The carb setup

dag545 · May 24th, 2008, 09:58 AM

Hey how’s everyone’s Stang doing? I haven’t talked on the site in a while. I’ve been in the process of moving. I have a question to whoever has carbureted there 5.0 and please don’t start jumping on me about it yet, let me explain lol. I’m living in WV and there is no place to get a good tune at all (AT ALL). Besides me working my regular job, I work at advance auto parts and I have talked to way too many performance guys and one or two girls. They all have said take the car back down to where I’m from in Virginia Beach and get it done there.

So for my conclusion, the EFI it is going to cost me a lot more cash than it would be to do a carb set up. It’s not an everyday driver; it’s my toy to play around with. A carb setup will give me a lot more options in swapping parts in and out later down the road. The only thing stock is the bottom end. I recently purchased the Weiand X-Celerator intake and the MSD distributor w/steel gear and the MSD 6AL from advanced auto. (My 20% employee discount helps, and to me that’s another reason why it’s cheaper going carbureted) The machine shop ported my heads to my intake. I am thinking about going with the holly 600 street carb with an inline electric pump with regular. Let me know what you think about all this. And for my last question, after I pull my fuel pump out of the tank how would you go about fabricating your pickup lines for the fuel.

stangage · May 24th, 2008, 10:28 AM

carb is the way to go for what you want to do with it...the holley should be fine..i dont know how far you want to go or what your plans are but as far as setting up the fuel you might want to get a cell..like i said i dont know what you want to do in the future but it is for sure the easiest way..

86_Notch · May 24th, 2008, 09:12 PM

get a 650 mechanical secondary holley carb. NO IT'S NOT TOO BIG it'll run perfect and it won't be any worse on gas then a vacuum carb providing you can keep your foot out of it . I've converted more then 1 5.0 to a carb and the 650 DP has never let me down from stock motors to ones that would trap 113 mph

wade95 · May 25th, 2008, 12:28 PM

I'm going to leave my electric fuel pump (255 walboro) in the tank when I convert. Just buy a GOOD regulator and run a bigger fuel line for a return to the tank. Carbs are about fuel volume and not pressure. Just the opposite w/EFI. There's a guy in my club running a professionally built 331 w/his electric EFI pump, but runs a good regulator and bigger return line.

ujslost · May 25th, 2008, 03:50 PM

You either have to take the intank pump out of the fuel pump hanger and replace with a piece of rubber hose (what i usually do) or buy the conversion hanger from granetelli for like $100 which is basically what I done with the rubber hose cept they use a metal line. Then mount you a holley blue fuel pump with a regulator and fuel system is done there. I have never heard of anyone using the efi pump with the carb.
I like holley but not a fan of DP on these engines. I have a 600, but think you might be better suited with a 670 street avenger.

JBIGBOOTSY · May 25th, 2008, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by wade95

I'm going to leave my electric fuel pump (255 walboro) in the tank when I convert. Just buy a GOOD regulator and run a bigger fuel line for a return to the tank. Carbs are about fuel volume and not pressure. Just the opposite w/EFI. There's a guy in my club running a professionally built 331 w/his electric EFI pump, but runs a good regulator and bigger return line.

You only have to make up a bigger returnline if your pressure creeps up.

JBIGBOOTSY · May 25th, 2008, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by ujslost

You either have to take the intank pump out of the fuel pump hanger and replace with a piece of rubber hose (what i usually do) or buy the conversion hanger from granetelli for like $100 which is basically what I done with the rubber hose cept they use a metal line. Then mount you a holley blue fuel pump with a regulator and fuel system is done there. I have never heard of anyone using the efi pump with the carb.
I like holley but not a fan of DP on these engines. I have a 600, but think you might be better suited with a 670 street avenger.

Any return style FPR(carb pressure) will work with a intank EFI pump, and a carb.

dag545 · May 27th, 2008, 01:56 AM

Everyone I have talked to said that I haft to take out my in tank pump and either buy the $100 or so kit or fabricate the lines. Which is the right/better way to go? To me, taking out the efi pump is the best way to do it. Will a 670 be too big? I definitely don’t want to go too big. I want to do it right. My duration of my cam is 226, the carb I was looking at said it was able to perform up to a 230 duration. What is your thoughts???

ujslost · May 27th, 2008, 07:53 AM

I personally have never seen the efi pump used on a carbed car.
I am using a 4160 holley 600 on my car. That or the street avenger 670 should be plenty for you. Look on holleys site they have a thing on there that help you choose what carb will be best for you.

