Setting A Goal

armadillon · November 14th, 2006, 01:05 PM

Hey y'all!

I got an 89 Mustang LX, long tube headers, 3.73s, u/d pulleys, and steeda triaxe shifter.

Yup, it's basically stock.

I'd like to build myself a 300-350hp stang that's a daily driver. Nitrous would be great, but I'm not factoring that in right now.

I guess the question is this: How much horsepower can I get out of my block with stock heads, and what mods are required for this purpose?

Thanks!

95opal · November 14th, 2006, 01:15 PM

The stock heads are gonna have to go to meet your goals infact if your looking to be close to 350hp your gonna need a strocker or power adder. Most HCI setups are good for the 300hp level

Tony_90fox · November 14th, 2006, 01:15 PM

why stock heads???

armadillon · November 14th, 2006, 01:20 PM

It's mostly a budget issue. I'd love to grab a set of AFR heads, but here at Texas A&M tuition likes to cut into my car modification budget =( So I was curious what I could do in the meantime. As for the 350 goal range, I do indeed know that I'll have to do much larger modifications. I was curious as to what I can get out of my stock heads as of now.

Tony_90fox · November 14th, 2006, 01:46 PM

nothing compared to aftermarket heads man. i am in college too, but i am saving my money little by little... by the time you pay for a nice port job to get some decent flow through the heads, you could buy a good set of AFR or trickflow.... Man alot of people will say to just save you money and get good stuff, but some people just feel like they have to have the stuff now. you could find some explorer intake and heads, but i wouldnt go that route man.

cali 5.0 · November 14th, 2006, 03:02 PM

u dont have to have a stroker to make more than 350hp.. by jus changing the cam heads and intake would give u tht much.. add better fuel flow to the mixture ud get around 400 easy with proper tuning i believe

95opal · November 14th, 2006, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by cali 5.0

u dont have to have a stroker to make more than 350hp.. by jus changing the cam heads and intake would give u tht much.. add better fuel flow to the mixture ud get around 400 easy with proper tuning i believe

show me a 302HCI combo turning 350rwhp im very curious to see this set up.

OTreborO · November 14th, 2006, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Tony_90fox

why stock heads???

Kind of like asking why keep motor oil in the trunk

Sorry, you knew I was gonna bust ya ass on that one LOL

OK, I am done, I won't mention it anymore..... giggle, snort, ok, well I will try not to anyway....... snicker..............

OTreborO · November 14th, 2006, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by armadillon

It's mostly a budget issue. I'd love to grab a set of AFR heads, but here at Texas A&M tuition likes to cut into my car modification budget =( So I was curious what I could do in the meantime. As for the 350 goal range, I do indeed know that I'll have to do much larger modifications. I was curious as to what I can get out of my stock heads as of now.

Damn, do they still do Aggie Jokes? I never knew what a Aggie was until I lived in Texas. Kind of like Polock jokes as I remember............

Tony_90fox · November 14th, 2006, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by OTreborO

Originally Posted by Tony_90fox

why stock heads???

Kind of like asking why keep motor oil in the trunk

Sorry, you knew I was gonna bust ya ass on that one LOL

OK, I am done, I won't mention it anymore..... giggle, snort, ok, well I will try not to anyway....... snicker..............

yeah man, i learned my lesson. thanks for telling me for the third time. Now that i believe you, i'll keep 7qts. in there instead of just 5 qts. LOL

1slo5.0 · November 14th, 2006, 11:24 PM

Are we talking flywheel horsepower or rear wheel horsepower? If you want to stay on a budget you should at least consider some GT40P heads from an 97 1/2 or newer Explorer. Those will give you a good chunk more horsepower than the stock E7 heads will be capable of. You can probably squeeze 300-325 flywheel horspower out of it. It will be fairly easy to get in the mid 12s with P heads, Explorer intake and a mild cam in addition to what you already have done to the car.

tims3.8stang · November 15th, 2006, 12:21 AM

gt 40 heads off of a 97 explorer

tims3.8stang · November 15th, 2006, 12:21 AM

gt 40 heads off of a 97 explorer

95opal · November 15th, 2006, 09:11 AM

yes 97 1/2 explorers came w/ gt40p heads earlier models came w/ the regular gt40s.

cali 5.0 · November 16th, 2006, 12:10 AM

so u mean to tell me tht i can only get about 300hp with the stock short block.. i dont believe tht.. i do believe tht tht is bull shit!!!!!!!!!!!

95opal · November 16th, 2006, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by cali 5.0

so u mean to tell me tht i can only get about 300hp with the stock short block.. i dont believe tht.. i do believe tht tht is bull shit!!!!!!!!!!!

No thats not what I was saying. You refered to making 350-400RWHP with a stock 302 short block and a HCI set up. Typical 302 HCI set ups range 290-300+ RWHP. The stock block can handle 450-500 pushing it before you split it.

cali 5.0 · November 16th, 2006, 12:26 AM

so explain this hci set up 2me

95opal · November 16th, 2006, 12:35 AM

heads cam intake. Typical street kits like TFS, edelbrock or holley, AFR,FTI,eddie combos.

