5.0 potential

texas96gt · February 3rd, 2009, 11:09 PM

Hello everyone, I'm from the modular world. I've been curious lately about the 5.0's. How much horsepower are these motors capable of making with full bolt on's and a cam? I know that with the 4.6 2v it is a real struggle to make 350 N/A horsepower. With my 96' 4.6 2v I would have to do a head swap, intake manifold swap, new cams, and full bolt on's to get past 300 hp. What kind of numbers are yall getting from your Naturally Asperated 5.0's?

r.barn · February 3rd, 2009, 11:16 PM

You can find some good heads for cheap on the 5.0

Get some Explorer GT-40P heads $300
Simple cam swap $150
Long tubes
Better intake $300
MAF and TB $300

make 260-270rwhp.

Better heads like $1,000 twisted wedges will bump you real close
to the 300rwhp mark.

They like boost too.
Simple single turbo kit for about $2,500 on bone stock engine
will hit 400rwhp.

Doing head swaps on the 5.0 motor is a breeze, night and day
easier than working on the mod-motors, which require engine being pulled.

WildWill · February 3rd, 2009, 11:46 PM

+1 on what r.barn said...

It is a lot easier (and cheaper) to build n/a horsepower out of a 5.0 then the modular motors. working on those 4.6's is a pure PITA compared to working on these pushrod motors.
Below I've copied and pasted part of a thread from the Corral, to show you that it's really not that hard to hit that 350 hp mark... the OP is "Pure Stock" :

5.0L N/A stock shortblock H/C/I dyno #'s and VID.
Had the chance to wring out the ole' 5-Liter on the dyno this past weekend. The combination is not changed since the outing last October that produced a 10.76@123.63. This is a 302 N/A OEM stock shortblock sporting ported TFS T.W.'s, off the shelf hydraulic roller cam, and an out of the box Holley Systemax II intake. A Ford Motorsport Extender eliminates the 6,250 rev-limiter. No other tuning is employed in the combo (besides adjustable fuel press. reg. and advancing base timing)

SAE RWHP 344.81
SAE RWTQ 335.17
* 10.76 tune

*After making some adjustments on the dyno (eliminating alt. belt and altering induction piping we arrived at the highest numbers of the day.

SAE RWHP 351.99
SAE RWTQ 344.63

STD RWHP 360.04
STD RWTQ 352.51

Here is a video of one of the pulls.
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...ee018623d0.htm

texas96gt · February 3rd, 2009, 11:57 PM

Wow, thats impressive. Your right, 4.6's are a pain. The 5.0 seems so simple and striaght forward.

WildWill · February 4th, 2009, 12:01 AM

cuz that's exactly what it is... simple and straight forward. i mean, it's been around the block a few times (lol, like, forever...)

are you thinking about a swap into your 96? or buying another car or what?

texas96gt · February 4th, 2009, 12:11 AM

Maybe, thinking about selling my 96 and finding a 94 or 95 in better condition with less miles. I think I could make the same or more power with the 5.0 for less $. Plus the 5.0 have real metal intake manifolds not that cheap plastic crap like the 4.6's.

WildWill · February 4th, 2009, 12:20 AM

haha yeah i had an 02 GT a few years ago and i couldn't stand that there was plastic feeding my heads. that's just a bad idea.

my suggestion... GO FIVE-OHHHH!!!!!

ReverendDexter · February 4th, 2009, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by WildWill

haha yeah i had an 02 GT a few years ago and i couldn't stand that there was plastic feeding my heads. that's just a bad idea.

my suggestion... GO FIVE-OHHHH!!!!!

I'm curious as to why you don't care for the plastic intake? Seems to make sense to me, it's lighter than aluminum, and doesn't transmit heat to your intake charge. So long as it's strong enough to not melt or break from the vibration, it seems to me to be the hot ticket.

texas96gt · February 4th, 2009, 12:35 AM

Well, they crack. Ford so called fixed the cracking issue but I had the revised intake and I still had to replace it. The coolant just deteriorated the plastic around the aluminum coolant tube. Also if you run nitrous and you have a backfire your manifold could crack and bust.

