Torque Boxs...

TheBrat · November 9th, 2008, 02:32 PM

Alright, got some money to spend, wanna get these done...
Was looking at this ebay kit.. Mustang Upper & Lower Torque Box Package, 1979-2004 - (eBay.ca item 160296414810 end time 10-Nov-08 00:45:37 EST)
What do you guys think?

Brett!

GoodOleBoyzRacin · November 9th, 2008, 02:44 PM

id still get everything welded.

TheBrat · November 9th, 2008, 02:46 PM

Well, I was thinking to just buy the kit, bolt it up, than just weld it in..

Brett!

jwyche · November 9th, 2008, 10:12 PM

Brett,
I bought mine from Wild Rides and put them in an LX coupe that had really bad boxes. They worked just like they said they would. If your boxes are not compromised, you can probably do just fine by welding up the stockers. That's what I did with my GT and it's had no problems launching on slicks and delivering 1.59 60' times.
Good Luck,
Jim
School Teacher

91cobra5.0 · November 9th, 2008, 10:53 PM

does ne one have pics of this done?

jwyche · November 9th, 2008, 11:01 PM

Take a look at this article and it should show you how it's done.
Jim
Wild Rides' Battle Boxes - How To - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords Magazine

e3sean · November 9th, 2008, 11:02 PM

i may be able to get some tomorrow.

i have my stock ones welded up both upper and lower and they hold up great.

91cobra5.0 · November 9th, 2008, 11:38 PM

these are on the outside right?

chaosstangman · November 10th, 2008, 02:19 AM

I found this site that has those wild rides boxes
Wild Rides Combo Battle Boxes Upper & Lower Torque Boxes for 79-93 Mustangs

nolife · November 10th, 2008, 10:24 AM

Laurel Mountain Mustang has a similar kit for $105.

jwyche · November 10th, 2008, 04:46 PM

91Cobra5.0

To answer your question, the go on the outside but bolt through to the interior. I had mine welded down inside the car, after removing the back seat to do all this, and it won't come loose. You might crack the floor somewhere else but I doubt you will develop any cracks where you install your Battle boxes.

Something that I did recently that made a huge difference in the entire "solid" feel to the car was to install UPR spherical bushings on the upper rear torque arms and new Urethane everywhere else.

It actually hooked so well on M/T Drag Radials that the TREMEC 3550 input shaft snapped. Oops! Once you start changing things, it never ends!

If you are going to install the Battle Boxes, it's a great time to install either all Urethane bushings or a combo like mine, while everything is out. You may have to save a bit longer, but they aren't expensive.

If you look at the top of the picture, to the right of the gear housing at the upper control arm, you'll see where the aluminum spherical bearings go.

Good luck,
Jim
The School Teacher

91cobra5.0 · November 10th, 2008, 07:13 PM

i see the bearing but i still dont see what you are reinforcing

TheBrat · November 10th, 2008, 10:23 PM

Thanks guys for the answers..
Ill have to look into it all, jwyche, what did you pay for those UPR bushings?

Brett!

jwyche · November 10th, 2008, 10:39 PM

Hey Brett,
I paid $102.00 for them locally with tax at a small shop. I think you can get them online for about $88.00 if you can wait a couple days for delivery. From UPR they are $99.00 MUSTANG-UPR Products.com

With the devaluation of the dollar (provided you don't get taxed to death) you may get them even cheaper.

Good luck with your project.
Jim

TheBrat · November 10th, 2008, 10:45 PM

Thanks for the luck...
Ya, well our Economy is SHOT over here in Canada.
Ill have to look into those as well I guess.
Thanks much for all the help!

Brett!

jwyche · November 10th, 2008, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by 91cobra5.0

i see the bearing but i still dont see what you are reinforcing

We'll get this.

Take a look at the lower control arm and follow it up to the floor pan. That depression in the pan into which it ends is where the Battle Box goes (after removing the control arm). That's the torque box. The Battle Box is then bolted and or welded into the torque box. The lower control arm then goes back into place. The pictures will show the underside of the car and the finished installations from the inside.

Also, you might want to look at these websites:

FORDMUSCLE.com - Four suspension mods for late-model Mustangs!

Battle Box Install - Mustang : MikeFordMustang.com - Pictures, Videos, Write-ups, How to's, Parts for Sale, Guest book

1989 Ford Mustang Notchback - Project Real Street Suspension And Chassis - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords

If this doesn't help, let me know.