1slo5.0 · May 27th, 2008, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by dag545

Hey how’s everyone’s Stang doing? I haven’t talked on the site in a while. I’ve been in the process of moving. I have a question to whoever has carbureted there 5.0 and please don’t start jumping on me about it yet, let me explain lol. I’m living in WV and there is no place to get a good tune at all (AT ALL). Besides me working my regular job, I work at advance auto parts and I have talked to way too many performance guys and one or two girls. They all have said take the car back down to where I’m from in Virginia Beach and get it done there.

So for my conclusion, the EFI it is going to cost me a lot more cash than it would be to do a carb set up. It’s not an everyday driver; it’s my toy to play around with. A carb setup will give me a lot more options in swapping parts in and out later down the road. The only thing stock is the bottom end. I recently purchased the Weiand X-Celerator intake and the MSD distributor w/steel gear and the MSD 6AL from advanced auto. (My 20% employee discount helps, and to me that’s another reason why it’s cheaper going carbureted) The machine shop ported my heads to my intake. I am thinking about going with the holly 600 street carb with an inline electric pump with regular. Let me know what you think about all this. And for my last question, after I pull my fuel pump out of the tank how would you go about fabricating your pickup lines for the fuel.

I don't know who is telling you that you need to go get some super expensive crazy tune if you have EFI but it is bullshit. On a mild combination you don't need to do anything other than adjust timing and fuel pressure one time. I've gone 10.50s with the stock Ford EFI system and never had to touch anything besides the initial timing and fuel pressure adjustments. EFI is simple to use and is turn the key and go.

Going to a carb is going to cost you money. The carb, intake, regulator, fuel lines, distributor,throttle cable, etc is all going to cost money. Not to mention the loss of low end power. But if you are stuck on doing it then you will need to purchase a few things. You don't need to do anything with your fuel pump or tank. Aeromotive makes a regulator that will allow you to use the EFI fuel pump for a carbureted application. Using the Aeromotive regulator will save you alot of hassle.

trueblue01 · May 27th, 2008, 08:56 AM

As long as you use a by pass regulator you can leave the intank fuel pump. I personally remove the intank and modify the pickup and run a Holley Black with their regulator.

83fox · May 27th, 2008, 09:01 AM

a barry grant 575 or 650 speed demon would also be a good carb. if your setup isnt all that modified go with the 575, too much of a carburator can be a bad thing.

teal89 · May 27th, 2008, 02:38 PM

Carb - $120.00
Intake - $130.00
Fuel lines - $10.00
Throttle Cable - Use the one you have. Will work with bracket that connected to the intake

Throttle cable bracket - $10.00
Return Spring - $5.00

A Few hundred bucks and a little research, you will have your parts without spending thousands and not even close to $400 bucks, depending on your particular setup. To tell the truth, it's good they have EFI pump to carb setup for the pump but to be honest, just take your pickup tube out, remove the pump and install a fuel line that will be to the bottom of the tank or better yet, scratch all of that...

Get a fuel sump. It's like $20.00 on ebay and go to your weld shop or if you have one, weld it in the dead center of the tank which the sumps are made for your application and just by your lines and your aN fittings. Should cost you no more than $40.00 total. Then get your Fuel pump so we're talking a mere $160.00 average. Pressure will creep up on you and you will have constant carb flooding and will piss you off daily. Maybe piss you off by the minute.

ujslost · May 27th, 2008, 04:18 PM

yeah, i dont know where they hell your getting a good carb for $120, maybe from a yard sale

ujslost · May 27th, 2008, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by teal89

Pressure will creep up on you and you will have constant carb flooding and will piss you off daily. Maybe piss you off by the minute.

No it wont. WTF you getting your information from?

86gtconvert · May 27th, 2008, 04:48 PM

i say mechanical with a stick,vacum carb with a automatic,unless you can tune a carb pretty good..

teal89 · May 28th, 2008, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by ujslost

yeah, i dont know where they hell your getting a good carb for $120, maybe from a yard sale

Craigslist.com, already got it;-)

Also, I am getting my information from experience. I had a particular setup using the efi pump and an Aeromotive regulator. Sooner or later you will get to much gas into the carb and end up flooding it. My experience so I have every right to say what I said. If it's wrong then simple mistake. So explain how that can be resolved. What regulator can be used with an efi pump for carb'd vehicles?

