429/460 or 351W?

Speedstang302 · March 20th, 2008, 05:05 PM

MikeD05GT · March 20th, 2008, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by ryans88gt

if you are worried about gas mileage, neither swap makes sense. Swap in a 4 cylinder for better gas mileage.

he already has a beater have u read this thread???

Iwannagofast · March 20th, 2008, 05:22 PM

yes but he was wondering about how much gas mileage each would be gettin and neither is a good option for that

ryans88gt · March 20th, 2008, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by jlaw98gt

he already has a beater have u read this thread???

Who the hell are you

Yeah I read the thread, he has asked multiple times how much gas mileage will be...with that concern, a 4 cyl swap is best.

2001kx · March 21st, 2008, 02:02 AM

go for the 460 (only because i did)
i have one for sale if interested $350.00 needs cam
mine is 550 hp and i would guess 8 mpg?
also the 460 is 150 lbs heavier than small block i believe.
also with the high rise intake you'll have hood clearance issues unless you can sit it in lower..i have a 5 inch cowl and it barely fits with the victor 460 intake.

engine for sale

still work in progress.

zers · March 21st, 2008, 02:13 AM

yea i think 18 mpg with a 351w with a carb is way on the optimistic side. I haven't tested it per-say, but if you drive it like you stole it (like I tend to with my 302) it gets a lot less than that. And what's the fun in having a fun car if you don't drive the shit out of it?

93hatch · March 21st, 2008, 03:43 AM

im still confused as to why mpg keeps coming up so much... id bet money even with the 351 and a big ass carb you drive it decently hard dont expect over 10mpg

zers · March 21st, 2008, 04:03 AM

I dunno everyone else keeps talking about it.

I'd do the 351w on a budget though, cheaper parts, wider availability. In the long run it'll be cheaper, and on a poor college student budget that's good heh.

built351w · March 21st, 2008, 09:47 AM

I'm building a car from the ground up now and I made the decision to go with a small block 351w. I know the lure of a big block is great, but everything gets WAY more expensive..... Trust me when I tell you there are sooooooooo many things that are gonna cost you money that you havn't thought of yet lol

STREET6 · March 22nd, 2008, 01:42 AM

351W is my choice. I would only do the 460 if I had a bigger budget than you have and my main goal was to do something different. You rarely see this done(That's why parts are expensive). Otherwise you could make great power with the 351 with more aftermarket support.

Realy I see little advantage to a BB Ford in this situation. Plus someday out of college you could put a 427ci stroker kit in it (and any other parts you want because there are so many for small blocks) with whatever you have on there now. And still have all the aftermarket support. !HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO! YUM

2001kx · March 22nd, 2008, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by STREET6

351W is my choice. I would only do the 460 if I had a bigger budget than you have and my main goal was to do something different. You rarely see this done(That's why parts are expensive). Otherwise you could make great power with the 351 with more aftermarket support.

Realy I see little advantage to a BB Ford in this situation. Plus someday out of college you could put a 427ci stroker kit in it (and any other parts you want because there are so many for small blocks) with whatever you have on there now. And still have all the aftermarket support. !HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO! YUM

the only advantage is tire shredding torque and a big smile

ajb4507 · March 22nd, 2008, 11:57 PM

Hey thanks for all the info. A lot of you make very valid points for the 351 but as for expensiveness i think you may be wrong. A slightly modified big block makes probably around 400 horse and around 475 ftlbs if not more. I know that i need to buy the motor mounts and the rear sump oil pan and dipstick but i need to buy all the same stuff for the 351 any way. I actually already started buying parts for the 460 a while ago but never really did anything with them. i have a set of cast iron C8VE heads that have bigger valves 2.19/1.76 and bought a comp cams K kit with a 252/261 cam that has
.460/.485 inches of lift. I know that this cam is basically stock, but that the beauty of a big block, the power is already there. And prices are very comparable to that of a 351. A performer intake from edelbrock is $196 for a 351 and $203 for a 460. There are also plenty of parts available for big blocks from pistons to roots chargers. Some one wrote before that not many people do a big block swap and that is part of the reason why I think every one is saying to do a 351. I know the extra wieght up front is going to decrease the handling of the car, but im not going to be auto crossing it.

I'm just saying that the BBF needs to get some respect and if you look around the parts are there. I will deffinetly take into acount all of your points and ill let you know about my decision. Feel free to keep posting if you have any information that you think i might find useful. Thanks again this forum ROCKS!!!