Jim
The School Teacher

chaosstangman · November 13th, 2008, 12:03 AM

is that a daily driver with those spherical bearings...... i heard that can be kinda annoying cause they rattle alot

91cobra5.0 · November 13th, 2008, 09:02 AM

oooooooohhhhhhhhhhh so they reinforce were the controll arm bolts in. i get it

ryans88gt · November 13th, 2008, 10:15 AM

I did this awhile ago, Major PITA. If you are going to do it, plan on the car being down for a few days.

Also, the lower plates make a good place to tie in a roll cage to the torqu boxes.

jwyche · November 13th, 2008, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by chaosstangman

is that a daily driver with those spherical bearings...... i heard that can be kinda annoying cause they rattle alot

I had heard the same thing and was prepared for a bunch of noise. So far it hasn't happened. Now, understand, my Mustang is no Mercedes when it comes to noise, but they don't seem to be adding to the noise, vibration, and harshness any more than the urethane bushings.

Unless you are looking for a super quiet ride, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Jim
School Teacher

November 9th, 2008, 02:32 PM	#1
TheBrat Regular 91 Mustang LX Fastback We shall see when she gets done.. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 443 iTrader: 0 reviews	Torque Boxs... Alright, got some money to spend, wanna get these done... Was looking at this ebay kit.. Mustang Upper & Lower Torque Box Package, 1979-2004 - (eBay.ca item 160296414810 end time 10-Nov-08 00:45:37 EST) What do you guys think? Brett! __________________ 2003 MazdaSPEED Protege. Lava Orange with all the go fast parts 1991 LX. 2.3T in the works. 1977 Pinto Wagon. New motor combo in the works for 2012, C4, 4.10s, 150 pill. Et. unkown 1969 Impala. Needs a resto. Im Canadian, Eh!

November 9th, 2008, 02:44 PM	#2
GoodOleBoyzRacin Regular 1990 Mustang GT 13.64 @ 101 MPH Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 324 iTrader: 0 reviews	id still get everything welded. __________________ 90 Ford Mustang 5.0 T5- BROKE 1.9 60' on street tires13.64 @ 101 MPH 89 Ford Mustang coupe- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nIrzcQz3_8

November 9th, 2008, 02:46 PM	#3
TheBrat Regular 91 Mustang LX Fastback We shall see when she gets done.. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 443 iTrader: 0 reviews	Well, I was thinking to just buy the kit, bolt it up, than just weld it in.. Brett! __________________ 2003 MazdaSPEED Protege. Lava Orange with all the go fast parts 1991 LX. 2.3T in the works. 1977 Pinto Wagon. New motor combo in the works for 2012, C4, 4.10s, 150 pill. Et. unkown 1969 Impala. Needs a resto. Im Canadian, Eh!

November 9th, 2008, 10:12 PM	#4
jwyche Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Collegedale, TN Posts: 70 iTrader: 0 reviews	Brett, I bought mine from Wild Rides and put them in an LX coupe that had really bad boxes. They worked just like they said they would. If your boxes are not compromised, you can probably do just fine by welding up the stockers. That's what I did with my GT and it's had no problems launching on slicks and delivering 1.59 60' times. Good Luck, Jim School Teacher Attached Thumbnails __________________ 2002 GT, 1992 GT, 2008 Bullitt. Basic Senior Citizen Transportation for a 63 year old guy. See details at http://web.mac.com/jwyche

November 9th, 2008, 11:01 PM	#6
jwyche Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Collegedale, TN Posts: 70 iTrader: 0 reviews	Take a look at this article and it should show you how it's done. Jim Wild Rides' Battle Boxes - How To - 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords Magazine __________________ 2002 GT, 1992 GT, 2008 Bullitt. Basic Senior Citizen Transportation for a 63 year old guy. See details at http://web.mac.com/jwyche

November 9th, 2008, 10:53 PM	#5
91cobra5.0 Hardcore Enthusiast 98 Cobra Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bay Area, Ca Posts: 2,057 iTrader: 0 reviews	does ne one have pics of this done?

November 9th, 2008, 11:02 PM	#7
e3sean I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1988 lx 9.68@142 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: goldsboro NC Posts: 5,609 iTrader: 0 reviews	i may be able to get some tomorrow. i have my stock ones welded up both upper and lower and they hold up great. __________________

November 9th, 2008, 11:38 PM	#8
91cobra5.0 Hardcore Enthusiast 98 Cobra Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bay Area, Ca Posts: 2,057 iTrader: 0 reviews	these are on the outside right?

