[82GT]

Your dyno sheet only proved what I've been saying. The longtubes only had about a 9hp advantage throughout the pull over the unequals and both sets flattened out at the same rpm.

9hp won't even register on the "seat of pants" meter!

We're never going to see eye to eye on this one so we may as well call it quits.

[TENGRAM]

Originally Posted by 82GT Your dyno sheet only proved what I've been saying. The longtubes only had about a 9hp advantage throughout the pull over the unequals and both sets flattened out at the same rpm. 9hp won't even register on the "seat of pants" meter! We're never going to see eye to eye on this one so we may as well call it quits.

more horsepower at 2000rpms will definitely be felt by the butt dyno. at low rpms, when only dealing with a hundred hp, every hp more is noticeable. that there is the reason why longtubes are great for the street. the low-end power afforded by the longer primaries makes a street car much more fun. besides that, the graph didn't even show torque. i bet the torque was way up, particularly at low rpms. torque is king on the street...reason why we're not all getting dusted by acuras. if you don't want more torque and more power that's up to you, but this hobby and this site cater to those that want more from their ponies.

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by 82GT Your dyno sheet only proved what I've been saying. The longtubes only had about a 9hp advantage throughout the pull over the unequals and both sets flattened out at the same rpm. 9hp won't even register on the "seat of pants" meter! We're never going to see eye to eye on this one so we may as well call it quits.

9hp where? They made more horsepower across the entire RPM range and 14hp more at 6000 rpm.


Call what quits? All I'm doing is stating facts.

[Tony_90fox]

Originally Posted by 82GT Your dyno sheet only proved what I've been saying. The longtubes only had about a 9hp advantage throughout the pull over the unequals and both sets flattened out at the same rpm. 9hp won't even register on the "seat of pants" meter! We're never going to see eye to eye on this one so we may as well call it quits.

You are arguing because for some reason, you believe shorties are easier to put on, and longtubes arent worth the effort. That would be opinion. Darrell has posted a dyno sheet, which happens to be FACT! Unless he somehow made that sheet on his computer just to make us all waste our money on longtubes because he wants to keep all the shorties to himself.
Thats it isnt it Darrell? You just want to hog all the shorties!

[1slo5.0]

Yes, I want to keep all the shorties to myself!

[82GT]

It's also opinion if people, like myself, decide 9hp is worth swapping shorties out for.
I don't care what you do with the shorties, you can stick them up your a$$ for all I care! You might have to get your head out of there first to get them to fit !

[Fastpitchdad]

well well well,,,hasnt this thread turned nasty,,,

why is it so hard for someone(82gt) to take another persons advice(darrell),from what i can see,,,darrell is well informed about fox bodies


just my 2cents

[Tony_90fox]

I don't know about that last comment. Some people might have a big ass! But hey man, none of us really gives a crap about what you do with your headers. Its not just 9 HP that some people are wanting. Its the sound as well. But a guy in the 9s doesnt know a thing about these mustangs does he? No, he doesnt man, the stuff he is saying is just myths that he has picked up on Import sites and decided to mess with us! LOL, Darrell, you really need to stop doing this. You are making 82GT mad! I really thought this topic was over long ago but 82GT really wants to keep his shorties. I think you have just convinced me to get shorties man. Thanks. LOL

[Fastpitchdad]

<----------i'm jumpin on the Shorty band wagon,,,,put me down for a set,,
oh,,,first i have to sell my longtubes,,damn....can anyone spot me a set of shorties,,,

[82GT]

I didn't know Darrel was the "master" of mustangs!
We shouldn't even have a message board then; we should all just email him with questions. God forbid that someone else has opinions that differ from his!
His own proof even showed that shorties were only 9hp behind the longs throughout the dyno pull and YET he still continues to argue.
To ME, 9HP is not worth the effort. I can probably find another 9hp in just
my tune.

Besides, I'm not the dude that was asking about them in the first place.
It was nine-dee coupe that was asking.

[82GT]

Originally Posted by Fastpitchdad well well well,,,hasnt this thread turned nasty,,, why is it so hard for someone(82gt) to take another persons advice(darrell),from what i can see,,,darrell is well informed about fox bodies just my 2cents

I tried to end this argument several posts ago but I guess other wanted it to continue.

[Tony_90fox]

Originally Posted by 82GT I didn't know Darrel was the "master" of mustangs! We shouldn't even have a message board then; we should all just email him with questions. God forbid that someone else has opinions that differ from his! His own proof even showed that shorties were only 9hp behind the longs throughout the dyno pull and YET he still continues to argue. To ME, 9HP is not worth the effort. I can probably find another 9hp in just my tune. Besides, I'm not the dude that was asking about them in the first place. It was nine-dee coupe that was asking.