WildWill · February 4th, 2009, 09:43 AM

yeah mine cracked too - and my 02 gt only had 50k on it! engine + plastic just didn't work out for me. i guess i'm biased about it because i had to deal with coolant getting everywhere, but i know some never bust so i guess it's luck-of-the-draw.

lowp51 · February 6th, 2009, 07:27 PM

I have a buddy with a 01 gt vert, and all he does is drool over my 95. plus Im faster than he is too! haha

Venomous_Stang · February 7th, 2009, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by lowp51

I have a buddy with a 01 gt vert, and all he does is drool over my 95. plus Im faster than he is too! haha

Ya my buddy has a 99 and a 04 gt and my 94 cobra walks him bad. He gets so mad.

342pony · February 7th, 2009, 10:48 PM

You can make sweet h.p. with the 5.0`s

342pony · February 7th, 2009, 10:49 PM

my last mustang had a 342 and went mid 11`s on motor.

WildWill · February 7th, 2009, 11:10 PM

342... what is it that your "looking for" right now?? are you in the market for an sn95?

342pony · February 7th, 2009, 11:59 PM

I have to put looking on hold now for a while. Have to pay off some bills and didn`t get back as much as I thought I was from income tax. But i would love to have another 95 GT. I`m abit confused on what body style I want again. My next one will hopefully be my last one...

texas96gt · February 8th, 2009, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by 342pony

my last mustang had a 342 and went mid 11`s on motor.

What year was your last mustang? What all did you have done to it to get it in the 11's?

Bullitt95 · February 8th, 2009, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by WildWill

5.0L N/A stock shortblock H/C/I dyno #'s and VID.
Had the chance to wring out the ole' 5-Liter on the dyno this past weekend. The combination is not changed since the outing last October that produced a 10.76@123.63. This is a 302 N/A OEM stock shortblock sporting ported TFS T.W.'s, off the shelf hydraulic roller cam, and an out of the box Holley Systemax II intake. A Ford Motorsport Extender eliminates the 6,250 rev-limiter. No other tuning is employed in the combo (besides adjustable fuel press. reg. and advancing base timing)

*After making some adjustments on the dyno (eliminating alt. belt and altering induction piping we arrived at the highest numbers of the day.

SAE RWHP 351.99
SAE RWTQ 344.63

Those are some of the best numbers I've ever seen from a naturally-aspirated 302. Very impressive. The video doesn't work though.
Do you have the dyno sheet and the full specs of that build?
Edit: never mind. Found the thread 5.0L N/A stock shortblock H/C/I dyno #'s and VID. - Corral Forums

342pony · February 9th, 2009, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by texas96gt

What year was your last mustang? What all did you have done to it to get it in the 11's?

It was a 91 hatchback. It had a 342 with x-303 cam,30lb injecters,75mm throtle body with spacer,80 mas air,edlebrock performer heads with stage 3 porting(no idea what they flowed),Edlebrock victor manifold port matched to the heads. It also had 410 gears and a 5-speed.

February 3rd, 2009, 11:09 PM	#1
texas96gt Regular 1996 Mustang GT n/a Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 153 iTrader: 0 reviews	5.0 potential Hello everyone, I'm from the modular world. I've been curious lately about the 5.0's. How much horsepower are these motors capable of making with full bolt on's and a cam? I know that with the 4.6 2v it is a real struggle to make 350 N/A horsepower. With my 96' 4.6 2v I would have to do a head swap, intake manifold swap, new cams, and full bolt on's to get past 300 hp. What kind of numbers are yall getting from your Naturally Asperated 5.0's? __________________ BBK CAI, BBK Plenum, BBK 70mm TB, 4.10 gears, BBK o/r H, FRPP headers, 2003 cobra's 255/40/18 front, 285/35/18 rear, Flowmaster 40 series.

