[ModMustang97GT]

Ok, I currently blew up my 4.6. And I'm considering trashing my 97 and getting a 5.0 for the sake of cost. I believe I could probably get one for cheap and make up for cost of the mods I have done to the 97. And probably swap alot of the goodies on it over (suspension). I want to build a road course car. Where do I get aero gear, and lighter parts for a 5.0? And how much rough estimate would it cost to get me a 600 rwhp car. I'm talking 351 N/A or 302 FI, either way. I want to know what it will cost me. It will cost me atleast 8k to get that on my modular. What do I need to do it on a 5.0?

[The Novice]

When your looking ath that much RWHP, not just HP its a lot of money. Its one thing to have that much raw HP but to get it to the ground it will be a lot of money.

There are more than just the engine that will ne rebuilding. You will prob. need a role cage b/c of all the torque and HP.

You can kiss your tranny goodbye And will need a new one, with that much money i would suggest a AOD. or Maybe a Tremec TKO600. But the AOD i believe would handle the Hp and TQ better and last longer.

IF your looking for cheapest, well when it comes to 600RWHP and Cheap...Well they dont go hand in hand. I guess you would want the biggest Displacement possible so i would go 351W ( b/c the stock 5.0 Block cant handle that much HP ) I would Bore out the 351 to a 393 or a 408 and stroke it. prob. be cheapest to carb it, but not sure. Amd i would put a 200 Shot NX Nitrous ( b/c there shots go by RWHP not just at the crank ) And go that way. But theres a lot of ways you could do it but the bigger the block the better. But if you are going to spray and have that much HP i would get H-beams and all the upgrades possible to make sure that think can hold together.

heres a link of highly recommended Stroker kits. Hope this helps a little, someone else with ring in here soon im sure.

PS- is this a street car? If so that much HP is useless b/c you will never get it to tranfer to the ground well enough. IMO anyways.

FordStrokers.com 331-347-393-408-418-427 stroker kits and ford parts. - Ford Stroker Kits :: Coast High Performance Rotating Assemblies :: 351 Windsor Stroker Kits

[flattusmaximus78]

good stroker, good hci, and a good blower and your their on race gas.

[Iownastang]

Why dont you just build a 4.6? since you already have a car?

[Sleeper_Stang_89]

Originally Posted by Iownastang Why dont you just build a 4.6? since you already have a car?

Thats what I was thinking...

[jtyson8602]

My turbo 306 build is actually a little over 600rwhp depending on how i tune. and overall cost on the car thus far somewhere in the range of 10-12 and counting with plenty to add still. of course thats with myself doing all the work. But I didn't choose the cheapest way. if you want big power N/A swap a 460 bored to a 552. heavier than crap but you'll be able to say your making 600+ with no adders

[Sleeper_Stang_89]

Originally Posted by jtyson8602 My turbo 306 build is actually a little over 600rwhp depending on how i tune. and overall cost on the car thus far somewhere in the range of 10-12 and counting with plenty to add still. of course thats with myself doing all the work. But I didn't choose the cheapest way. if you want big power N/A swap a 460 bored to a 552. heavier than crap but you'll be able to say your making 600+ with no adders

I think the OP wants a light road race car... to the OP look up info on the NASCAR motors... they are pretty much exactly what your looking for... you are talking about a track car only right?

[jtyson8602]

Originally Posted by Sleeper_Stang_89 you are talking about a track car only right?

oh yeah forgot he said road course car. scratch the big block idea. +1 on a nascar motor though lol

[ModMustang97GT]

Well, I want to look at the options really. I already need a new block, need the heads ported and some sort of power adder to get me to my goal. Its like $1500 for heads, $3500 for block and 5K for the power adder. Then I need the suspension mods to keep it all together. But I need to do that on either body so I am not so worried about it. What I want to know is, will going with a stroked 351 get me to 600 rwhp for less than about 10k. If its 6k, that is a hell of a lot better than my modular, and I can get a different car that costs less to do it with. Its really all just a bunch of ideas, but I am trying to do some research on what to really look in to.

[The Novice]

Ok well if you want a big block you can find some good 351W in a junk yard, and your going to bore it out anyways so it will be fresh. And that can save you a lot of money right there.

Another thing is are you planning to go carbed or EFI? B/c if you go EFI it could get expensive with the new computer and new MAF sensors and all that But if thats what ya want then go for it, you can buy used EFI stuff on ebay. But just let us know if your thinking Carbed or EFI.

