will my 5.0 get more power from 5 speed?

5.0guy · December 6th, 2006, 03:33 PM

hey there stangers well i have a question for you.do you think that my 90 5.0 h.0 would benefit from a aod to 5 speed swap as far as the power gain rpm and all that?

Tony_90fox · December 6th, 2006, 03:46 PM

better launch. i think they would be better for somebody who doesnt want to be at the track all the time. they do get annoying in traffic. easier to roast tires. I'm not for sure how much HP is gained but you do put more down. you will benifit greatly if you can shift.

82GT · December 6th, 2006, 05:18 PM

A T-5 doesn't require as much hp to turn it compared to an automatic, so yes, it would free up some more hp....enough to feel the difference.

TENGRAM · December 6th, 2006, 06:29 PM

rough estimate: depending on the condition of your auto tranny...5-15%, maybe more even. those autos just get worse from the day they're put into commision. an added benefit is that you can shift at a higher rpm with the 5-speed. if you're decent at shifting, its much faster shifting than an auto. plus the manual weighs less. another rough guess: .5 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile or more

long story short, ditch the slushbox

1slo5.0 · December 6th, 2006, 06:56 PM

Shifting a manual is no where near as fast as an automatic unless you have a Liberty or Lenco. Weight difference is dependent upon the transmissions your comparing. My C4 and bellhousing weighs much less than a T5 with bellhousing. On another note, we put a PA C4 in one of our cars a few years ago after we blew up another 5 speed and went 3 tenths faster. Why? Good converter, transbrake and consistent shifting. Manual transmissions are not always better that is why the majority of race cars run an automatic. Manuals are alot of fun on the street though.

TENGRAM · December 6th, 2006, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by Darrell

Shifting a manual is no where near as fast as an automatic unless you have a Liberty or Lenco. Weight difference is dependent upon the transmissions your comparing. My C4 and bellhousing weighs much less than a T5 with bellhousing. On another note, we put a PA C4 in one of our cars a few years ago after we blew up another 5 speed and went 3 tenths faster. Why? Good converter, transbrake and consistent shifting. Manual transmissions are not always better that is why the majority of race cars run an automatic. Manuals are alot of fun on the street though.

racers use autos because of there consistency and because, with the right parts, they can shift faster. also they can shift at the right rpm, again, with the right parts. a stock AOD does not shift very fast. it definately isn't better for racing, for one because it doesn't shift at a high enough rpm and also because it weighs more.

BTW, not very fair to compare your drag race prepped c4 to a stock t5.

1slo5.0 · December 6th, 2006, 07:54 PM

You're right, an AOD is a turd in stock form. Keeping it in Drive it will not shift high. AODs are possibly heavier than T5s.

A C4 on the other hand stock or modified will shift faster than anybody can shift a T5 and weigh alot less too.

I'd personally prefer a T5 in a car that sees mostly street time because it does take less power to operate, its funner to drive and fuel economy is much better. T5s are not always faster though, keep that in mind. I know common assumption is T5 cars are always faster and that has made me alot of money street racing and grudge racing in the past when I had my AOD equipped convertible.

Tony_90fox · December 6th, 2006, 08:20 PM

haha thats awesome. I take it you had a nice TC with it?

82GT · December 6th, 2006, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Tony_90fox

haha thats awesome. I take it you had a nice TC with it?

I'm sure he did too! Darrell, what 60' times were you getting with your AOD? I'm getting 1.66-1.67 60' with my C-4 and Edge converter

Tony_90fox · December 6th, 2006, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by 82GT

Originally Posted by Tony_90fox

haha thats awesome. I take it you had a nice TC with it?

I'm sure he did too! Darrell, what 60' times were you getting with your AOD? I'm getting 1.66-1.67 60' with my C-4 and Edge converter

you could go with a larger stall couldnt you?

5.0guy · December 6th, 2006, 11:26 PM

hey guys i appriciate all your help .but yes the car mostly see's the streets of college town of gainesville florida but we have the gainesville raceway where they hold the gatornationals so i might be there every once in awhile but mainly on the street.

82GT · December 6th, 2006, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by Tony_90fox

Originally Posted by 82GT

Originally Posted by Tony_90fox

haha thats awesome. I take it you had a nice TC with it?

I'm sure he did too! Darrell, what 60' times were you getting with your AOD? I'm getting 1.66-1.67 60' with my C-4 and Edge converter

you could go with a larger stall couldnt you?

Yeah, if I wanted to make it strictly a drag car. I'm about at the limit with a 3700 stall to be cruising the streets and highways with.
I really only use the car to drive 20min. to the track and back and ocassionally around town when I want to pick on the ricers

Tony_90fox · December 6th, 2006, 11:54 PM

yeah but that would be my only guess to quicken his 60 ft. time.