February 3rd, 2009, 11:16 PM	#2
r.barn Regular 1989 LX Vert - 1993 Notch Fast Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houston Posts: 398 iTrader: 0 reviews	You can find some good heads for cheap on the 5.0 Get some Explorer GT-40P heads $300 Simple cam swap $150 Long tubes Better intake $300 MAF and TB $300 make 260-270rwhp. Better heads like $1,000 twisted wedges will bump you real close to the 300rwhp mark. They like boost too. Simple single turbo kit for about $2,500 on bone stock engine will hit 400rwhp. Doing head swaps on the 5.0 motor is a breeze, night and day easier than working on the mod-motors, which require engine being pulled. __________________ The last President elected in anger of previous President was ....... Jimmy Carter God Help Us

February 3rd, 2009, 11:46 PM	#3
WildWill Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Solomons, MD Posts: 1,112 iTrader: 0 reviews	+1 on what r.barn said... It is a lot easier (and cheaper) to build n/a horsepower out of a 5.0 then the modular motors. working on those 4.6's is a pure PITA compared to working on these pushrod motors. Below I've copied and pasted part of a thread from the Corral, to show you that it's really not that hard to hit that 350 hp mark... the OP is "Pure Stock" : 5.0L N/A stock shortblock H/C/I dyno #'s and VID. Had the chance to wring out the ole' 5-Liter on the dyno this past weekend. The combination is not changed since the outing last October that produced a 10.76@123.63. This is a 302 N/A OEM stock shortblock sporting ported TFS T.W.'s, off the shelf hydraulic roller cam, and an out of the box Holley Systemax II intake. A Ford Motorsport Extender eliminates the 6,250 rev-limiter. No other tuning is employed in the combo (besides adjustable fuel press. reg. and advancing base timing) SAE RWHP 344.81 SAE RWTQ 335.17 * 10.76 tune *After making some adjustments on the dyno (eliminating alt. belt and altering induction piping we arrived at the highest numbers of the day. SAE RWHP 351.99 SAE RWTQ 344.63 STD RWHP 360.04 STD RWTQ 352.51 Here is a video of one of the pulls. http://videos.streetfire.net/search/...ee018623d0.htm __________________ GT40p heads, 1.7 crane RR's, GT40 u/l, MAC LTs, MAC o/r h-pipe, Flowmaster 40s, 65mm t/b, '03 Cobra Bilstein Struts, Tokico Bullitt Shocks, MM c/c plates, Eibach Sportlines, B&M shifter, 255lph f/p, RAM p/g clutch, Fidanza alum fly, rebuilt t-5

February 3rd, 2009, 11:57 PM	#4
texas96gt Regular 1996 Mustang GT n/a Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 153 iTrader: 0 reviews	Wow, thats impressive. Your right, 4.6's are a pain. The 5.0 seems so simple and striaght forward. __________________ BBK CAI, BBK Plenum, BBK 70mm TB, 4.10 gears, BBK o/r H, FRPP headers, 2003 cobra's 255/40/18 front, 285/35/18 rear, Flowmaster 40 series.

February 4th, 2009, 12:01 AM	#5
WildWill Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Solomons, MD Posts: 1,112 iTrader: 0 reviews	cuz that's exactly what it is... simple and straight forward. i mean, it's been around the block a few times (lol, like, forever...) are you thinking about a swap into your 96? or buying another car or what? __________________ GT40p heads, 1.7 crane RR's, GT40 u/l, MAC LTs, MAC o/r h-pipe, Flowmaster 40s, 65mm t/b, '03 Cobra Bilstein Struts, Tokico Bullitt Shocks, MM c/c plates, Eibach Sportlines, B&M shifter, 255lph f/p, RAM p/g clutch, Fidanza alum fly, rebuilt t-5

February 4th, 2009, 12:11 AM	#6
texas96gt Regular 1996 Mustang GT n/a Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 153 iTrader: 0 reviews	Maybe, thinking about selling my 96 and finding a 94 or 95 in better condition with less miles. I think I could make the same or more power with the 5.0 for less $. Plus the 5.0 have real metal intake manifolds not that cheap plastic crap like the 4.6's. __________________ BBK CAI, BBK Plenum, BBK 70mm TB, 4.10 gears, BBK o/r H, FRPP headers, 2003 cobra's 255/40/18 front, 285/35/18 rear, Flowmaster 40 series.

