[ninedee-coupe]

hey guys im planning on buying a pair of headers, my friends has a good price of 300$ cdn for a pair for ceramic coated short tubes.. i know long tubes are better but i cant afford them lol low budget... i was wondering if anyone knew the main differences between short and long tube headers performance wise and sound.. thanks guys

[ninedee-coupe]

from my understanding short tubes deliver almost stock horsepower and they sound a lil bit less agressive

[ninedee-coupe]

im looking on the net and i cant find much.....

[ninedee-coupe]

kk i learned that short tubes make more power with anything below 350hp which isnt bad concidering im going to be stock.. it pull 185 to the wheels with the short tubes not bad...

[Tony_90fox]

185 at the wheels, what do you have? And it would be a good idea to save money if u want sound and performance, it would be well worth it. you will put the shorties on and most likely not feel that much of a difference and then want long tubes. no since in doing the work twice, but if you want shorties, then go for it man!

[1slo5.0]

Do a search and you will find we just discussed this topic. Aftermarket shorties don't make any more power than stock shorties. That has been proven on a dyno. Don't waste your money on shorties.

[cali 5.0]

yeh longtubes are the way to go.. i wish tht i would hav gotten them instead of shorties but o well....

[03svtsnakevert]

another vote here for longtubes

[88mstang]

longtubes

[patboy]

Does anyone know where there is some information about shorties not making more horsepower than the stock exhaust manifolds?

to be more specific im looking for dyno runs testing longtube and shorties

[Tony_90fox]

Originally Posted by Darrell Do a search and you will find we just discussed this topic. Aftermarket shorties don't make any more power than stock shorties. That has been proven on a dyno. Don't waste your money on shorties.

read this again. None of us would lie. They dont deliver that much more than stock.

[OTreborO]

Originally Posted by Tony_90fox Originally Posted by Darrell Do a search and you will find we just discussed this topic. Aftermarket shorties don't make any more power than stock shorties. That has been proven on a dyno. Don't waste your money on shorties. read this again. None of us would lie. They dont deliver that much more than stock.

Actually I will lie if I think I can speak intelligently about something enough to fool someone, but usually I can't speak intelligently

Damn I am bored today, bet ya couldn't tell

Future Post Whore in the making..........................

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by patboy Does anyone know where there is some information about shorties not making more horsepower than the stock exhaust manifolds? to be more specific im looking for dyno runs testing longtube and shorties

http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...ing+dyno+myths

[82GT]

Originally Posted by Darrell Do a search and you will find we just discussed this topic. Aftermarket shorties don't make any more power than stock shorties. That has been proven on a dyno. Don't waste your money on shorties.

That's not true. Did you ever see the kinks in a stock set of shorties not to mention their small diameter pipes?
My BBK 1 5/8 shorties are waaaaay better than ANY stock set of shorty headers. They are mandrel bent and have larger pipes.
Yes, longtubes make more power but PLEASE don't claim shorties don't make any more power than stock ones.

[Tony_90fox]

how much HP did you gain. if its 5 HP, that is little to none.

[82GT]

I didn't have it dynoed but I've seen guys running 11's with shorties.
Shorties generally make more mid to upper power and longtubes usually make more lower end power.......as a rule of thumb. I'm not saying it's gospel or written in stone though but just as a rule of thumb.

[Tony_90fox]

yeah, you could run 11s with a stock exhaust too. I think what the people including myself, who have voted for longtubes, are just saying that the power, sound, and overall performance of longtubes is better than shorties. Plus, why do all the work for shorties, find out you hate it, then do all the work again. I have never heard of anyone not liking their longtubes after they install them. i am not hating on shorties, i just think that longtubes are the way to go.

[82GT]

Longtubes are not for EVERY engine. For instance, they would do little or nothing for a stock engine with stock exhaust.
When you say a car can run 11's with stock exhaust, that all depends on what size pipes are stock to begin with. How many cars with 2inch exhaust do you see run 11's (without any power adders)?
I agree with nine-dee coupe said above and from what I've seen at the track, it's pretty much consistant with that statement.

I hope this message board isn't like another one I visit often, where there is a standard answer for nearly every question about an engine build. Over there, the only way to build is: a CUSTOM cam, ALUMINUM heads and to stroke the engine!

Just because I'm a "newbie" on here doesn't mean I don't have any knowledge. It just means I've only started to post recently.

[Tony_90fox]

you didnt say the car couldnt have a power adder....

And hey man, i may have 500+ posts, but i am a newbie as well. I am a 19 year old kid who doesnt know much about engines. And I appreciate most things when i see them, even a chevy or two! But it would be hard to run a stock exhaust with long tubes because the midpipe wouldnt fit.

And i do agree with you 100% about you or anyone only having a handful of posts. You have knowledge and it doesnt matter if you have 1000 posts or 10 posts. Just because you just joined doesnt discredit your knowledge on these fine cars. have a good stay on this site.

[ChrisJ]

You cant run longtube headers with a stock exhaust anyways...The stock mid-pipe will not work with the longtubes without modification...

Alot of guys on this site are not newbies...Posts dont mean $hit in all reality...

But there are proven gains of longtubes over shorties...Its not opinion its fact...