A Few Questions (Belt Routing)

83five0 · October 30th, 2006, 11:44 PM

im new here on tha forum and i own a 83 5.0. i dont know if this is the right forum to ask this question but its the only 5.0 forum and i assume all 5-0's are the same. well im installing a cam into my motor and while i have the pulleys and all the other accesories off i want to take off the a/c and whatever that other thing is on the bottom left. it kind of looks like another a/c compressor or somethin of that sort. with those 2 deleted from the belt routing i found a new route for the belt but no way to relieve pressure or a way to make room to slide the belt on. could i just buy a tight belt and slide it on with a prybar?? or would that make the belt wear quicker because it has no slack? is there a bracket i can buy that i can drill holes in my heads for and have some way to make the belt tighter and looser?? ive only delt with chevys but always like mustangs and i know chevys the alternator slides back and forth. same way on 5-0?

83five0 · October 31st, 2006, 12:00 AM

i found some info about the a/c delete and i found out that that other thing is a smog pump and i think i will move my power steering to where the a/c is now but im still wondering is this the right forum for me to post in about my 83???

5-0stank · October 31st, 2006, 12:18 AM

this is the correct forum...and u can delete the smog pump, too

320hpPony? · October 31st, 2006, 01:16 AM

You'll prolly have to get an A/C delete kit so you can still use your tensioner pulley.

83five0 · October 31st, 2006, 10:33 AM

i can make some brackets out of the old brackets. im good at making new stuff out of old stuff. but i have heard something about moving the tensioner pulley to a different location??? im going to have to look at it a little bit more i know i can figure something out. if i have to get some new holes drilled in my heads now will be the time to do it because i am rebuilding them right now......hopefully the blow by is being caused from the valve guides and not the piston rings.

83 5.0 · November 1st, 2006, 06:44 AM

I didn't need to install the delete kit, hope this drawing helps, belt sizes may vary as I had to adapt my 83 alternator bracket to my 93 motor.

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83five0 · November 2nd, 2006, 01:43 AM

i dont want smog or a/c. just water pump alt. and ps. as it looks right now ill probably have to move the power steering to where the a/c is now. thanks for the help tho. i will have some pics of my car soon along with vids after i get the work done. its gonna look stock but be one mean SOB.

ken5_0 · May 2nd, 2007, 01:02 AM

Does this not make the waterpump run backwards?

8A_Honda · May 2nd, 2007, 01:13 AM

I'm wondering what size belt if you're bypassing the a/c and smog....or just bypassing the a/c even. I have a smog pump delete but wouldn't mind getting rid of it all together.

B.A.M302 · May 2nd, 2007, 03:37 AM

It is a bracket that bolts to your water pump and your top bolt pf your p/s pump that is in a triangular shape your tensioner is move there to eliminate the a/c and smog pump I have it. The belt size is 5060720DR. Basically a 72" belt.

8A_Honda · May 2nd, 2007, 10:02 AM

Where'd ya get it? Wondering also if it'll effect the belt if I go and get a KB s/c put on it. Things I have to keep in mind. Thanks.

B.A.M302 · May 2nd, 2007, 05:19 PM

Umm I dont know where it was bought from lol I bought it from a friend but I think he got it from brothersperformance.com . So check it out it a a/c eliminator bracket and I have no clue if its gonna mess with your s/c I wouldnt think that it would but I dont have one of those lol. But hey what do you have to lose.

ken5_0 · May 3rd, 2007, 12:20 AM

Once again... Will this not make the waterpump spin backwards?

8A_Honda · May 4th, 2007, 10:05 PM

No it won't. Follow the path of the belt if the crank was spinning one direction and you'll see that the waterpump will spin the same direction for all of the above diagrams.

neverfastenough · May 4th, 2007, 11:00 PM

No it won't spin backwards. The water pump spins counterclockwise. The diagram above shows the water pump spinning in the same counterclockwise direction in all three scenarios. It also has the correct belt length for all three scenarios. Your Ken Belle will or should have another crank pulley to bring the belt for the s/c fwd of the other belt. You don't have to delete kit your smog pump unless you are going to run the original belt, same for the a/c. A delete kit gives you a dummy pulley to make up for the missing pulley. At least I'll say all the ones I have seen do this. Maybe someone knows different. Now there might be a bracket you need to mnt the p/s where the a/c is, I don't know.

neverfastenough · May 4th, 2007, 11:02 PM

Sorry Honda i just repeated what you said, didn't read your whole post.