Also Im not sure that you can get a 351 stroker motor to get you 600RWHP for less than 10K. B/c i think you would need some really nice heads (say about 3K) and a good upper and lower intake as well as other mods, fuel system for one. But If you had a 408 Stroker + Nitrous you could deff. get to 600RWHP i think.

But really and most importantly what do you want this car to and be for? Street only, strip only, DD, Rally Racing. What are you looking to do with this car b/c that could change what directions your should take.

[flamedstang95]

Look for a wrecked 03/04 Cobra and go from there. Getting 600rwhp out of a windsor based motor is going to cost alot. Stock 302 blocks won't handle that much hp before they crack. You could go with a dart/boss block and stroke it to 347 and add a power adder and you'd be close, but, again it's alot of coin.

[Sleeper_Stang_89]

Originally Posted by The Novice Ok well if you want a big block you can find some good 351W in a junk yard, and your going to bore it out anyways so it will be fresh. And that can save you a lot of money right there. Another thing is are you planning to go carbed or EFI? B/c if you go EFI it could get expensive with the new computer and new MAF sensors and all that But if thats what ya want then go for it, you can buy used EFI stuff on ebay. But just let us know if your thinking Carbed or EFI. Also Im not sure that you can get a 351 stroker motor to get you 600RWHP for less than 10K. B/c i think you would need some really nice heads (say about 3K) and a good upper and lower intake as well as other mods, fuel system for one. But If you had a 408 Stroker + Nitrous you could deff. get to 600RWHP i think. But really and most importantly what do you want this car to and be for? Street only, strip only, DD, Rally Racing. What are you looking to do with this car b/c that could change what directions your should take.

I believe he is talking about a road course car... Nitrous wouldnt be that beneficial on road racing (unless your in a 6cyl turbo shelby gt500 and your racing in a canyon- F&TF...ftw) since the power is only in short bursts... He needs that 600hp range continuosly... either way you go its gonna take money and smart decisions... I would think either N/A or super charged car would preform best in a road race.... i could be wrong in my last statement... if I am someone feel free to correct me

[R0B0T]

a 351w is a small block...
those of you who don't know, don't post.
no matter how many cubic inches you have you will need to upgrade the fuel system either way...
however it won't be easy or cheap to get 600whp from a naturally aspirated windsor...
or a forced induction 302 based block...
for a 302 based motor, you can forget about using a stock block.
cheapest route would be a forced induction late model 351 if you want to use hydraulic rollers.

[e3sean]

find a cobra 4v motor and upgrade the blower and some head work and cams. that would put you pretty close to 600

[TKOTLARZ]

i think you could..351 stroked for sure

[grnstang]

if he got an 03 or 04 cobra motor, all he needs is a whipple, fuel system, a few boltons, smaller pulley and a tune and he's damn near 600. A whipple supercharged cobra just made 570 w/ that setup minus the boltons

[The Novice]

Originally Posted by grnstang if he got an 03 or 04 cobra motor, all he needs is a whipple, fuel system, a few boltons, smaller pulley and a tune and he's damn near 600. A whipple supercharged cobra just made 570 w/ that setup minus the boltons

Yeah but whats are those 03/04 Cobra Block Rate up to? Will they Hold that much HP ant TQ? Remember he wants 600 RWHP. So he'll prob be near 700HP i would assume to try to get it to the ground. But it depends, i dont know how it works when you get that much HP.

But yeah, my concern would be cant the stock block hold that much? The good thing though is it already has Forged Internals, unlike your original car's block so that is one plus.

yeah i would say Wipple or Kenne Bell S/C could prob deff. help in the HP gains. Also they sound SOOO Badass!

[Haggis13]

Originally Posted by The Novice Yeah but whats are those 03/04 Cobra Block Rate up to? Will they Hold that much HP ant TQ? Remember he wants 600 RWHP. So he'll prob be near 700HP i would assume to try to get it to the ground. But it depends, i dont know how it works when you get that much HP. But yeah, my concern would be cant the stock block hold that much? The good thing though is it already has Forged Internals, unlike your original car's block so that is one plus. yeah i would say Wipple or Kenne Bell S/C could prob deff. help in the HP gains. Also they sound SOOO Badass!

The Cobra blocks are good to upwards of 800+ Horsepower. The new 5.4's to over 1000.

[The Novice]

Originally Posted by Haggis13 The Cobra blocks are good to upwards of 800+ Horsepower. The new 5.4's to over 1000.

Really? Damn i want one!

[Haggis13]

Originally Posted by The Novice Really? Damn i want one!

Yep - the pre 99 Tecsid (sp?) blocks are good to 1000. Sean Hyland Motorsports make a block that's good for 2500 horsies...