Distributer Problems!

black95conv · December 6th, 2007, 09:09 PM

I was driving my 1995 mustang to work about a week ago. It started studdering a little and progress very quickly to a stall. I luckily broke down in front of a mechanic shop. He said it didn't have spark, so it was the distributer and replaced with a reman. distributer from Orielly. I picked the car up and immediatly drove about 50 miles. The car started to studder again and quickly stalled out. I got it towed home and pulled the distributer cap and found fine metal filings and fine plastic filings. I checked the codes and got 211 and 212. I then called the mechanic and he got me another distributer. I started the car prior to puting the new distributer and it was still missing very badly. I immediatly replaced the dist. I drove the car to work the next day, about 30 miles one way.On my way home I felt the car studder one time and then it ran fine all the way home. I pulled the dist capand found small metal filings. Are the filing normal? What could be the reason for these problems. Oh I forgot, I also replaced the ignition control module.

Bullitt95 · December 7th, 2007, 06:05 AM

Something's definitely wrong if you're getting plastic & metal filings inside the distributor and this indicates abnormal wear. The question is why is this happening? Did you replace the old distributor with a brand new distributor or another used one? If it was used, it's possible that the distributor shaft is worn and causing a lot of slop in the rotor.
My advice would be to pull the distributor and check the shaft & drivegear for wear.

black95conv · December 7th, 2007, 08:55 AM

Both new distributers were remanufactured and came from Orielly auto parts. The second one that I put in was definately a good distributer, no slop in the shaft and spins true inside the cap.

black95conv · December 10th, 2007, 10:41 PM

Hey guys,any more suggestions? I am totally lost on this one. I would put a new MSD in it but I dont want to burn that up to. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Bullitt95 · December 11th, 2007, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by black95conv

Hey guys,any more suggestions? I am totally lost on this one.

So am I.

Jared_blown5.0 · December 11th, 2007, 10:39 AM

cam new? How does the teeth on the cam look?

black95conv · December 11th, 2007, 11:36 PM

I'm not sure how many miles the cam has on it. I know the stock was replaced with a b303. How should I check this?

Bullitt95 · December 12th, 2007, 07:07 AM

Pull out the distributor and shine a light down the hole. You should see the cam gear down there and be able to tell if they're worn. Unless the distributor drive gear teeth were worn, I very much doubt the cam gear teeth would be worn. Cam gear teeth are usually much harder and it's the distributor gear teeth that go first (the reason is that it's easier to pull the distributor than it is to replace a cam).

black95conv · December 19th, 2007, 01:18 AM

Well, just a quick update. I finally had time to take her for a spin. I drove about 30 miles before she started to act up. I was luckily able to nurse her home by driving slowly. Any time I tried to give her somemore gas she would start bucking and the tach would start bouncing around. I will pull codes and check under the distributer cap tomorrow. Any help would be great. Thanks

ujslost · December 25th, 2007, 10:07 AM

this is weird as hell really, doesnt make sense to me that it only happens after warming up and a few miles.

black95conv · December 28th, 2007, 11:58 PM

Sorry,I have been busy at work. Unable to drive the car now because it is missing to badly. I havent had a chance to pull the distributer yet. I am still stumped. I guess its the camshaft. Not sure?????

ujslost · December 29th, 2007, 12:01 AM

oh second thought, im gonna say Fuel pump. getting hot and shutting off. dont know why i didnt think of that before. I have seen it many times.

black95conv · December 29th, 2007, 12:07 AM

What about the plastic and metal filings in the distributer? It is also missing upon startup now too.

Bullitt95 · December 30th, 2007, 10:26 AM

Have you pulled the distributor to check the drive gear teeth?

black95conv · December 30th, 2007, 05:39 PM

yes,the teeth on the cam look good. I am leaning towards the fuel pump or the regulator today. I went for a 10 mile drive this morning. The miss was gone and the car ran like a dream. If the distributer was broken, it would still be running bad. Can a fuel preasure regulator go bad and give to much preasure?