82GT · December 6th, 2006, 11:58 PM

Oh, were you talking about 5.0 guy? Sorry, I thought you were asking if I could go higher stall speed.
Yeah, he could get a higher stall converter for his AOD but if he was going to go that route, he would need a shift kit and shifter also

Tony_90fox · December 7th, 2006, 12:05 AM

no i was talking to you. i thought you car was all track though. my bad.

But would that help if your car was strictly track?

82GT · December 7th, 2006, 12:10 AM

Not really unless I went with a bigger cam, otherwise, the higher stall speed would bypass most of my cams power range.......like I think it's doing already!

Tony_90fox · December 7th, 2006, 12:11 AM

okay, cool.

1slo5.0 · December 7th, 2006, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Tony_90fox

haha thats awesome. I take it you had a nice TC with it?

Nope, all stock. It had exhaust and some other minor bolt ons but internally the engine and trans were all stock. Some local loud mouth was flapping his jaws one night about how his 5 speed LX would own me because it had a 5 speed and I had a "dogamatic". I drove my cruiser out, pumped 60 lbs of air in all 4 tires and raced him at the "spot". All I can tell you is I wasn't the one getting owned.

Originally Posted by 82GT

I'm sure he did too! Darrell, what 60' times were you getting with your AOD? I'm getting 1.66-1.67 60' with my C-4 and Edge converter

Blistering 2.0X 60 foot times. Impressive, huh? The car was a real rocket.

TENGRAM · December 7th, 2006, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Darrell

Originally Posted by Tony_90fox

haha thats awesome. I take it you had a nice TC with it?

Nope, all stock. It had exhaust and some other minor bolt ons but internally the engine and trans were all stock. Some local loud mouth was flapping his jaws one night about how his 5 speed LX would own me because it had a 5 speed and I had a "dogamatic". I drove my cruiser out, pumped 60 lbs of air in all 4 tires and raced him at the "spot". All I can tell you is I wasn't the one getting owned.

Originally Posted by 82GT

I'm sure he did too! Darrell, what 60' times were you getting with your AOD? I'm getting 1.66-1.67 60' with my C-4 and Edge converter

Blistering 2.0X 60 foot times. Impressive, huh? The car was a real rocket.

not sure i'm understanding you here...do you mean 60psi between all four tires? or 60 in each? wondering if there's some trick i've missed

Tony_90fox · December 7th, 2006, 12:49 AM

damn thats a good kill story. I have stayed up with some manuals before. I bet your car was in much better condition than mine though, so i have no problem believing you....+1 on the tire thing. I usully put 20 in each when i go to the track. Let me know about your situation

December 6th, 2006, 03:33 PM	#1
5.0guy Regular 1990 foxbody 14.8@98mph Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: archer,fl Posts: 60 iTrader: 0 reviews	will my 5.0 get more power from 5 speed? hey there stangers well i have a question for you.do you think that my 90 5.0 h.0 would benefit from a aod to 5 speed swap as far as the power gain rpm and all that? __________________ your always faster then the guy in the mirror

December 6th, 2006, 03:46 PM	#2
Tony_90fox Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 3,803 iTrader: 0 reviews	better launch. i think they would be better for somebody who doesnt want to be at the track all the time. they do get annoying in traffic. easier to roast tires. I'm not for sure how much HP is gained but you do put more down. you will benifit greatly if you can shift. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [B][U]MM Sapper Squad[/U][/B] [QUOTE=Regency 2007;1676187]MSO's stupidity has never stopped amazing me since the day he joined this forum.[/QUOTE]

December 6th, 2006, 05:18 PM	#3
82GT Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Danville, Pa. Posts: 324 iTrader: 0 reviews	A T-5 doesn't require as much hp to turn it compared to an automatic, so yes, it would free up some more hp....enough to feel the difference. __________________ 1982 GT (t-top) 351w(.060),10:3, ported & polished iron heads, 1.94/1.60 valves, BBK shorties & flowmasters, 274XE cam, stealth intake, mallory dizzy, stealth intake, 750dp, Edge 3700 stall converter, C-4, 4:10's Best E.T 12.79@103.55mph

December 6th, 2006, 06:29 PM	#4
TENGRAM Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,027 iTrader: 0 reviews	rough estimate: depending on the condition of your auto tranny...5-15%, maybe more even. those autos just get worse from the day they're put into commision. an added benefit is that you can shift at a higher rpm with the 5-speed. if you're decent at shifting, its much faster shifting than an auto. plus the manual weighs less. another rough guess: .5 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile or more long story short, ditch the slushbox __________________ 89 GT t5 3.73 www.my5oh.com/