8A_Honda · May 4th, 2007, 11:05 PM

I already have a dummy pulley for the smog pump. I just wanna get rid of the pullies all together if the component is gone. Removing the a/c and smog pump pullies would be nice. Power steering has to stay though.

neverfastenough · May 4th, 2007, 11:23 PM

If you move your p/s pump to where the a/c is you should be able to use the 70.5 in belt the diagram calls for. It will also give you better accessibility to get to your p/s pump. You'll probably want to clean it up and paint it if it looks bad up there in plain view. Then you can just take the smog pump off and the a/c off with no dummy pulleys. If you don't move your p/s pump up to the a/c spot you will have to get an a/c delete kit because you might not have enough belt surface on the water pump routing your belt without it.

neverfastenough · May 4th, 2007, 11:28 PM

Come to think of it there is no way to route the belt if you don't have a pulley, either A/C delete or the P/S pump where the A/C is. You couldn't route it around your tensioner without it.

neverfastenough · May 4th, 2007, 11:53 PM

Steeda has the bracket needed to move the a/c up for 39.95. March performance has the bracket to move your idler pulley to the a/c position without moving your p/s pump for 46.87.

October 30th, 2006, 11:44 PM	#1
83five0 Regular 1983 GT UNKNOWN Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: MEMPHIS,TN Posts: 126	A Few Questions (Belt Routing) im new here on tha forum and i own a 83 5.0. i dont know if this is the right forum to ask this question but its the only 5.0 forum and i assume all 5-0's are the same. well im installing a cam into my motor and while i have the pulleys and all the other accesories off i want to take off the a/c and whatever that other thing is on the bottom left. it kind of looks like another a/c compressor or somethin of that sort. with those 2 deleted from the belt routing i found a new route for the belt but no way to relieve pressure or a way to make room to slide the belt on. could i just buy a tight belt and slide it on with a prybar?? or would that make the belt wear quicker because it has no slack? is there a bracket i can buy that i can drill holes in my heads for and have some way to make the belt tighter and looser?? ive only delt with chevys but always like mustangs and i know chevys the alternator slides back and forth. same way on 5-0? __________________ 1983 FOX BODY-LIL SOMTHIN IN PROGRESS

October 31st, 2006, 12:00 AM	#2
83five0 Regular 1983 GT UNKNOWN Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: MEMPHIS,TN Posts: 126	i found some info about the a/c delete and i found out that that other thing is a smog pump and i think i will move my power steering to where the a/c is now but im still wondering is this the right forum for me to post in about my 83??? __________________ 1983 FOX BODY-LIL SOMTHIN IN PROGRESS

October 31st, 2006, 12:18 AM	#3
5-0stank Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: emmaus, pa Posts: 508	this is the correct forum...and u can delete the smog pump, too __________________ 1995 GT::Sold! Looking for another stang...

October 31st, 2006, 01:16 AM	#4
320hpPony? Regular Join Date: May 2006 Location: jacksonville,FL Posts: 188	You'll prolly have to get an A/C delete kit so you can still use your tensioner pulley. __________________ Yeah, its ugly, but hot damn its fast! Got 2 camaro SS's and 1 LT1 vette under mah belt in it!

October 31st, 2006, 10:33 AM	#5
83five0 Regular 1983 GT UNKNOWN Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: MEMPHIS,TN Posts: 126	i can make some brackets out of the old brackets. im good at making new stuff out of old stuff. but i have heard something about moving the tensioner pulley to a different location??? im going to have to look at it a little bit more i know i can figure something out. if i have to get some new holes drilled in my heads now will be the time to do it because i am rebuilding them right now......hopefully the blow by is being caused from the valve guides and not the piston rings. __________________ 1983 FOX BODY-LIL SOMTHIN IN PROGRESS

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November 2nd, 2006, 01:43 AM	#7
83five0 Regular 1983 GT UNKNOWN Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: MEMPHIS,TN Posts: 126	i dont want smog or a/c. just water pump alt. and ps. as it looks right now ill probably have to move the power steering to where the a/c is now. thanks for the help tho. i will have some pics of my car soon along with vids after i get the work done. its gonna look stock but be one mean SOB. __________________ 1983 FOX BODY-LIL SOMTHIN IN PROGRESS

May 2nd, 2007, 01:02 AM	#8
ken5_0 Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 192	Does this not make the waterpump run backwards?