How about getting long tubes and a tune. Thats 9+ HP, plus its more than nine, somebody pointed that out.

No, Darrell isnt the "master". But you even have to agree that a guy in the nines knows his shit, and he has given proof. Its not just a few people giving the vote to longtubes. Look at the first page and read it again. You are the only one saying you will never swap to longtubes.

[82GT]

I don't think anyone has read ALL my posts. I said that I would recommend longs to someone that was building an 11 second car or quicker. For somone wanting to build a mild vehical(300-325hp) I don't see the need or expense of the longs.
There's a place for longs and place for shorties.
In my situation, I need better heads before I need to switch to longtubes.
When I get my new heads, I will be in the 11's easily.....with shorties.

You could then say "Why not get new heads AND longtubes?" My reason would be because I want to stay above 11.49 because I don't want to install a cage.
So you see....longtubes are NOT needed by EVERYONE. That was my whole point regardless of the facts that longs are better than shorties(marginally)

[Tony_90fox]

There's a place for longs and place for shorties.


Really? i didnt know that there was a set place for either! you can have a stock mustang with just longtubes, h pipe and mufflers! Thats above 11.49 isnt it? Yes, it is.

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by 82GT It's also opinion if people, like myself, decide 9hp is worth swapping shorties out for. I don't care what you do with the shorties, you can stick them up your a$$ for all I care! You might have to get your head out of there first to get them to fit !

Nice! You must be about 20 years old. Your intelligence and experience shows.

Originally Posted by 82GT I didn't know Darrel was the "master" of mustangs! We shouldn't even have a message board then; we should all just email him with questions. God forbid that someone else has opinions that differ from his! His own proof even showed that shorties were only 9hp behind the longs throughout the dyno pull and YET he still continues to argue. To ME, 9HP is not worth the effort. I can probably find another 9hp in just my tune. Besides, I'm not the dude that was asking about them in the first place. It was nine-dee coupe that was asking.

Where do you keep coming up with this 9hp crap? As for arguing, like I said before I am stating facts. You are arguing and making yourself look like a jackass. If I remember right you were the one in another post asking how to get more out of your combination. But since you have all of this vast experience and know everything then I guess you don't need to ask. Run whatever headers you want. I'm sure you will make the best choice.

[1slo5.0]

Why would you have a 351W if you don't want to go faster than 11.49 when you can easily run that fast with a 302?



I am far from the "master" but I've built more Mustangs than I have fingers and toes to count them on. I've also run fast enough for people to disbelieve my combinations which has to tell you I'm doing something right. I'm sharing information based on experience. Those that don't like it or don't agree with it can choose not to read it.

[82GT]

Originally Posted by Darrell If I remember right you were the one in another post asking how to get more out of your combination. But since you have all of this vast experience and know everything then I guess you don't need to ask. Run whatever headers you want. I'm sure you will make the best choice.

I never said knew ALL the answers. I've learned a lot though and still learning. I'm older than 20yrs old BTW.
Just because you run 9's doesn't make you a knowledge fountain. Anyone can find out what they need and build a 9 second ride........if they have the money.
For all I know, you could have bought your ride and not built it.

[Tony_90fox]

okay lets forget I said the "9" second thing. Because you could be right about somebody just buying a car like that, but thats not the case with most people on here. They buy the stuff and build it. And you are just a newbie who is acting immature for his age if you are older than twenty. hey man, i am 19. And once again, nobody said darrell was the knowledge fountain or master of the mustangs. stop being a douche and just learn some things on this site.

[82GT]

Originally Posted by Tony_90fox stop being a douche and just learn some things on this site.

I don't see myself learning much, if anything, from THIS site.
I know this is going to break everyones heart but you probably won't see too much more of me around here....I know...I know...but you'll get over it.

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by 82GT I never said knew ALL the answers. I've learned a lot though and still learning. I'm older than 20yrs old BTW. Just because you run 9's doesn't make you a knowledge fountain. Anyone can find out what they need and build a 9 second ride........if they have the money. For all I know, you could have bought your ride and not built it.

I built it just like every other car I've owned. Money? I have $15,000 in my car total. A good combination of parts and a good working chassis is what makes it as fast as it is, not money. I built this one too. http://videos.mustangvideos.net/vide...61000cc0dd.htm

3300+ pound daily driver 5 liter with power steering and A/C. 11.50s all day long.