December 6th, 2006, 06:56 PM	#5
1slo5.0 MM Ninjas! 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 11,375 iTrader: 1 reviews	Shifting a manual is no where near as fast as an automatic unless you have a Liberty or Lenco. Weight difference is dependent upon the transmissions your comparing. My C4 and bellhousing weighs much less than a T5 with bellhousing. On another note, we put a PA C4 in one of our cars a few years ago after we blew up another 5 speed and went 3 tenths faster. Why? Good converter, transbrake and consistent shifting. Manual transmissions are not always better that is why the majority of race cars run an automatic. Manuals are alot of fun on the street though. __________________ My daily driver has 16 cylinders and 4400hp @ 1000 rpm.... ***1988 Mustang GT - Stock....almost

December 6th, 2006, 07:54 PM	#7
1slo5.0 MM Ninjas! 1990 Mustang LX 9.36@143 mph Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: North Fond du Lac, Wisconsin Posts: 11,375 iTrader: 1 reviews	You're right, an AOD is a turd in stock form. Keeping it in Drive it will not shift high. AODs are possibly heavier than T5s. A C4 on the other hand stock or modified will shift faster than anybody can shift a T5 and weigh alot less too. I'd personally prefer a T5 in a car that sees mostly street time because it does take less power to operate, its funner to drive and fuel economy is much better. T5s are not always faster though, keep that in mind. I know common assumption is T5 cars are always faster and that has made me alot of money street racing and grudge racing in the past when I had my AOD equipped convertible. __________________ My daily driver has 16 cylinders and 4400hp @ 1000 rpm.... ***1988 Mustang GT - Stock....almost

December 6th, 2006, 08:20 PM	#8
Tony_90fox Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 3,803 iTrader: 0 reviews	haha thats awesome. I take it you had a nice TC with it? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [B][U]MM Sapper Squad[/U][/B] [QUOTE=Regency 2007;1676187]MSO's stupidity has never stopped amazing me since the day he joined this forum.[/QUOTE]

December 6th, 2006, 11:26 PM	#11
5.0guy Regular 1990 foxbody 14.8@98mph Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: archer,fl Posts: 60 iTrader: 0 reviews	hey guys i appriciate all your help .but yes the car mostly see's the streets of college town of gainesville florida but we have the gainesville raceway where they hold the gatornationals so i might be there every once in awhile but mainly on the street. __________________ your always faster then the guy in the mirror

December 6th, 2006, 11:54 PM	#13
Tony_90fox Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 3,803 iTrader: 0 reviews	yeah but that would be my only guess to quicken his 60 ft. time. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [B][U]MM Sapper Squad[/U][/B] [QUOTE=Regency 2007;1676187]MSO's stupidity has never stopped amazing me since the day he joined this forum.[/QUOTE]

December 6th, 2006, 11:58 PM	#14
82GT Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Danville, Pa. Posts: 324 iTrader: 0 reviews	Oh, were you talking about 5.0 guy? Sorry, I thought you were asking if I could go higher stall speed. Yeah, he could get a higher stall converter for his AOD but if he was going to go that route, he would need a shift kit and shifter also __________________ 1982 GT (t-top) 351w(.060),10:3, ported & polished iron heads, 1.94/1.60 valves, BBK shorties & flowmasters, 274XE cam, stealth intake, mallory dizzy, stealth intake, 750dp, Edge 3700 stall converter, C-4, 4:10's Best E.T 12.79@103.55mph

December 7th, 2006, 12:05 AM	#15
Tony_90fox Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 3,803 iTrader: 0 reviews	no i was talking to you. i thought you car was all track though. my bad. But would that help if your car was strictly track? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [B][U]MM Sapper Squad[/U][/B] [QUOTE=Regency 2007;1676187]MSO's stupidity has never stopped amazing me since the day he joined this forum.[/QUOTE]

December 7th, 2006, 12:10 AM	#16
82GT Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Danville, Pa. Posts: 324 iTrader: 0 reviews	Not really unless I went with a bigger cam, otherwise, the higher stall speed would bypass most of my cams power range.......like I think it's doing already! __________________ 1982 GT (t-top) 351w(.060),10:3, ported & polished iron heads, 1.94/1.60 valves, BBK shorties & flowmasters, 274XE cam, stealth intake, mallory dizzy, stealth intake, 750dp, Edge 3700 stall converter, C-4, 4:10's Best E.T 12.79@103.55mph

December 7th, 2006, 12:11 AM	#17
Tony_90fox Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 3,803 iTrader: 0 reviews	okay, cool. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [B][U]MM Sapper Squad[/U][/B] [QUOTE=Regency 2007;1676187]MSO's stupidity has never stopped amazing me since the day he joined this forum.[/QUOTE]

December 7th, 2006, 12:49 AM	#20
Tony_90fox Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 3,803 iTrader: 0 reviews	damn thats a good kill story. I have stayed up with some manuals before. I bet your car was in much better condition than mine though, so i have no problem believing you....+1 on the tire thing. I usully put 20 in each when i go to the track. Let me know about your situation __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [B][U]MM Sapper Squad[/U][/B] [QUOTE=Regency 2007;1676187]MSO's stupidity has never stopped amazing me since the day he joined this forum.[/QUOTE]

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