Can it be?

stang94 · December 2nd, 2006, 09:59 PM

I spoke to this guy today JEFF, said he got a 9 sec mustang.. usually race at englishtown, orange 89-93 Model I believe, he showed me a pic looks believable. So I though I get some advice from him about my car.

I got a 94 GT 5.0 HO convertable.

I'v got on it.

BBK:
CAI
70MM TB
Shorty Headers
Off road x
Flowmaster Muffler 50 w/ 2.5 exits to 2.5 tip also.
Dual Friction Centerforce

Now he said if I add:
Holley Upper & Lower Intake (or Trick Flow Upper & Lower)
B303 Cam
And 3.73
125l intank
I should be able to put at lease 300rwhp.

Thats what I wanted, but I know the heads are restricted, and if I do heads, I gotta upgrade to 24lb inj, and gotta change MAF. I am not taking the car to the track or anything like that. I just want to add some more power, dont kill the gas milage more that what it already does.
Any ideas? And I think he went overboard with 300rwhp on that, do you think with a tune or something will be up to there?
Thanks

TENGRAM · December 2nd, 2006, 10:11 PM

with 300hp you will need 24s. on top of that, that combo will not get you 300hp. you will need to ditch the stock heads to get to your goal. also sounds like the guy doesn't know what he's talking about. for one, the ford "alphabet" cams are antiquated technology and really should be avoided. adding an intake will maybe get you to 250 if that. my2cents

stang94 · December 3rd, 2006, 12:02 PM

250hp, would I get around that at the wheels?
how much is the 19lbs injector is good for?

1slo5.0 · December 3rd, 2006, 03:11 PM

That guy is way out in left field. That combo won't make anywhere near 300hp at the wheels. That combination might get you 210hp or so at the wheels. The Ford cams suck. The B cam is the worst one out of the bunch. You will need some good heads to make 300hp at the wheels. You won't need 24lb injectors at that power level but they won't hurt and will leave room to grow.

TENGRAM · December 3rd, 2006, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by stang94

250hp, would I get around that at the wheels?
how much is the 19lbs injector is good for?

you could, or you would at least get very near 250hp at the wheels. 19lbers will support up to about 300hp, but they'll be near 100% duty cycle and won't survive long like that.

TENGRAM · December 3rd, 2006, 03:17 PM

like darrel said, skip the b cam, or you won't make the 250. plus it helps to have some other minor mods...pulleys, e-fan etc. i always recommend a custom grind cam (like from jay allen at camshaft innovations) but i've heard good things about the tfs stage 1 cam

TENGRAM · December 3rd, 2006, 04:21 PM

if you don't have a larger MAF that should be your first step as the factory one is pretty restrictive

stang94 · December 3rd, 2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Darrell

You won't need 24lb injectors at that power level but they won't hurt and will leave room to grow.

So the 19lb will do then right? I am not going WOT all the time, just a good driving street car. I wasn't planning on doing heads or anything like that.. do I really have to do the MAF also. I will do underdrive pully also, and change alt. you think I should up to 130amp, cuz I heard the pully will slow it down. Right now, I bearly drive my car past 2500 RPM. ONLY once in a while, when I flex alittle I moved it up to 5500rpm and once in a while thats about it,, regular driver bearly past 2500 rpm. So I am thinking so I really need the 24lbs cuz I dont really plan and doing any more mods yet, cuz I wanna do the top and some interior work. And what do you think about the MAF, should I do that also?
Thanks

1slo5.0 · December 4th, 2006, 02:19 AM

I've made just over 300hp at the wheels with stock 19lb injectors but they are working hard at that horsepower level. However under normal driving you won't be working the injectors that hard. If you are going to upgrade your mass air sensor you might as well step up to the 24lb injectors right away because the two items are directly related.

stang94 · December 4th, 2006, 09:43 AM

Well, I am trying not to up the injectors and MAF. So If I can do

Holley Upper & Lower Intake (or Trick Flow Upper & Lower)
B303 Cam <------ I"m change that. (any suggestion)
And 3.73
125l intank
Underdrive pully

I am also getting subframe connector and upper and lower trailing arm and KYB ajustable shocks to help with suspension.
With what I have already and that ^^ up there. What should I expect at the wheels, and would if help if I do a tune up.

I dont want to do heads yet. Maybe later, I am still thinking about it, I am looking to buy a house I dont want to put more money yet into it. When I do the heads, then i'll step up the injectors and MAF.

