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Old June 29th, 2008, 04:25 PM   #1
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ok, i have a 1979 mecury capri witha 200c.i.d. straight 6 i also have a 1993 ford thunderbird with a 302. i know i will have to get motor mount and throttle cables and a bellhousing. but what else will i need to make sure that the ngine will fit in the engine bay fine with no problems? will the computer work fine? will the powersteering need to be changed over? will i need the old alternator or the 302 one? probly the302 on that alternator lol. and should i go out and grab a set of sub frame connectors? after i have fun with this 302 for a while im gonna beef the internals up ALOT.and throw on a supercharger (on top of intake type) thanks and i hope i can get some help off of this.
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going carbed ?if so get a dist for a 1985 mustang, the 93 t bird motor is a roller motor and the 85 dist has the correct dist gear, however the firing order for the motor you have isn't the same as a mustang h.o. you can either change cams or use the t birds firing order.
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oil pan too obviously...... If i were you I'd get all the accessory brackets of a mustang 302 as well.....
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i would check and see if the lower k frame will accept the v8 i heard that in in line sixes had a different k frame you might be able to use the one from the t bird because it is a fox style chaise
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You will need to change the k-member to a V8 or 4 cylinder k-member. Most of the rest will depend on whether or not you are using EFI or not and some other items will have to be done on a trial and error basis like accessories and brackets.
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ok i went too a shop and they said for the k member all i need to do is change the front springs and the spring rate. the oil pan will be a new 5 quarts nickel plated. the efi is a very big posibility. also the accesories will only iclude alternator , and power steering. this car will be a 9 second car very soon.... 550 horsepower roush crate motor is due in 4 months. they have a huge backorder. also should i change the gears in my rear diff? it has 3.83 right nowor was it 3.73 i will look into that. can i use the t-birds distributor? why and why not? i have a 3 inch cowl induction for it too. also if i had the extra money i would buy the new 34 pound tubed k member alot better then a 107 lbs.
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ok i went too a shop and they said for the k member all i need to do is change the front springs and the spring rate. the oil pan will be a new 5 quarts nickel plated. the efi is a very big posibility. also the accesories will only iclude alternator , and power steering. this car will be a 9 second car very soon.... 550 horsepower roush crate motor is due in 4 months. they have a huge backorder. also should i change the gears in my rear diff? it has 3.83 right nowor was it 3.73 i will look into that. can i use the t-birds distributor? why and why not? i have a 3 inch cowl induction for it too. also if i had the extra money i would buy the new 34 pound tubed k member alot better then a 107 lbs.

The shop you went to obviously has never done this swap. You will need a different K-member. The inline 6 k-member will not work with a V8. I guess you could take their advice and learn the hard way...

A 9 second car very soon???? How do you figure. 550 horsepower won't even get you close. Do you understand the work that is involved in a 9 second car? I don't think you do because you wouldn't be talking about buying a tubular k-member if you had extra money and you wouldn't be messing with a stock rear end. You wouldn't be messing with a t-bird engine either, you would have this car off to the chassis shop for a roll cage and chassis work while your engine and trans is being built. I think you need to re-evaluate your goals in a realistic manner.
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ok, i have a custom Tk5 with a short throw shifter, also have a 1 ton rear end that has 3.77 gears. it is installed and is doing fine. the t-birds engine went to my locale machine shop. im getting the deck leveled and getting the engine plasma pressure tested.the rear end is a 9" by the way. the old 8.8 was starting to howl.also im gonna go carbed.
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ok, i have a custom Tk5 with a short throw shifter, also have a 1 ton rear end that has 3.77 gears. it is installed and is doing fine. the t-birds engine went to my locale machine shop. im getting the deck leveled and getting the engine plasma pressure tested.the rear end is a 9" by the way. the old 8.8 was starting to howl.also im gonna go carbed.
Defined custom TK5??? Don't Dana 60s come in 1 ton trucks???

It doesn't matter if you have an 8.8 or a 9", either way you are going to stick several thousand dollars in the rear end to hold the horsepower required to run 9s. You will have a few thousand tied up in the transmission, bellhousing, flywheel and clutch set up as well.
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yes, i have about 4k into the rear. the tranny is a tk5 with custom hardened gears and syncros. i dont know the full details in the tranny (had a shop build it for me). the engine is awsome i built it by hand. the rear ens is out of a 1976 ford f-250.is has been cut down to fit in my car.
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yes, i have about 4k into the rear. the tranny is a tk5 with custom hardened gears and syncros. i dont know the full details in the tranny (had a shop build it for me). the engine is awsome i built it by hand. the rear ens is out of a 1976 ford f-250.is has been cut down to fit in my car.
You are going to need alot more than hardened gears and an F250 rear axle to hold the horsepower required to run 9s. If you truely have an F250 rear axle it will take so much power to turn that heavy thing that you will probably never reach your goals. 3/4 ton trucks have big rear ends with big heavy axles, gears and center section. Not even close to ideal for going fast.
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lol, you sir apparently dont know the pottential in the 5 lug ford 9" cause even chevy lovers are using ford 9". also as i said i have a little over $4,000 into the rear diff alone. about 10.5k in the tranny. and about $7k in the engine. im in this setup really deep. this car will go under 9 seconds on the quarter mile. so i think you are going onto wikipedia and looking up stupid stuff ppl have posted there or you are listening to some half witted mechanic (no offense to you).
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Darrell knows and builds his own shit. I would listen to his advice.
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lol, you sir apparently dont know the pottential in the 5 lug ford 9" cause even chevy lovers are using ford 9". also as i said i have a little over $4,000 into the rear diff alone. about 10.5k in the tranny. and about $7k in the engine. im in this setup really deep. this car will go under 9 seconds on the quarter mile. so i think you are going onto wikipedia and looking up stupid stuff ppl have posted there or you are listening to some half witted mechanic (no offense to you).
I've never seen an F250 with a 9". F250s have full floating axles and huge rear ends. F150s have 9" rear ends. I am well aware of the abilities of a 9" but big horsepower cars don't use factory housings. Why don't you list the parts that you have in your rear end and transmission. Unless someone gave you half of the parts, a $7000 engine isn't going get you anywhere near the sub 9 second area. If your lucky and your car is really light, it might get you in the high 9s.

As far as your stupid comments about wikipedia and looking up what other people post and listening to some half witted mechanic goes, I find great humor in that. I'm an ASE certified master technician and worked in the industry for years. I've also been drag racing for the past 15 or so years. I know a thing or two about this stuff and probably have forgotten more than you know. So like I tell the rest of the young punk smart asses out there that know everything, its your car and you can do whatever you want to it. Just don't whine and cry when others are going faster with less money in there combinations.
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So like I tell the rest of the young punk smart asses out there that know everything, its your car and you can do whatever you want to it. Just don't whine and cry when others are going faster with less money in there combinations.
Hes not lying he basically told me that like 5 times and i didn't listen to him, ended up biting me in the ass.
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Hes not lying he basically told me that like 5 times and i didn't listen to him, ended up biting me in the ass.
Don't feel bad. I think we all learn the hard way sometimes. I did that when I first started racing. I knew what I needed, the guys that were telling me the opposite didn't know anything because car craft and every other magazine out there told me everything I needed to know.....Lessons in racing....
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Don't feel bad. I think we all learn the hard way sometimes. I did that when I first started racing. I knew what I needed, the guys that were telling me the opposite didn't know anything because car craft and every other magazine out there told me everything I needed to know.....Lessons in racing....
You always say its easier to do it right the first time, usually people just go the cheap way and then they wish they did it right the first time lol.
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