[The Novice]

Hey guys i have been thinking about modding my car but have been affraid that i will go to far into something and not complete the other parts. I had been thinking about a supercharger but im trying to think of an alternate to save some money.

So i though of maybe doing a custom grind cam. Someone told me you can see upto 100HP gains. i figured it was BS but if i see 50HP i would still be really impressed! See i have an E-cam now, from the previous owner and have heard you guys mention Custom grind but i know nothing about it.

Where would/could i get one from, what kind of HP gains will i see ( b/c i wouldnt see the point in doing all that work if im only going to see 10HP gain.) I though of it as a possible money saver from a S/C and wouldnt mind being All motor if i made some decent numbers. But can you guys tell me more about Custom grind cams and what you think, that would be great, would like to know what you think as well. Thanks guys! - The Novice.

[93hatch]

if your combos gona be pretty mild i would spend the money elsewhere dude, like my gt40p combo, i dont think a custom cam would see much of a gain vs my tfs 1

[The Novice]

Yeah, i dunno how it all works. ( the cam that is.) Well ill tell you what i have and let me know what ya think, if its worth it or not. If ya dont mind.

I have a 306 with the following.
Full MSD ignition
TrickFlow upper/lower intake ( Track heat )
Underdrive pullies
Roush 200cc heads ( not the best but they are big, will prob port and polish if i do the cam.)
Adjustable Fuel regulators and Fuel rails
255LPH intank Fuel Pump
70mm TB ( maybe 75 cant think, sorry -_- )
24lbs injectors
1.7 rr.
E-cam

Might be a little more but cant think of any right now, besides EQ headers, H-pipe O/R and mac cat back exhaust. But thats not Engine. But yeah i dunno what do you think, would it be a decent improvement or not worthi it, i dunno if ya consider this mild or what. But i figured the cam is holding me back at least a little since most of the 303 cams kinda blow IMO. But What do you think? Thanks for the help, really appeciate it! - The Novice.

[CAMN89GT]

Originally Posted by The Novice Yeah, i dunno how it all works. ( the cam that is.) Well ill tell you what i have and let me know what ya think, if its worth it or not. If ya dont mind. I have a 306 with the following. Full MSD ignition TrickFlow upper/lower intake ( Track heat ) Underdrive pullies Roush 200cc heads ( not the best but they are big, will prob port and polish if i do the cam.) Adjustable Fuel regulators and Fuel rails 255LPH intank Fuel Pump 70mm TB ( maybe 75 cant think, sorry -_- ) 24lbs injectors 1.7 rr. E-cam Might be a little more but cant think of any right now, besides EQ headers, H-pipe O/R and mac cat back exhaust. But thats not Engine. But yeah i dunno what do you think, would it be a decent improvement or not worthi it, i dunno if ya consider this mild or what. But i figured the cam is holding me back at least a little since most of the 303 cams kinda blow IMO. But What do you think? Thanks for the help, really appeciate it! - The Novice.

You won't see 100hp gain, nor 50, not even 40. MIGHT, could see in the 3x range, but I think more along the lines of 20 hp gain..however, It won't help you're motor. You have a basic, 306 bolt on motor... Probably capable of doing mid to low 11's.... Custom Grind cam = more for a 347, Big alum headed, All motor 9.50 car... Just do a TFS stage 2 (nitrous/blower ready, but great N/A cam too) and save ur hassles of talking to Ed Curtis.... he'd tell you the same thing

[The Novice]

So you guys think A Trick flow cam would be my best bet? Any other cams that might be better, or the TFS cam prob one of the best?

[Hunt_chevs]

trick flow's got good stuff

[fogged306]

A custom grind will optimize your set-up, That e-303 isn't doing you much good so you will definitely see an improvement with a custom grind. You can also call any cam company and tell them your setup and they can give you their reccommendations on an off the shelf cam for your car, which will be cheaper than a custom grind. I have a custom grind and I don't have a 9.50 all motor car. But I did pay over $400 for mine from cam motion.

[The Novice]

Ill have to look into the stage 2 cams from TFS. I guess it would make more sense if a Custom grind cam isnt going to much more than the TFS cam and is a bit cheaper. With this TFS Stage 2 cam will have have Valve clearence issues at all??

Interesting, i just went to the website and typed in my year mustang and all that and they show these "Track Max (TM)" Cams....Do they still make these Stage 2 cams or are these suppose to be better?

After reading this cams description will it still work well with out me having the TFS heads? Or are they just trying to make it sound good and sell heads too? Thanks guys for your help!

Trick Flow® Track Max (TM) Hydraulic Roller Camshafts for Ford 5.0L - trickflow.com

[stangfreak]

i swapped my F-303 with an anderson ford motorsport N-41

[93mustank]

Just submited a build list to jay allen.........let you know how it works

[The Novice]

Originally Posted by stangfreak i swapped my F-303 with an anderson ford motorsport N-41

Did ya notice much of a difference? I believe the F-Cam is a little better than the E cam, do you happen to have a guess on your HP gain? And did you have any valve clearance issues or did it fit very well? Thanks!