May 2nd, 2007, 01:13 AM	#9
8A_Honda Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 304	I'm wondering what size belt if you're bypassing the a/c and smog....or just bypassing the a/c even. I have a smog pump delete but wouldn't mind getting rid of it all together. __________________ http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e6...yofMustang.jpg

May 2nd, 2007, 03:37 AM	#10
B.A.M302 Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: maryland Posts: 89	It is a bracket that bolts to your water pump and your top bolt pf your p/s pump that is in a triangular shape your tensioner is move there to eliminate the a/c and smog pump I have it. The belt size is 5060720DR. Basically a 72" belt. __________________ Crate 302, Trick Flow Intake R, 75mm MAF, bbk 75mm throttle body, bbk 76mm EGR spacer, 351 Winsor heads ported and polished by Bennet Racing, Lunati cam, 30 pd. Injectors, TKO 500, aluminum drive shaft, bbk mid length headers, bbk off road H pipe, 3:55,

May 2nd, 2007, 10:02 AM	#11
8A_Honda Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 304	Where'd ya get it? Wondering also if it'll effect the belt if I go and get a KB s/c put on it. Things I have to keep in mind. Thanks. __________________ http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e6...yofMustang.jpg

May 2nd, 2007, 05:19 PM	#12
B.A.M302 Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: maryland Posts: 89	Umm I dont know where it was bought from lol I bought it from a friend but I think he got it from brothersperformance.com . So check it out it a a/c eliminator bracket and I have no clue if its gonna mess with your s/c I wouldnt think that it would but I dont have one of those lol. But hey what do you have to lose. __________________ Crate 302, Trick Flow Intake R, 75mm MAF, bbk 75mm throttle body, bbk 76mm EGR spacer, 351 Winsor heads ported and polished by Bennet Racing, Lunati cam, 30 pd. Injectors, TKO 500, aluminum drive shaft, bbk mid length headers, bbk off road H pipe, 3:55,

May 3rd, 2007, 12:20 AM	#13
ken5_0 Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 192	Once again... Will this not make the waterpump spin backwards?

May 4th, 2007, 10:05 PM	#14
8A_Honda Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 304	No it won't. Follow the path of the belt if the crank was spinning one direction and you'll see that the waterpump will spin the same direction for all of the above diagrams. __________________ http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e6...yofMustang.jpg

May 4th, 2007, 11:00 PM	#15
neverfastenough Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: FOB Salerno, Afghanistan Posts: 137	No it won't spin backwards. The water pump spins counterclockwise. The diagram above shows the water pump spinning in the same counterclockwise direction in all three scenarios. It also has the correct belt length for all three scenarios. Your Ken Belle will or should have another crank pulley to bring the belt for the s/c fwd of the other belt. You don't have to delete kit your smog pump unless you are going to run the original belt, same for the a/c. A delete kit gives you a dummy pulley to make up for the missing pulley. At least I'll say all the ones I have seen do this. Maybe someone knows different. Now there might be a bracket you need to mnt the p/s where the a/c is, I don't know.

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May 4th, 2007, 11:02 PM	#16
neverfastenough Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: FOB Salerno, Afghanistan Posts: 137	Sorry Honda i just repeated what you said, didn't read your whole post.

May 4th, 2007, 11:05 PM	#17
8A_Honda Regular Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 304	I already have a dummy pulley for the smog pump. I just wanna get rid of the pullies all together if the component is gone. Removing the a/c and smog pump pullies would be nice. Power steering has to stay though. __________________ http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e6...yofMustang.jpg

May 4th, 2007, 11:23 PM	#18
neverfastenough Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: FOB Salerno, Afghanistan Posts: 137	If you move your p/s pump to where the a/c is you should be able to use the 70.5 in belt the diagram calls for. It will also give you better accessibility to get to your p/s pump. You'll probably want to clean it up and paint it if it looks bad up there in plain view. Then you can just take the smog pump off and the a/c off with no dummy pulleys. If you don't move your p/s pump up to the a/c spot you will have to get an a/c delete kit because you might not have enough belt surface on the water pump routing your belt without it.

May 4th, 2007, 11:28 PM	#19
neverfastenough Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: FOB Salerno, Afghanistan Posts: 137	Come to think of it there is no way to route the belt if you don't have a pulley, either A/C delete or the P/S pump where the A/C is. You couldn't route it around your tensioner without it.

May 4th, 2007, 11:53 PM	#20
neverfastenough Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: FOB Salerno, Afghanistan Posts: 137	Steeda has the bracket needed to move the a/c up for 39.95. March performance has the bracket to move your idler pulley to the a/c position without moving your p/s pump for 46.87.