Tony_90fox · December 31st, 2007, 12:31 AM

even with the NEW distributor, are there metals filings in there?

black95conv · December 31st, 2007, 09:30 PM

yes, I am gonna clean them out. I am not sure if this is normal. It has the texture of powder. Very fine.

flamedstang95 · January 17th, 2008, 03:13 PM

Get a Napa dizzy! The only place I buy my parts from and have never had a problem with them. I think the armature is hitting the PIP sensor inside the dizzy and that's causing your metal and plastic shavings. The fuel pump is another possibility but I'm leaning more towards dizzy problems.

black95conv · January 20th, 2008, 11:47 PM

That is exactly what is happening. I just thought maybe it would happen a little. I guess not though. I think i'm just gonna buy an MSD or something. When I got the current distributer the sensor was tight. now it is kinda loose and isnt tight anymore.

flamedstang95 · January 21st, 2008, 09:15 AM

Don't waste your money on an MSD dizzy. You'll be lucky to get a year out of it. Take your current one back to O'Reilly and get your money back. Obviously their dizzy's are junk. I've had my Napa reman in for over a year now and haven't had a problem.

December 6th, 2007, 09:09 PM	#1
black95conv Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27 iTrader: 0 reviews	Distributer Problems! I was driving my 1995 mustang to work about a week ago. It started studdering a little and progress very quickly to a stall. I luckily broke down in front of a mechanic shop. He said it didn't have spark, so it was the distributer and replaced with a reman. distributer from Orielly. I picked the car up and immediatly drove about 50 miles. The car started to studder again and quickly stalled out. I got it towed home and pulled the distributer cap and found fine metal filings and fine plastic filings. I checked the codes and got 211 and 212. I then called the mechanic and he got me another distributer. I started the car prior to puting the new distributer and it was still missing very badly. I immediatly replaced the dist. I drove the car to work the next day, about 30 miles one way.On my way home I felt the car studder one time and then it ran fine all the way home. I pulled the dist capand found small metal filings. Are the filing normal? What could be the reason for these problems. Oh I forgot, I also replaced the ignition control module.

December 7th, 2007, 06:05 AM	#2
Bullitt95 Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT auto 13.546 @ 105.32 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Al Ain, UAE Posts: 1,452 iTrader: 0 reviews	Something's definitely wrong if you're getting plastic & metal filings inside the distributor and this indicates abnormal wear. The question is why is this happening? Did you replace the old distributor with a brand new distributor or another used one? If it was used, it's possible that the distributor shaft is worn and causing a lot of slop in the rotor. My advice would be to pull the distributor and check the shaft & drivegear for wear. __________________ 243.5rwhp/284.2rwtq Mod list in My Garage

December 11th, 2007, 10:39 AM	#6
Jared_blown5.0 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Buffalo Posts: 46 iTrader: 0 reviews	cam new? How does the teeth on the cam look? __________________ 94 Mustang GT Convertible 347, afr 185, comp cam, trickflow r-series, tweecer R/T... just installed vortech sq trim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0BUN0bnO7E

December 25th, 2007, 10:07 AM	#10
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,920 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	this is weird as hell really, doesnt make sense to me that it only happens after warming up and a few miles. __________________ 1986 Mustang GT t-top time piece!

December 29th, 2007, 12:01 AM	#12
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,920 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	oh second thought, im gonna say Fuel pump. getting hot and shutting off. dont know why i didnt think of that before. I have seen it many times. __________________ 1986 Mustang GT t-top time piece!

December 7th, 2007, 08:55 AM	#3
black95conv Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27 iTrader: 0 reviews	Both new distributers were remanufactured and came from Orielly auto parts. The second one that I put in was definately a good distributer, no slop in the shaft and spins true inside the cap.

December 10th, 2007, 10:41 PM	#4
black95conv Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27 iTrader: 0 reviews	Hey guys,any more suggestions? I am totally lost on this one. I would put a new MSD in it but I dont want to burn that up to. Any help is greatly appreciated.