1slo5.0 · November 16th, 2006, 12:46 AM

320+ rear wheel horsepower is fairly easy with off the shelf parts on a stock short block. 350+ is attainable if you spend a little extra on better heads and a custom cam.

cali 5.0 · November 17th, 2006, 12:28 PM

ok so how would i end up getting 350+ without power adders

November 14th, 2006, 01:05 PM	#1
armadillon Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 11	Setting A Goal Hey y'all! I got an 89 Mustang LX, long tube headers, 3.73s, u/d pulleys, and steeda triaxe shifter. Yup, it's basically stock. I'd like to build myself a 300-350hp stang that's a daily driver. Nitrous would be great, but I'm not factoring that in right now. I guess the question is this: How much horsepower can I get out of my block with stock heads, and what mods are required for this purpose? Thanks!

November 14th, 2006, 01:15 PM	#2
95opal Hardcore Enthusiast 95 opalfrost gt Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,165	The stock heads are gonna have to go to meet your goals infact if your looking to be close to 350hp your gonna need a strocker or power adder. Most HCI setups are good for the 300hp level __________________

November 14th, 2006, 03:02 PM	#6
cali 5.0 Regular Join Date: May 2006 Location: grand prairie tx Posts: 385	u dont have to have a stroker to make more than 350hp.. by jus changing the cam heads and intake would give u tht much.. add better fuel flow to the mixture ud get around 400 easy with proper tuning i believe __________________ 89 gt 3.73 gears, full exhaust, holley system max2 intake manifold, 70mm throttle body, jet chip

November 14th, 2006, 11:24 PM	#11
1slo5.0 Zippee is my step sister. 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 10,353	Are we talking flywheel horsepower or rear wheel horsepower? If you want to stay on a budget you should at least consider some GT40P heads from an 97 1/2 or newer Explorer. Those will give you a good chunk more horsepower than the stock E7 heads will be capable of. You can probably squeeze 300-325 flywheel horspower out of it. It will be fairly easy to get in the mid 12s with P heads, Explorer intake and a mild cam in addition to what you already have done to the car. __________________ Thanks to: Trick Flow, Team Z Motorsports, Total Engine Airflow and Furo Racecraft My daily driver has 16 cylinders and 4400hp @ 1000 rpm....

November 15th, 2006, 09:11 AM	#14
95opal Hardcore Enthusiast 95 opalfrost gt Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,165	yes 97 1/2 explorers came w/ gt40p heads earlier models came w/ the regular gt40s. __________________

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November 14th, 2006, 01:15 PM	#3
Tony_90fox Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 3,833	why stock heads???

November 14th, 2006, 01:20 PM	#4
armadillon Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 11	It's mostly a budget issue. I'd love to grab a set of AFR heads, but here at Texas A&M tuition likes to cut into my car modification budget =( So I was curious what I could do in the meantime. As for the 350 goal range, I do indeed know that I'll have to do much larger modifications. I was curious as to what I can get out of my stock heads as of now.

November 14th, 2006, 01:46 PM	#5
Tony_90fox Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 3,833	nothing compared to aftermarket heads man. i am in college too, but i am saving my money little by little... by the time you pay for a nice port job to get some decent flow through the heads, you could buy a good set of AFR or trickflow.... Man alot of people will say to just save you money and get good stuff, but some people just feel like they have to have the stuff now. you could find some explorer intake and heads, but i wouldnt go that route man.

November 15th, 2006, 12:21 AM	#12
tims3.8stang Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 87	gt 40 heads off of a 97 explorer

November 16th, 2006, 12:10 AM	#15
cali 5.0 Regular Join Date: May 2006 Location: grand prairie tx Posts: 385	so u mean to tell me tht i can only get about 300hp with the stock short block.. i dont believe tht.. i do believe tht tht is bull shit!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ 89 gt 3.73 gears, full exhaust, holley system max2 intake manifold, 70mm throttle body, jet chip

November 16th, 2006, 12:26 AM	#17
cali 5.0 Regular Join Date: May 2006 Location: grand prairie tx Posts: 385	so explain this hci set up 2me __________________ 89 gt 3.73 gears, full exhaust, holley system max2 intake manifold, 70mm throttle body, jet chip

November 16th, 2006, 12:35 AM	#18
95opal Hardcore Enthusiast 95 opalfrost gt Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,165	heads cam intake. Typical street kits like TFS, edelbrock or holley, AFR,FTI,eddie combos. __________________

November 16th, 2006, 12:46 AM	#19
1slo5.0 Zippee is my step sister. 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 10,353	320+ rear wheel horsepower is fairly easy with off the shelf parts on a stock short block. 350+ is attainable if you spend a little extra on better heads and a custom cam. __________________ Thanks to: Trick Flow, Team Z Motorsports, Total Engine Airflow and Furo Racecraft My daily driver has 16 cylinders and 4400hp @ 1000 rpm....

November 17th, 2006, 12:28 PM	#20
cali 5.0 Regular Join Date: May 2006 Location: grand prairie tx Posts: 385	ok so how would i end up getting 350+ without power adders __________________ 89 gt 3.73 gears, full exhaust, holley system max2 intake manifold, 70mm throttle body, jet chip

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