Any more suggestions?
Thanks

82GT · December 4th, 2006, 02:53 PM

Convertables are the heaviest and slowest of all the mustang models. I would suggest 4:10 gears...definatly if you have an AOD tranny!
I would also do the subframes before adding any power first.

stang94 · December 5th, 2006, 09:22 AM

You should suggest 4.10 for streets/highway?

stang94 · December 5th, 2006, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by stang94

You should suggest 4.10 for streets/highway?

That was suppose to be..
You would suggest! lol

82GT · December 5th, 2006, 12:13 PM

Why not? Remember, you have an overdrive gear. If you had a C-4 or C-6, I wouldn't suggest 4:10's. I have 4:10's and a c-4 and it SUCKS on the highway...LOL...but it won't be nearly as bad with a T-5 or AOD.
What tranny do you have anyway?

stang94 · December 5th, 2006, 02:16 PM

Nah man thats alittle too much, I have T5, I'm not looking to do 13's or 14's at the track, I just wanna kick alittle ass on the road/streets.. I think 4.10 will be too much.. lol not looking to get 80MHP at 6K RPM lol. I do alot of hwy and streets driving.

TENGRAM · December 5th, 2006, 02:25 PM

i have to admit, 80mph does rattle my head even with just 3.73s. that said, i would still go with 4.10 or 4.30 if i had to do it over again. luckily there is a slow lane on the freeway

82GT · December 6th, 2006, 12:30 AM

According to the calculator I use, you would be turning 2900 rpms, in 5th gear, with a 26inch tall tire, with 4:10 gears if you were cruising at 80mph.
With a 3:73 gear, you would be turning 2600 roms in 5th gear at 80mph......not much of a difference dude.

I don't know what size tires you have but that's based on a 225/55/16 tires that was standard size for a '94GT

1slo5.0 · December 6th, 2006, 01:02 AM

300 rpm is a big difference at cruising speeds as far as noise and economy goes BUT if anyone has ever experienced the droning noise that comes from Flowmaster, MAC and simiar mufflers between 1800 and 2100 rpm....you would be much happier cruising at the higher rpm.

I personally wouldn't go deeper than a 3.73 gear on a car that is mainly a street car. If the car was more of a race car and a guy was trying to get the absolute most out of it I'd throw a deep set of gears in it. The difference between a 4.10 and a 3.73 is minimal in most cases. A few years back we had a full effort race car 91 GT that had 3.55 gears in it and we switched to 4.10s and only gained a tenth. Not worth the time and effort. In my current car I have switched back and forth between 4.56 gears and 4.10 gears and the difference is less than a tenth. Bigger is not always better.

stang94 · December 6th, 2006, 09:02 AM

My car came stock with 17's dude, 245/45/17 with the double spoke, 3 sprang (or what ever you called it). ( I don't know the lady that got it first updrage when she got it, i'm the second owner, but its stock wheels that size)
I kept the same size in the front and went 175/40/17 same rim, different size tire. I'm gonna go with the 3.73, any suggested brand, Ford Racing, Richmond????
Thanks

stang94 · December 6th, 2006, 09:03 AM

I have flowmaster 50 series also... and at higher rpm its more quiet.

And I ment 275 not 175 rear.. lol that would look funny.. lol

December 2nd, 2006, 09:59 PM	#1
stang94 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jamaica, NY Posts: 1,077 iTrader: 1 reviews	Can it be? I spoke to this guy today JEFF, said he got a 9 sec mustang.. usually race at englishtown, orange 89-93 Model I believe, he showed me a pic looks believable. So I though I get some advice from him about my car. I got a 94 GT 5.0 HO convertable. I'v got on it. BBK: CAI 70MM TB Shorty Headers Off road x Flowmaster Muffler 50 w/ 2.5 exits to 2.5 tip also. Dual Friction Centerforce Now he said if I add: Holley Upper & Lower Intake (or Trick Flow Upper & Lower) B303 Cam And 3.73 125l intank I should be able to put at lease 300rwhp. Thats what I wanted, but I know the heads are restricted, and if I do heads, I gotta upgrade to 24lb inj, and gotta change MAF. I am not taking the car to the track or anything like that. I just want to add some more power, dont kill the gas milage more that what it already does. Any ideas? And I think he went overboard with 300rwhp on that, do you think with a tune or something will be up to there? Thanks

