[The Novice]

Hey Guys im looking to majorly upgrade from my Roush 200 Heads (Cast Iron) to something better.

I talked to trickflow today about getting the Stage 2 cam and i figured i should switch to better heads if i really want to reach my full HP potental. And was wondering what i should get. I also need something that will clear the Stage 2 cam's Lift. But also something affordable Under $1400 If possible.

So i was also wondering your opinions Trick Flow heads or AFR's? Again i need something that will clear the Stage 2 cam. And obviously the more afforable the better.

My goal is 350HP with the Cam and the heads if possible. Let me know what ya think. And if its possible with this combo. Thanks guys! - The Novice.

[85rumblefox]

If you've got the $$$, TFS Twisted Wedge heads, you'll be good to go. However I know a buddy of mine with a '94, TFS High Ports, H/C/I, and boltons makin ~400rwhp on motor.... Somethin' to think about

[The Novice]

Yeah i was thinking of the Trick Flow but i dont know how good AFR's are either in comparison.

Also i will prob have to buy new, but is it a bad idea to buy Used Alum. Heads b/c ya cant really know if they are warped or not?

But i did find these on Ebay, is this a good price? Jw. Thanks for any and all input!

eBay Motors: Trick flow track heat aluminum cylinder heads ford 5.0 (item 180299429529 end time Oct-23-08 09:18:21 PDT)

[Sleeper_Stang_89]

afr's are good heads, but Twisted Wedge heads are a little better IMO... plaus you have to notch your pistons with afr 185's and bigger i think

[Pure Stock]

[fogged306]

Originally Posted by Pure Stock

lol, I doubt it will be as entertaining as you think. I don't think there's too many die hard AFR fans here.

[grnstang]

yeah get the twisted wedges and a stage 2 cam u will be happy

[95opal]

Originally Posted by fogged306 lol, I doubt it will be as entertaining as you think. I don't think there's too many die hard AFR fans here.

Better check my sig Fogged. LOL

















JK.. One head or the other wont make or break it, both make good power. I would be more worried about the whole package in general as thats where you will make it or break it. BTW I have ran both...

[BORDEN]

Originally Posted by Sleeper_Stang_89 afr's are good heads, but Twisted Wedge heads are a little better IMO... plaus you have to notch your pistons with afr 185's and bigger i think

+1

[95StangMX]

I went with the trickflows cause they had better flow numbers and darrell and woody thought they would work better with my combo.. cant say anything bad about the afr's cause I have never ran them but do think you will have to cut your pistons if you run them

[The Novice]

So if i got with say the TFS Twisted wedge heads and the stage 2 cam will i have to worry about clearence or are the springs already set up for that cam?

[95StangMX]

you wont have to worry with the trick flows cause of there twisted wedge design you dont have the p to v issues....why are you so stuck on a stage 2 cam? call jay and have him grind you a cam for a little more change than a shelf stick

[BORDEN]

stage two cam isnt bad but i would rather have a custom grind

[The Novice]

I was thinking about it, but the stage 2 cam is only $165 And i figured for the price i cant beat it. Plus i oblt have a 5.0 i dont think i would make enough extra HP for it to really be worth the time and price. Dont get me wrong i have nothing against Custom Grind cams its just this is affordable, still a major upgrade from the E-303 cam. And the car will mainly be a street car with some strip time hopefully.

Ive thought about it, and perhaps down the road i will. But for now for me still being in college i think this is probably the best and most affordable cam for me. But im open to your thoughts and opinions.

[1slo5.0]

Trick Flow Specialties TFS-51400015 - Trick Flow® Twisted Wedge Fast As Cast Cylinder Heads for Small Block Ford - summitracing.com

[The Novice]

Originally Posted by Darrell Trick Flow Specialties TFS-51400015 - Trick Flow® Twisted Wedge Fast As Cast Cylinder Heads for Small Block Ford - summitracing.com

Well those sure look sexy. Think 190cc wont be to big for my 5.0? Even those those roush heads are 200 running intake they flow shitty and are the comparison to the AFR 165's but are worse then the 165's as well.

Dont get me wrong i trust you Darrell i just want to make sure. Also if i can save $200. But i have to weight for the $200 extra bucks ( compared to the TFS top end kit from summit those ones run about $1289.99. ) But if i get 15 extra HP or something then it would be dumb not to spend the extra money.

Anyways i was just wondering. Also Do you guys think ill be able to reach my 350 HP goal with the heads and Stage 2 cam, Or what HP am i likely to have, if not 350 HP ( just a guess is fine)? And how much HP diff. am i looking at between the 2 heads?

These are the heads that come with the TFS top end kit. Just wondering the difference in Preformance. I noticed these are only 170cc, does it make quite a difference?

Thanks guys for the help, i really really appeciate it! Thanks again! - The Novice.
Trick Flow Specialties TFS-51400004 - Trick Flow® Twisted Wedge® Street Cylinder Heads for Small Block Ford - summitracing.com

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by The Novice Well those sure look sexy. Think 190cc wont be to big for my 5.0? Even those those roush heads are 200 running intake they flow shitty and are the comparison to the AFR 165's but are worse then the 165's as well. Dont get me wrong i trust you Darrell i just want to make sure. Also if i can save $200. But i have to weight for the $200 extra bucks ( compared to the TFS top end kit from summit those ones run about $1289.99. ) But if i get 15 extra HP or something then it would be dumb not to spend the extra money. Anyways i was just wondering. Also Do you guys think ill be able to reach my 350 HP goal with the heads and Stage 2 cam, Or what HP am i likely to have, if not 350 HP ( just a guess is fine)? And how much HP diff. am i looking at between the 2 heads? These are the heads that come with the TFS top end kit. Just wondering the difference in Preformance. I noticed these are only 170cc, does it make quite a difference? Thanks guys for the help, i really really appeciate it! Thanks again! - The Novice. Trick Flow Specialties TFS-51400004 - Trick Flow® Twisted Wedge® Street Cylinder Heads for Small Block Ford - summitracing.com

The 190cc intake ports are plenty for a 302. Standard Twisted Wedge heads have a 170cc intake port. Twisted Wedge intake ports are real short too so the same cross section is going to yield a smaller cc port on a Twisted Wedge as compared to other heads. The standard 170cc heads kill your Roush 200 heads. The 190cc Twisted Wedges will destroy your Roush heads.

How much horsepower? It depends. I'm sure many people will spout off numbers but the truth is, nobody knows without dynoing the two different heads. 400hp will be easy to come by.

[The Novice]

Well Destroy sounds better than Kill,lol So ill have to look into those heads. Thanks for the input and help.

400HP? Easy to come by? Seriously? I was not expecting that much at all. for a 302 and a stage 2 cam....wow seriously i expected a lot less HP than that, like 350 HP tops...i still cant believe it, that much from a head and cam change....

[1slo5.0]

Originally Posted by The Novice Well Destroy sounds better than Kill,lol So ill have to look into those heads. Thanks for the input and help. 400HP? Easy to come by? Seriously? I was not expecting that much at all. for a 302 and a stage 2 cam....wow seriously i expected a lot less HP than that, like 350 HP tops...i still cant believe it, that much from a head and cam change....

400hp will be easy to come by with the right cam and intake. I'd probably have those heads milled down to 58cc as well. I'd probably also look at a different cam.

Here is another head option. Canfield Cylinder Heads

[TKOTLARZ]

i dont mean the jack the thread but darrell whats ur opinion about the trick flows VS canfield..ive heard that canfield are top of the line and are way better..i know u know ur shit and have probably had experience with both..