Iownastang · May 28th, 2008, 01:46 AM

Damn you say their is something wrong with everything you get or have seen, First its trick flow now aeromotive.

Iownastang · May 28th, 2008, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by teal89

Craigslist.com, already got it;-)

Also, I am getting my information from experience. I had a particular setup using the efi pump and an Aeromotive regulator. Sooner or later you will get to much gas into the carb and end up flooding it. My experience so I have every right to say what I said. If it's wrong then simple mistake. So explain how that can be resolved. What regulator can be used with an efi pump for carb'd vehicles?

what regulator were you using? I would like to see a part number if you dont care

ujslost · May 28th, 2008, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by teal89

Craigslist.com, already got it;-)

Also, I am getting my information from experience. I had a particular setup using the efi pump and an Aeromotive regulator. Sooner or later you will get to much gas into the carb and end up flooding it. My experience so I have every right to say what I said. If it's wrong then simple mistake. So explain how that can be resolved. What regulator can be used with an efi pump for carb'd vehicles?

Nope. Simple mistake on my part. I didnt realize you were talking about pressure creeping with efi pump. I thought you were saying that having the tank sumped and getting a pump such as a holley blue is when you were having pressure creeping up.
If you found a carb for the price thats good. THen good find! Way to shop around is what I say.

May 24th, 2008, 09:58 AM	#1
dag545 Regular 1995 Mustang GT N/A Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 102 iTrader: 0 reviews	The carb setup Hey how’s everyone’s Stang doing? I haven’t talked on the site in a while. I’ve been in the process of moving. I have a question to whoever has carbureted there 5.0 and please don’t start jumping on me about it yet, let me explain lol. I’m living in WV and there is no place to get a good tune at all (AT ALL). Besides me working my regular job, I work at advance auto parts and I have talked to way too many performance guys and one or two girls. They all have said take the car back down to where I’m from in Virginia Beach and get it done there. So for my conclusion, the EFI it is going to cost me a lot more cash than it would be to do a carb set up. It’s not an everyday driver; it’s my toy to play around with. A carb setup will give me a lot more options in swapping parts in and out later down the road. The only thing stock is the bottom end. I recently purchased the Weiand X-Celerator intake and the MSD distributor w/steel gear and the MSD 6AL from advanced auto. (My 20% employee discount helps, and to me that’s another reason why it’s cheaper going carbureted) The machine shop ported my heads to my intake. I am thinking about going with the holly 600 street carb with an inline electric pump with regular. Let me know what you think about all this. And for my last question, after I pull my fuel pump out of the tank how would you go about fabricating your pickup lines for the fuel.

May 24th, 2008, 10:28 AM	#2
stangage Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 283 iTrader: 0 reviews	carb is the way to go for what you want to do with it...the holley should be fine..i dont know how far you want to go or what your plans are but as far as setting up the fuel you might want to get a cell..like i said i dont know what you want to do in the future but it is for sure the easiest way.. __________________ "That old Ford sure fast on the draw out run the Chevys and out run the law"

May 24th, 2008, 09:12 PM	#3
86_Notch Hardcore Enthusiast 1986 lx notch 9.98 @ 135 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delaware Posts: 1,522 iTrader: 0 reviews	get a 650 mechanical secondary holley carb. NO IT'S NOT TOO BIG it'll run perfect and it won't be any worse on gas then a vacuum carb providing you can keep your foot out of it . I've converted more then 1 5.0 to a carb and the 650 DP has never let me down from stock motors to ones that would trap 113 mph __________________ " Spending money I don't have.... on things I don't need .... to impress people I don't know " .

May 25th, 2008, 12:28 PM	#4
wade95 Regular 87 'Stang 13.1@105 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Tarpon Springs, FL, USA Posts: 56 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'm going to leave my electric fuel pump (255 walboro) in the tank when I convert. Just buy a GOOD regulator and run a bigger fuel line for a return to the tank. Carbs are about fuel volume and not pressure. Just the opposite w/EFI. There's a guy in my club running a professionally built 331 w/his electric EFI pump, but runs a good regulator and bigger return line. __________________ 87 Hatch. Holley Systemax Kit. F cam. No AC, PS and front swaybar. Built rearend. 310hp/308tq.