November 10th, 2008, 02:19 AM	#9
chaosstangman Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 175 iTrader: 0 reviews	I found this site that has those wild rides boxes Wild Rides Combo Battle Boxes Upper & Lower Torque Boxes for 79-93 Mustangs Last edited by chaosstangman; November 10th, 2008 at 02:20 AM. Reason: wrong url

November 10th, 2008, 10:24 AM	#10
nolife MM Fanatic 91GT, 88GT, 02GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,057 Blog Entries: 3 iTrader: 0 reviews	Laurel Mountain Mustang has a similar kit for $105. __________________

November 10th, 2008, 04:46 PM	#11
jwyche Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Collegedale, TN Posts: 70 iTrader: 0 reviews	91Cobra5.0 To answer your question, the go on the outside but bolt through to the interior. I had mine welded down inside the car, after removing the back seat to do all this, and it won't come loose. You might crack the floor somewhere else but I doubt you will develop any cracks where you install your Battle boxes. Something that I did recently that made a huge difference in the entire "solid" feel to the car was to install UPR spherical bushings on the upper rear torque arms and new Urethane everywhere else. It actually hooked so well on M/T Drag Radials that the TREMEC 3550 input shaft snapped. Oops! Once you start changing things, it never ends! If you are going to install the Battle Boxes, it's a great time to install either all Urethane bushings or a combo like mine, while everything is out. You may have to save a bit longer, but they aren't expensive. If you look at the top of the picture, to the right of the gear housing at the upper control arm, you'll see where the aluminum spherical bearings go. Good luck, Jim The School Teacher Attached Thumbnails __________________ 2002 GT, 1992 GT, 2008 Bullitt. Basic Senior Citizen Transportation for a 63 year old guy. See details at http://web.mac.com/jwyche

November 10th, 2008, 07:13 PM	#12
91cobra5.0 Hardcore Enthusiast 98 Cobra Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bay Area, Ca Posts: 2,057 iTrader: 0 reviews	i see the bearing but i still dont see what you are reinforcing

November 10th, 2008, 10:23 PM	#13
TheBrat Regular 91 Mustang LX Fastback We shall see when she gets done.. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 443 iTrader: 0 reviews	Thanks guys for the answers.. Ill have to look into it all, jwyche, what did you pay for those UPR bushings? Brett! __________________ 2003 MazdaSPEED Protege. Lava Orange with all the go fast parts 1991 LX. 2.3T in the works. 1977 Pinto Wagon. New motor combo in the works for 2012, C4, 4.10s, 150 pill. Et. unkown 1969 Impala. Needs a resto. Im Canadian, Eh!

November 10th, 2008, 10:39 PM	#14
jwyche Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Collegedale, TN Posts: 70 iTrader: 0 reviews	Hey Brett, I paid $102.00 for them locally with tax at a small shop. I think you can get them online for about $88.00 if you can wait a couple days for delivery. From UPR they are $99.00 MUSTANG-UPR Products.com With the devaluation of the dollar (provided you don't get taxed to death) you may get them even cheaper. Good luck with your project. Jim __________________ 2002 GT, 1992 GT, 2008 Bullitt. Basic Senior Citizen Transportation for a 63 year old guy. See details at http://web.mac.com/jwyche

November 10th, 2008, 10:45 PM	#15
TheBrat Regular 91 Mustang LX Fastback We shall see when she gets done.. Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 443 iTrader: 0 reviews	Thanks for the luck... Ya, well our Economy is SHOT over here in Canada. Ill have to look into those as well I guess. Thanks much for all the help! Brett! __________________ 2003 MazdaSPEED Protege. Lava Orange with all the go fast parts 1991 LX. 2.3T in the works. 1977 Pinto Wagon. New motor combo in the works for 2012, C4, 4.10s, 150 pill. Et. unkown 1969 Impala. Needs a resto. Im Canadian, Eh!

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November 13th, 2008, 12:03 AM	#17
chaosstangman Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 175 iTrader: 0 reviews	is that a daily driver with those spherical bearings...... i heard that can be kinda annoying cause they rattle alot

November 13th, 2008, 09:02 AM	#18
91cobra5.0 Hardcore Enthusiast 98 Cobra Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bay Area, Ca Posts: 2,057 iTrader: 0 reviews	oooooooohhhhhhhhhhh so they reinforce were the controll arm bolts in. i get it

November 13th, 2008, 10:15 AM	#19
ryans88gt MM Fanatic Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bloomington, IL Posts: 4,737 iTrader: 0 reviews	I did this awhile ago, Major PITA. If you are going to do it, plan on the car being down for a few days. Also, the lower plates make a good place to tie in a roll cage to the torqu boxes. __________________ 88 GT CHI headed 351w 10.8 @ 125 - still figuring it out. 03 Cobra 2.3 whipple 10.7 @ 129 - sold it 04 Mach 1 12.7 @ 109 mostly stock - sold it 89 LX procharged 302 515 hp 497 ftlbs 10.7 @130 mph - sold it

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