2001kx · March 23rd, 2008, 03:00 AM

heres some info from 460ford.com on motor builds / hp combo's for the 460ci engine

460ford.com :: View topic - 460 HP chart shakedown

ajb4507 · March 23rd, 2008, 09:07 PM

hey 2001kx that is a great link are you a member of ford460 forum cause i tried many times to register and i never get a conformation email. Also where do you live and how much are you selling the 460 for?

2001kx · March 23rd, 2008, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by ajb4507

hey 2001kx that is a great link are you a member of ford460 forum cause i tried many times to register and i never get a conformation email. Also where do you live and how much are you selling the 460 for?

yes i am a member there.
i want 350.00 for the motor.
im 40 miles west of st.college right off I-80

ajb4507 · March 23rd, 2008, 11:47 PM

could you describe the motor

2001kx · March 24th, 2008, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by ajb4507

could you describe the motor

i really dont know a whole lot about it as it came with my car when i purchased it.
it had a 550 lift cam but the cam does have at least one worn lobe.
it did run when pulled but it poped through the carb as the exhaust cam lobe is shot.
was told it was just rebuilt but you know how that goes?
but it did run good before the cam went.
he prob didnt break in the cam properly?
i would guess the motor made around 400 - 425 horse?
but like i said i basicly dont know a whole lot about it and i am not an engine builder thats for sure.

i had my other 460 prof. built.

e3sean · March 24th, 2008, 12:28 AM

a 351 would be the best for a budget motor.

ajb4507 · March 24th, 2008, 03:41 PM

a 351 swap makes the most sense but i would have to spend a lot of money on the motor and i still have to but a trans. a 460 with stock heads and a performer intake a holley carb and a mild cam can easily put out 400+ HP not to mention the torque. Edelbrock's alluminum heads are around 1200 dollars per pair the heads that i bought for the 460 were 60 bucks on ebay got them cleaned and installed the valves and rockers for less than $500

Israel · March 10th, 2011, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Iwannagofast

where did you see a stock 460 pushing 370 hp

I love digging up old threads, pretty impressive stock rating

460
Produced from 1968 to 1996.

Available in Ford, Mercury and Lincoln.

Same as 429, but with longer stroke. (3.85 inch)

During its earlier years, pre 1973, horsepower was rated at 365. After 1972 horsepower ranged from 208 to 275.

Intake/exhaust valves are 2.08/1.66

Intake/exhaust valves for the Police Interceptor 460 heads (from 1973-'74) measure 2.19/1.66

March 20th, 2008, 05:05 PM	#41
Speedstang302 I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.64@101mph Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Massachusetss Posts: 5,828 iTrader: 1 reviews	__________________ 1990 GT- GT40p Heads\| Anderson N41 cam\| Crane 1.6 RR's\| Trickflow Intake\|MGW Short Throw\| Aluminum d/s\| 3.73's.....still slow....

March 21st, 2008, 02:13 AM	#46
zers Regular 1965 Coupe Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 356 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea i think 18 mpg with a 351w with a carb is way on the optimistic side. I haven't tested it per-say, but if you drive it like you stole it (like I tend to with my 302) it gets a lot less than that. And what's the fun in having a fun car if you don't drive the shit out of it? __________________

March 21st, 2008, 04:03 AM	#48
zers Regular 1965 Coupe Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 356 iTrader: 0 reviews	I dunno everyone else keeps talking about it. I'd do the 351w on a budget though, cheaper parts, wider availability. In the long run it'll be cheaper, and on a poor college student budget that's good heh. __________________

March 21st, 2008, 09:47 AM	#49
built351w Regular 1979 mustang 5.0 hopefully 11's when complete Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 201 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'm building a car from the ground up now and I made the decision to go with a small block 351w. I know the lure of a big block is great, but everything gets WAY more expensive..... Trust me when I tell you there are sooooooooo many things that are gonna cost you money that you havn't thought of yet lol __________________ 1979 hatchback: -351w w/ 10.5:1 -Tremec TKO

March 22nd, 2008, 01:42 AM	#50
STREET6 Regular 1995 Mustang Coupe 3.8l Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Keizer, Oregon Posts: 146 iTrader: 0 reviews	351W is my choice. I would only do the 460 if I had a bigger budget than you have and my main goal was to do something different. You rarely see this done(That's why parts are expensive). Otherwise you could make great power with the 351 with more aftermarket support. Realy I see little advantage to a BB Ford in this situation. Plus someday out of college you could put a 427ci stroker kit in it (and any other parts you want because there are so many for small blocks) with whatever you have on there now. And still have all the aftermarket support. !HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO! YUM __________________ 1995 Mustang Coupe. 3.8l Auto. Bought for $800 and it shows. Swapping in 5.0l carbed. T5 Tranny. Goal 325HP.