December 11th, 2007, 11:36 PM	#7
black95conv Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'm not sure how many miles the cam has on it. I know the stock was replaced with a b303. How should I check this?

December 12th, 2007, 07:07 AM	#8
Bullitt95 Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT auto 13.546 @ 105.32 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Al Ain, UAE Posts: 1,452 iTrader: 0 reviews	Pull out the distributor and shine a light down the hole. You should see the cam gear down there and be able to tell if they're worn. Unless the distributor drive gear teeth were worn, I very much doubt the cam gear teeth would be worn. Cam gear teeth are usually much harder and it's the distributor gear teeth that go first (the reason is that it's easier to pull the distributor than it is to replace a cam).

December 19th, 2007, 01:18 AM	#9
black95conv Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27 iTrader: 0 reviews	Well, just a quick update. I finally had time to take her for a spin. I drove about 30 miles before she started to act up. I was luckily able to nurse her home by driving slowly. Any time I tried to give her somemore gas she would start bucking and the tach would start bouncing around. I will pull codes and check under the distributer cap tomorrow. Any help would be great. Thanks

December 28th, 2007, 11:58 PM	#11
black95conv Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27 iTrader: 0 reviews	Sorry,I have been busy at work. Unable to drive the car now because it is missing to badly. I havent had a chance to pull the distributer yet. I am still stumped. I guess its the camshaft. Not sure?????

December 29th, 2007, 12:07 AM	#13
black95conv Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27 iTrader: 0 reviews	What about the plastic and metal filings in the distributer? It is also missing upon startup now too.

December 30th, 2007, 10:26 AM	#14
Bullitt95 Hardcore Enthusiast 1995 Mustang GT auto 13.546 @ 105.32 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Al Ain, UAE Posts: 1,452 iTrader: 0 reviews	Have you pulled the distributor to check the drive gear teeth?

December 30th, 2007, 05:39 PM	#15
black95conv Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27 iTrader: 0 reviews	yes,the teeth on the cam look good. I am leaning towards the fuel pump or the regulator today. I went for a 10 mile drive this morning. The miss was gone and the car ran like a dream. If the distributer was broken, it would still be running bad. Can a fuel preasure regulator go bad and give to much preasure?

December 31st, 2007, 12:31 AM	#16
Tony_90fox Banned Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY Posts: 3,803 iTrader: 0 reviews	even with the NEW distributor, are there metals filings in there? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] [B][U]MM Sapper Squad[/U][/B] [QUOTE=Regency 2007;1676187]MSO's stupidity has never stopped amazing me since the day he joined this forum.[/QUOTE]

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December 31st, 2007, 09:30 PM	#17
black95conv Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27 iTrader: 0 reviews	yes, I am gonna clean them out. I am not sure if this is normal. It has the texture of powder. Very fine.

January 17th, 2008, 03:13 PM	#18
flamedstang95 Regular 1995 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Magnolia, DE Posts: 386 iTrader: 0 reviews	Get a Napa dizzy! The only place I buy my parts from and have never had a problem with them. I think the armature is hitting the PIP sensor inside the dizzy and that's causing your metal and plastic shavings. The fuel pump is another possibility but I'm leaning more towards dizzy problems. __________________ See garage for mods

January 20th, 2008, 11:47 PM	#19
black95conv Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27 iTrader: 0 reviews	That is exactly what is happening. I just thought maybe it would happen a little. I guess not though. I think i'm just gonna buy an MSD or something. When I got the current distributer the sensor was tight. now it is kinda loose and isnt tight anymore.

January 21st, 2008, 09:15 AM	#20
flamedstang95 Regular 1995 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Magnolia, DE Posts: 386 iTrader: 0 reviews	Don't waste your money on an MSD dizzy. You'll be lucky to get a year out of it. Take your current one back to O'Reilly and get your money back. Obviously their dizzy's are junk. I've had my Napa reman in for over a year now and haven't had a problem. __________________ See garage for mods

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