May 25th, 2008, 03:50 PM	#5
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,920 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	You either have to take the intank pump out of the fuel pump hanger and replace with a piece of rubber hose (what i usually do) or buy the conversion hanger from granetelli for like $100 which is basically what I done with the rubber hose cept they use a metal line. Then mount you a holley blue fuel pump with a regulator and fuel system is done there. I have never heard of anyone using the efi pump with the carb. I like holley but not a fan of DP on these engines. I have a 600, but think you might be better suited with a 670 street avenger. __________________ 1986 Mustang GT t-top time piece!

May 27th, 2008, 01:56 AM	#8
dag545 Regular 1995 Mustang GT N/A Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 102 iTrader: 0 reviews	Everyone I have talked to said that I haft to take out my in tank pump and either buy the $100 or so kit or fabricate the lines. Which is the right/better way to go? To me, taking out the efi pump is the best way to do it. Will a 670 be too big? I definitely don’t want to go too big. I want to do it right. My duration of my cam is 226, the carb I was looking at said it was able to perform up to a 230 duration. What is your thoughts???

May 27th, 2008, 07:53 AM	#9
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,920 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	I personally have never seen the efi pump used on a carbed car. I am using a 4160 holley 600 on my car. That or the street avenger 670 should be plenty for you. Look on holleys site they have a thing on there that help you choose what carb will be best for you. __________________ 1986 Mustang GT t-top time piece!

May 27th, 2008, 08:56 AM	#11
trueblue01 Enthusiast 1989 Mustang LX 10.98@126.7 NA Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: N.E. Ohio Posts: 698 iTrader: 0 reviews	As long as you use a by pass regulator you can leave the intank fuel pump. I personally remove the intank and modify the pickup and run a Holley Black with their regulator. __________________ Never fast enough.

May 27th, 2008, 09:01 AM	#12
83fox Enthusiast 1983 mustang lx Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 504 iTrader: 0 reviews	a barry grant 575 or 650 speed demon would also be a good carb. if your setup isnt all that modified go with the 575, too much of a carburator can be a bad thing.

May 27th, 2008, 02:38 PM	#13
teal89 Enthusiast 89 Mustang Lx Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rockwall, Texas Posts: 527 iTrader: 0 reviews	Carb - $120.00 Intake - $130.00 Fuel lines - $10.00 Throttle Cable - Use the one you have. Will work with bracket that connected to the intake Throttle cable bracket - $10.00 Return Spring - $5.00 A Few hundred bucks and a little research, you will have your parts without spending thousands and not even close to $400 bucks, depending on your particular setup. To tell the truth, it's good they have EFI pump to carb setup for the pump but to be honest, just take your pickup tube out, remove the pump and install a fuel line that will be to the bottom of the tank or better yet, scratch all of that... Get a fuel sump. It's like $20.00 on ebay and go to your weld shop or if you have one, weld it in the dead center of the tank which the sumps are made for your application and just by your lines and your aN fittings. Should cost you no more than $40.00 total. Then get your Fuel pump so we're talking a mere $160.00 average. Pressure will creep up on you and you will have constant carb flooding and will piss you off daily. Maybe piss you off by the minute. __________________ 94-95 306, B-Cam, Off-brand BBK Like Headers, H-Pipe, 3.73's, Nitrous Wet Shot 175 Shot Last edited by teal89; May 27th, 2008 at 02:43 PM.

May 27th, 2008, 04:18 PM	#14
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,920 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	yeah, i dont know where they hell your getting a good carb for $120, maybe from a yard sale __________________ 1986 Mustang GT t-top time piece!

May 27th, 2008, 04:48 PM	#16
86gtconvert Regular 1986 mustang gt convert Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: wyoming Posts: 72 iTrader: 0 reviews	i say mechanical with a stick,vacum carb with a automatic,unless you can tune a carb pretty good..

May 28th, 2008, 01:46 AM	#18
Iownastang I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1987 ford mustang gt well see when shes done Join Date: May 2007 Location: mascot, tn Posts: 5,020 iTrader: 0 reviews	Damn you say their is something wrong with everything you get or have seen, First its trick flow now aeromotive.

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