December 2nd, 2006, 10:11 PM	#2
TENGRAM Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,027 iTrader: 0 reviews	with 300hp you will need 24s. on top of that, that combo will not get you 300hp. you will need to ditch the stock heads to get to your goal. also sounds like the guy doesn't know what he's talking about. for one, the ford "alphabet" cams are antiquated technology and really should be avoided. adding an intake will maybe get you to 250 if that. my2cents __________________ 89 GT t5 3.73 www.my5oh.com/

December 3rd, 2006, 12:02 PM	#3
stang94 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jamaica, NY Posts: 1,077 iTrader: 1 reviews	250hp, would I get around that at the wheels? how much is the 19lbs injector is good for? __________________ Giving Away For FREE PM ME. FREE 351 Block, 90,xxx miles (Non roller block) FREE 94-98 GT Hood (red)

December 3rd, 2006, 03:11 PM	#4
1slo5.0 MM Ninjas! 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 11,375 iTrader: 1 reviews	That guy is way out in left field. That combo won't make anywhere near 300hp at the wheels. That combination might get you 210hp or so at the wheels. The Ford cams suck. The B cam is the worst one out of the bunch. You will need some good heads to make 300hp at the wheels. You won't need 24lb injectors at that power level but they won't hurt and will leave room to grow. __________________ My daily driver has 16 cylinders and 4400hp @ 1000 rpm.... ***1988 Mustang GT - Stock....almost

December 3rd, 2006, 03:17 PM	#6
TENGRAM Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,027 iTrader: 0 reviews	like darrel said, skip the b cam, or you won't make the 250. plus it helps to have some other minor mods...pulleys, e-fan etc. i always recommend a custom grind cam (like from jay allen at camshaft innovations) but i've heard good things about the tfs stage 1 cam __________________ 89 GT t5 3.73 www.my5oh.com/

December 3rd, 2006, 04:21 PM	#7
TENGRAM Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,027 iTrader: 0 reviews	if you don't have a larger MAF that should be your first step as the factory one is pretty restrictive __________________ 89 GT t5 3.73 www.my5oh.com/

December 4th, 2006, 02:19 AM	#9
1slo5.0 MM Ninjas! 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 11,375 iTrader: 1 reviews	I've made just over 300hp at the wheels with stock 19lb injectors but they are working hard at that horsepower level. However under normal driving you won't be working the injectors that hard. If you are going to upgrade your mass air sensor you might as well step up to the 24lb injectors right away because the two items are directly related. __________________ My daily driver has 16 cylinders and 4400hp @ 1000 rpm.... ***1988 Mustang GT - Stock....almost

December 4th, 2006, 09:43 AM	#10
stang94 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jamaica, NY Posts: 1,077 iTrader: 1 reviews	Well, I am trying not to up the injectors and MAF. So If I can do Holley Upper & Lower Intake (or Trick Flow Upper & Lower) B303 Cam <------ I"m change that. (any suggestion) And 3.73 125l intank Underdrive pully I am also getting subframe connector and upper and lower trailing arm and KYB ajustable shocks to help with suspension. With what I have already and that ^^ up there. What should I expect at the wheels, and would if help if I do a tune up. I dont want to do heads yet. Maybe later, I am still thinking about it, I am looking to buy a house I dont want to put more money yet into it. When I do the heads, then i'll step up the injectors and MAF. Any more suggestions? Thanks __________________ Giving Away For FREE PM ME. FREE 351 Block, 90,xxx miles (Non roller block) FREE 94-98 GT Hood (red)

December 4th, 2006, 02:53 PM	#11
82GT Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Danville, Pa. Posts: 249 iTrader: 0 reviews	Convertables are the heaviest and slowest of all the mustang models. I would suggest 4:10 gears...definatly if you have an AOD tranny! I would also do the subframes before adding any power first. __________________ 1982 GT (t-top) 351w(.060),10:3, ported & polished iron heads, 1.94/1.60 valves, BBK shorties & flowmasters, 274XE cam, stealth intake, mallory dizzy, stealth intake, 750dp, Edge 3700 stall converter, C-4, 4:10's Best E.T 12.85@102mph

December 5th, 2006, 09:22 AM	#12
stang94 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jamaica, NY Posts: 1,077 iTrader: 1 reviews	You should suggest 4.10 for streets/highway? __________________ Giving Away For FREE PM ME. FREE 351 Block, 90,xxx miles (Non roller block) FREE 94-98 GT Hood (red)