March 21st, 2008, 02:02 AM	#45
2001kx Newbie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 41 iTrader: 0 reviews	go for the 460 (only because i did) i have one for sale if interested $350.00 needs cam mine is 550 hp and i would guess 8 mpg? also the 460 is 150 lbs heavier than small block i believe. also with the high rise intake you'll have hood clearance issues unless you can sit it in lower..i have a 5 inch cowl and it barely fits with the victor 460 intake. engine for sale still work in progress.

March 21st, 2008, 03:43 AM	#47
93hatch Banned 1992 Lx 11.39@119.24 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Az Posts: 11,644 iTrader: 0 reviews	im still confused as to why mpg keeps coming up so much... id bet money even with the 351 and a big ass carb you drive it decently hard dont expect over 10mpg

March 22nd, 2008, 11:57 PM	#52
ajb4507 Regular 1990 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bethlehem, PA Posts: 62 iTrader: 0 reviews	Hey thanks for all the info. A lot of you make very valid points for the 351 but as for expensiveness i think you may be wrong. A slightly modified big block makes probably around 400 horse and around 475 ftlbs if not more. I know that i need to buy the motor mounts and the rear sump oil pan and dipstick but i need to buy all the same stuff for the 351 any way. I actually already started buying parts for the 460 a while ago but never really did anything with them. i have a set of cast iron C8VE heads that have bigger valves 2.19/1.76 and bought a comp cams K kit with a 252/261 cam that has .460/.485 inches of lift. I know that this cam is basically stock, but that the beauty of a big block, the power is already there. And prices are very comparable to that of a 351. A performer intake from edelbrock is $196 for a 351 and $203 for a 460. There are also plenty of parts available for big blocks from pistons to roots chargers. Some one wrote before that not many people do a big block swap and that is part of the reason why I think every one is saying to do a 351. I know the extra wieght up front is going to decrease the handling of the car, but im not going to be auto crossing it. I'm just saying that the BBF needs to get some respect and if you look around the parts are there. I will deffinetly take into acount all of your points and ill let you know about my decision. Feel free to keep posting if you have any information that you think i might find useful. Thanks again this forum ROCKS!!! __________________ Sticks and stones may break my bones, but a Chevy will never pass me

March 23rd, 2008, 03:00 AM	#53
2001kx Newbie Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 41 iTrader: 0 reviews	heres some info from 460ford.com on motor builds / hp combo's for the 460ci engine 460ford.com :: View topic - 460 HP chart shakedown

March 23rd, 2008, 09:07 PM	#54
ajb4507 Regular 1990 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bethlehem, PA Posts: 62 iTrader: 0 reviews	hey 2001kx that is a great link are you a member of ford460 forum cause i tried many times to register and i never get a conformation email. Also where do you live and how much are you selling the 460 for? __________________ Sticks and stones may break my bones, but a Chevy will never pass me

March 23rd, 2008, 11:47 PM	#56
ajb4507 Regular 1990 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bethlehem, PA Posts: 62 iTrader: 0 reviews	could you describe the motor __________________ Sticks and stones may break my bones, but a Chevy will never pass me

March 24th, 2008, 12:28 AM	#58
e3sean I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1988 lx 9.68@142 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: goldsboro NC Posts: 5,609 iTrader: 0 reviews	a 351 would be the best for a budget motor. __________________

March 24th, 2008, 03:41 PM	#59
ajb4507 Regular 1990 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bethlehem, PA Posts: 62 iTrader: 0 reviews	a 351 swap makes the most sense but i would have to spend a lot of money on the motor and i still have to but a trans. a 460 with stock heads and a performer intake a holley carb and a mild cam can easily put out 400+ HP not to mention the torque. Edelbrock's alluminum heads are around 1200 dollars per pair the heads that i bought for the 460 were 60 bucks on ebay got them cleaned and installed the valves and rockers for less than $500 __________________ Sticks and stones may break my bones, but a Chevy will never pass me

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