February 4th, 2009, 12:20 AM	#7
WildWill Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Solomons, MD Posts: 1,112 iTrader: 0 reviews	haha yeah i had an 02 GT a few years ago and i couldn't stand that there was plastic feeding my heads. that's just a bad idea. my suggestion... GO FIVE-OHHHH!!!!! __________________ GT40p heads, 1.7 crane RR's, GT40 u/l, MAC LTs, MAC o/r h-pipe, Flowmaster 40s, 65mm t/b, '03 Cobra Bilstein Struts, Tokico Bullitt Shocks, MM c/c plates, Eibach Sportlines, B&M shifter, 255lph f/p, RAM p/g clutch, Fidanza alum fly, rebuilt t-5

February 4th, 2009, 12:35 AM	#9
texas96gt Regular 1996 Mustang GT n/a Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 153 iTrader: 0 reviews	Well, they crack. Ford so called fixed the cracking issue but I had the revised intake and I still had to replace it. The coolant just deteriorated the plastic around the aluminum coolant tube. Also if you run nitrous and you have a backfire your manifold could crack and bust. __________________ BBK CAI, BBK Plenum, BBK 70mm TB, 4.10 gears, BBK o/r H, FRPP headers, 2003 cobra's 255/40/18 front, 285/35/18 rear, Flowmaster 40 series.

February 4th, 2009, 09:43 AM	#10
WildWill Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Solomons, MD Posts: 1,112 iTrader: 0 reviews	yeah mine cracked too - and my 02 gt only had 50k on it! engine + plastic just didn't work out for me. i guess i'm biased about it because i had to deal with coolant getting everywhere, but i know some never bust so i guess it's luck-of-the-draw. __________________ GT40p heads, 1.7 crane RR's, GT40 u/l, MAC LTs, MAC o/r h-pipe, Flowmaster 40s, 65mm t/b, '03 Cobra Bilstein Struts, Tokico Bullitt Shocks, MM c/c plates, Eibach Sportlines, B&M shifter, 255lph f/p, RAM p/g clutch, Fidanza alum fly, rebuilt t-5

February 6th, 2009, 07:27 PM	#11
lowp51 Regular 1995 mustang gt Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 111 iTrader: 0 reviews	I have a buddy with a 01 gt vert, and all he does is drool over my 95. plus Im faster than he is too! haha __________________ If only superchargers grew on tree's

February 7th, 2009, 10:48 PM	#13
342pony Regular Looking right now Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: California Posts: 296 iTrader: 0 reviews	You can make sweet h.p. with the 5.0`s __________________

February 7th, 2009, 10:49 PM	#14
342pony Regular Looking right now Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: California Posts: 296 iTrader: 0 reviews	my last mustang had a 342 and went mid 11`s on motor. __________________

February 7th, 2009, 11:10 PM	#15
WildWill Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Solomons, MD Posts: 1,112 iTrader: 0 reviews	342... what is it that your "looking for" right now?? are you in the market for an sn95? __________________ GT40p heads, 1.7 crane RR's, GT40 u/l, MAC LTs, MAC o/r h-pipe, Flowmaster 40s, 65mm t/b, '03 Cobra Bilstein Struts, Tokico Bullitt Shocks, MM c/c plates, Eibach Sportlines, B&M shifter, 255lph f/p, RAM p/g clutch, Fidanza alum fly, rebuilt t-5

February 7th, 2009, 11:59 PM	#16
342pony Regular Looking right now Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: California Posts: 296 iTrader: 0 reviews	I have to put looking on hold now for a while. Have to pay off some bills and didn`t get back as much as I thought I was from income tax. But i would love to have another 95 GT. I`m abit confused on what body style I want again. My next one will hopefully be my last one... __________________

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