December 5th, 2006, 12:13 PM	#14
82GT Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Danville, Pa. Posts: 249 iTrader: 0 reviews	Why not? Remember, you have an overdrive gear. If you had a C-4 or C-6, I wouldn't suggest 4:10's. I have 4:10's and a c-4 and it SUCKS on the highway...LOL...but it won't be nearly as bad with a T-5 or AOD. What tranny do you have anyway? __________________ 1982 GT (t-top) 351w(.060),10:3, ported & polished iron heads, 1.94/1.60 valves, BBK shorties & flowmasters, 274XE cam, stealth intake, mallory dizzy, stealth intake, 750dp, Edge 3700 stall converter, C-4, 4:10's Best E.T 12.85@102mph

December 5th, 2006, 02:16 PM	#15
stang94 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jamaica, NY Posts: 1,077 iTrader: 1 reviews	Nah man thats alittle too much, I have T5, I'm not looking to do 13's or 14's at the track, I just wanna kick alittle ass on the road/streets.. I think 4.10 will be too much.. lol not looking to get 80MHP at 6K RPM lol. I do alot of hwy and streets driving. __________________ Giving Away For FREE PM ME. FREE 351 Block, 90,xxx miles (Non roller block) FREE 94-98 GT Hood (red)

December 5th, 2006, 02:25 PM	#16
TENGRAM Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,027 iTrader: 0 reviews	i have to admit, 80mph does rattle my head even with just 3.73s. that said, i would still go with 4.10 or 4.30 if i had to do it over again. luckily there is a slow lane on the freeway __________________ 89 GT t5 3.73 www.my5oh.com/

December 6th, 2006, 12:30 AM	#17
82GT Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Danville, Pa. Posts: 249 iTrader: 0 reviews	According to the calculator I use, you would be turning 2900 rpms, in 5th gear, with a 26inch tall tire, with 4:10 gears if you were cruising at 80mph. With a 3:73 gear, you would be turning 2600 roms in 5th gear at 80mph......not much of a difference dude. I don't know what size tires you have but that's based on a 225/55/16 tires that was standard size for a '94GT __________________ 1982 GT (t-top) 351w(.060),10:3, ported & polished iron heads, 1.94/1.60 valves, BBK shorties & flowmasters, 274XE cam, stealth intake, mallory dizzy, stealth intake, 750dp, Edge 3700 stall converter, C-4, 4:10's Best E.T 12.85@102mph

December 6th, 2006, 01:02 AM	#18
1slo5.0 MM Ninjas! 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 11,375 iTrader: 1 reviews	300 rpm is a big difference at cruising speeds as far as noise and economy goes BUT if anyone has ever experienced the droning noise that comes from Flowmaster, MAC and simiar mufflers between 1800 and 2100 rpm....you would be much happier cruising at the higher rpm. I personally wouldn't go deeper than a 3.73 gear on a car that is mainly a street car. If the car was more of a race car and a guy was trying to get the absolute most out of it I'd throw a deep set of gears in it. The difference between a 4.10 and a 3.73 is minimal in most cases. A few years back we had a full effort race car 91 GT that had 3.55 gears in it and we switched to 4.10s and only gained a tenth. Not worth the time and effort. In my current car I have switched back and forth between 4.56 gears and 4.10 gears and the difference is less than a tenth. Bigger is not always better. __________________ My daily driver has 16 cylinders and 4400hp @ 1000 rpm.... ***1988 Mustang GT - Stock....almost

December 6th, 2006, 09:02 AM	#19
stang94 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jamaica, NY Posts: 1,077 iTrader: 1 reviews	My car came stock with 17's dude, 245/45/17 with the double spoke, 3 sprang (or what ever you called it). ( I don't know the lady that got it first updrage when she got it, i'm the second owner, but its stock wheels that size) I kept the same size in the front and went 175/40/17 same rim, different size tire. I'm gonna go with the 3.73, any suggested brand, Ford Racing, Richmond???? Thanks __________________ Giving Away For FREE PM ME. FREE 351 Block, 90,xxx miles (Non roller block) FREE 94-98 GT Hood (red)

December 6th, 2006, 09:03 AM	#20
stang94 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jamaica, NY Posts: 1,077 iTrader: 1 reviews	I have flowmaster 50 series also... and at higher rpm its more quiet. And I ment 275 not 175 rear.. lol that would look funny.. lol __________________ Giving Away For FREE PM ME. FREE 351 Block, 90,xxx miles (Non roller block) FREE 94-98 GT Hood (red)

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