[lakefrontlivin]

I have a chance to pick up a Trick Flow Track Heat intake manifold setup for my 95 GT 5.0 Convertible for a good price.. But have already bought the Explorer intake setup.. Should I buy the trick flow setup and sell the Explorer setup ?? Just would like some opinions on which way to go ???

I'm thinking the trick flow way ..... Would I have to get anything besides the adaptor to run the track heat intake ?? Thanx in advance ,... Tom


**I had this post started in the 5.0 section by mistake.. This section might be able to get me some more answers or input... Maybe someone out there has done this..
I'll post a link to the other posting..Trick Flow Track Heat vs. Explorer Intake
Thanx, Tom

[95project]

it totally depends on what you want to do with the car? What are your plans? The explorer may suit your goals just fine..more detail on your goals and we can help.

[lakefrontlivin]

Just want to have a nice street car with some power for the occasional rip down the road or a trip to the dragstrip and not be embarrassed..

Tom

[Bullitt95]

With the Explorer intake you're limiting yourself to about 300rwhp whereas with the Trick Flow, you could reach 340rwhp depending on the rest of the engine combo. Tell us what's the rest of your engine combo is so we can make a recommendation.

[lakefrontlivin]

The car will have GT40 P heads with 1.7 roller rockers with the stock cam. Underdrive pulleys and CAI. Car is an automatic and am having 4.10 gears put in it in the spring along with the other parts mentioned... Stock exhaust for now.. Open to suggestions..

Tom

I'm leaning towards the Trick Flow intake as it will handle some more mods in the future ... When I get some cash or score some better heads...

[Bullitt95]

Originally Posted by lakefrontlivin The car will have GT40 P heads with 1.7 roller rockers with the stock cam. Underdrive pulleys and CAI. Car is an automatic and am having 4.10 gears put in it in the spring along with the other parts mentioned... Stock exhaust for now.. Open to suggestions.. Tom I'm leaning towards the Trick Flow intake as it will handle some more mods in the future ... When I get some cash or score some better heads...

In that case I'd suggest the Explorer intake and have the lower ported by Tom Moss. You should end up around the 250rwhp mark (rwhp figures I mentioned earlier were for a T5 so subtract 12% for an AODE/4R70W).
As for gears, I recommend the 3.73 that I have. The 4.10 is too steep and your tranny would be shifting into overdrive long before you reach the 1/4 mile. The 4.10 will also make 1st gear virtually useless.

[817B!GT3X]

^ Nothing but Bull shit in that post.

For know you can put the heads and advance the stock cam by 4* Degrees. I would get the intake and sell the Explorer intake on ebay to get some of your money back.

Do you know what the car runs in the 1/4 mile?

[Bullitt95]

Originally Posted by 817B!GT3X ^ Nothing but Bull shit in that post.

Oh really? If you're going to call BS at least have the decency to provide an explanation!

I stand by my suggestion of using the Explorer intake on the GT40P heads (advancing the stock cam 4 degrees is a good idea as per Tmoss combo) but Tom could still get the Trick Flow intake and keep it on one side until he gets higher-flowing heads. Then he can install heads/intake at the same time and sell the Explorer intake. Tom would need to upgrade the fuel pump and swap in 24lb injectors plus calibrated MAF with the higher-flowing heads/TFS intake.
Since the exhaust is still stock, that needs to go and be replaced by LT headers, midpipe (O/R or catted depending on state), and 2.5" catbacks. No point in having high-flowing heads if they're choked off by the stock exhaust.

[817B!GT3X]

I am referring to the gear comment you stated.


2.5 exhaust are you serious???

No point aswell as having great heads when getting choke by 2.5 exhuast. Get 3 inch piping if you can

With that Trick Flow intake and Trick Flow heads and a custom valve train, and cam from Jay Allen you will easily get in the 11's.

[Bullitt95]

Originally Posted by 817B!GT3X I am referring to the gear comment you stated. 2.5 exhaust are you serious??? No point aswell as having great heads when getting choke by 2.5 exhuast. Get 3 inch piping if you can

A dual 2.5" exhaust will support up to 500fwhp which is more than enough for a N/A 5.0. A dual 3" exhaust will support up to 700fwhp.
As for the gear, I'd only recommend a 4.10 if you have a 3000+rpm stall converter, an engine that breathes to 6000+rpm, and have programmed the tranny to shift at 6000+rpm.

Originally Posted by 817B!GT3X With that Trick Flow intake and Trick Flow heads and a custom valve train, and cam from Jay Allen you will easily get in the 11's.

With an automatic, mid-12's are more likely. The TFS stuff with custom cam and higher stall converter should put down about 285-290rwhp.

[cantbuytime]

There is no need for 3" exhaust.. 2.5" will be more then enough.. You would need to be cranking out serious power for that need.. but having 4 cats and stock headers will choke the livin crap out of any motor.. 2.5" stainless exhaust, 2 high flow cats, an H or X pipe and long tubes will make a world of difference..

My ex had a 1999 4.6 with all factory exhaust and bullet glass packs.. We went in and added all 3" pipe and flowmaster mufflers.. She lost 29HP and 17tq from this.. FI motors under 350hp usually dont do too well with no back pressure... I tried to tell her but she wanted it done..

On the intake, you should consider long term goals.. Your best bet is a trickflow setup so it can be used if you build a mo power engine..LOL.. Explorer intake is fine if you never plan on getting over 350hp..

[817B!GT3X]

You did it on a Modular that don't respond great to big exhaust.

This a Pushrod we are talking about, and don't say that 3" exhaust will hurt tq bull shit its nothing but a myth.


Please tell me why its to much for a 350hp car

[cantbuytime]

Its not a necessity.. 3" exhaust on a 350hp motor instead of 2.5 "MIGHT" give you 1 or 2 hp difference..


Most street engines under 500hp need some kind of back pressure.

Even the placement of the mufflers in the exhaust system can make a difference in hp and tq cause of backpressure..

I wasnt saying the 3" will hurt the tq. I was just saying its not really gonna help him to have 3" on what he is building..

[Bullitt95]

Only turbo engines "need" some exhaust backpressure in order to allow the turbo to spool up faster especially at low rpm and reduce lag. N/A engines perform best with the least possible backpressure. Too big an exhaust creates more backpressure at low rpm because exhaust gases travel too slowly down the pipes, resulting in a loss of low rpm torque. The optimum size pipe allows exhaust gases to travel as fast as possible over the widest possible rpm range. For a 350hp engine, a dual 2.5" system is plenty enough.

[cantbuytime]

Originally Posted by Bullitt95 Only turbo engines "need" some exhaust backpressure in order to allow the turbo to spool up faster especially at low rpm and reduce lag. N/A engines perform best with the least possible backpressure. Too big an exhaust creates more backpressure at low rpm because exhaust gases travel too slowly down the pipes, resulting in a loss of low rpm torque. The optimum size pipe allows exhaust gases to travel as fast as possible over the widest possible rpm range. For a 350hp engine, a dual 2.5" system is plenty enough.

i am horrible at explaining things..sorry

bullitt95 hit the nail on the head..

[817B!GT3X]

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I also have personal experience with changing my 2.5 exhaust to a 3 inch exhaust, and noticing a great gain from it

[Bullitt95]

Originally Posted by 817B!GT3X I also have personal experience with changing my 2.5 exhaust to a 3 inch exhaust, and noticing a great gain from it

What's your set-up? Everyone's is different so the result of going from a 2.5" to a 3" exhaust will also be different.