Yeah 93Mustank let me know if ya get a chance, what set up are you planning to do it with, just wondering. Thanks guys, appreciate all the help! - The Novice.

[stangfreak]

yeah, the f-303 is a .512 lift cam. the n-41 is also a .512 lift cam but it has more duration on the exhaust side. i ran both with 1.7 rockers and GT40P heads

[Tony_90fox]

I just sent my money to Jay Allen for a TLSR he is grinding for me...

His website is: Camshaft Innovations - Home

[vfast]

this combo is all over the place

Originally Posted by The Novice Yeah, i dunno how it all works. ( the cam that is.) Well ill tell you what i have and let me know what ya think, if its worth it or not. If ya dont mind. I have a 306 with the following. Full MSD ignition TrickFlow upper/lower intake ( Track heat ) Underdrive pullies Roush 200cc heads ( not the best but they are big, will prob port and polish if i do the cam.) Adjustable Fuel regulators and Fuel rails 255LPH intank Fuel Pump 70mm TB ( maybe 75 cant think, sorry -_- ) 24lbs injectors 1.7 rr. E-cam Might be a little more but cant think of any right now, besides EQ headers, H-pipe O/R and mac cat back exhaust. But thats not Engine. But yeah i dunno what do you think, would it be a decent improvement or not worthi it, i dunno if ya consider this mild or what. But i figured the cam is holding me back at least a little since most of the 303 cams kinda blow IMO. But What do you think? Thanks for the help, really appeciate it! - The Novice.

[The Novice]

Originally Posted by vfast this combo is all over the place

Really, i dont know of to many people who have Roush heads. I dont even know how much HP i would roughly be making now. But if you happen to know roughy my HP range before and after a cam switch let me know please.

And does anyone know if TFS still makes the Stage 2 cam or do they only have these Track Max one's now?

[Iownastang]

I am running windsor sr's also, The track max is the same thing as the stage 1,2,3 but with a new name.Id say you are making at least 320 at the flywheel.

[The Novice]

Really i figured the E-cam was holding me back more, think i could make 350 with the Stage 2 cam,lol im pritty sure no, but i want to think yes,lol i wish there where still some other mods i could do to add some HP with out spending a lot of money

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by The Novice Hey guys i have been thinking about modding my car but have been affraid that i will go to far into something and not complete the other parts. I had been thinking about a supercharger but im trying to think of an alternate to save some money. So i though of maybe doing a custom grind cam. Someone told me you can see upto 100HP gains. i figured it was BS but if i see 50HP i would still be really impressed! See i have an E-cam now, from the previous owner and have heard you guys mention Custom grind but i know nothing about it. Where would/could i get one from, what kind of HP gains will i see ( b/c i wouldnt see the point in doing all that work if im only going to see 10HP gain.) I though of it as a possible money saver from a S/C and wouldnt mind being All motor if i made some decent numbers. But can you guys tell me more about Custom grind cams and what you think, that would be great, would like to know what you think as well. Thanks guys! - The Novice.

It depends. A 600hp 306 might see 120hp from a custom grind cam versus a stock cam where a 400hp 306 might only see 32hp. I had an engine dyno'd and tried two different cams from two different grinders and there was something like a 38hp difference between the two grinds. I don't remember the exact difference because it was a little while back, but you get the point. If you are trying to get the most out of your combination, then get a custom cam. Some guys run mid 12s with heads/cam/intake 5 liter Mustangs and are happy with the numbers they make. Others run low 11s/high 10s and faster with heads/cam/intake 5 liters. Combination is everything. Peak horsepower isn't everything either. Gaining horsepower across the rpm range will make a bigger difference than just a peak horsepower gain.

[Sleeper_Stang_89]

Originally Posted by Darrell It depends. A 600hp 306 might see 120hp from a custom grind cam versus a stock cam where a 400hp 306 might only see 32hp. I had an engine dyno'd and tried two different cams from two different grinders and there was something like a 38hp difference between the two grinds. I don't remember the exact difference because it was a little while back, but you get the point. If you are trying to get the most out of your combination, then get a custom cam. Some guys run mid 12s with heads/cam/intake 5 liter Mustangs and are happy with the numbers they make. Others run low 11s/high 10s and faster with heads/cam/intake 5 liters. Combination is everything. Peak horsepower isn't everything either. Gaining horsepower across the rpm range will make a bigger difference than just a peak horsepower gain.

[superbean]

tfs stage 3...

if you have that big of heads and a topend intake.. a bigger cam will do wonder for topend performance.

Might want to get a gear swap as well..