!! Sorry but I dont believe you got that much power from what you listed!! I have been working on Fox bodies for 15 years and I dont care what you say that dyno was F*%ked up!!!!

October 3rd, 2006, 12:51 AM	#17
Stangzilla MM Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: On my way to Baines's house!! Posts: 3,298 iTrader: 0 reviews	is that rwhp or flywheel? Flywheel I can believe but not rwhp.

October 3rd, 2006, 02:00 AM	#18
ChrisJ RLY SRS Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ft. Meade, MD Posts: 38,220 Blog Entries: 4 iTrader: 10 reviews	I think it is possible... My guess is the motor would not be streetable though...But I could be wrong... It is prolly Fly-Wheel HP... __________________ 2008 Acura TL Type-S - 2008 EB Ford Expedition - 2002 Boosted GT - Sold Facebook Google+

October 3rd, 2006, 09:38 AM	#19
88BlueGT Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hamilton, NJ Posts: 202 iTrader: 0 reviews	Im pretty sure its flywheel also. Maybe AFR can get that much power but I would love to see an average joe throw them parts on and make that lol __________________ 93 GT - Full Exhaust, 3.90's, Front Tubular Suspension, etc. 88 GT "Big Blue" - Body work & primer!

October 3rd, 2006, 09:40 AM	#20
ChrisJ RLY SRS Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ft. Meade, MD Posts: 38,220 Blog Entries: 4 iTrader: 10 reviews	I would like to see if the car is streetable or if it is a dyno queen or not... __________________ 2008 Acura TL Type-S - 2008 EB Ford Expedition - 2002 Boosted GT - Sold Facebook Google+

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Easy 400 HP from N/A SBF with Heads & Headers change!

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