windsor heads?

Boostang · April 2nd, 2009, 02:49 PM

i was told i was able too ues my 97 timing cover with these heads for my pi swap and that all i needed were the longer bolts?!
can anyone tell me if this is true or not!?
thanks!

acmillr · April 2nd, 2009, 02:50 PM

Do yourself a favor and stick with Romeo parts.

Boostang · April 2nd, 2009, 03:10 PM

is there a flow difference between the two?
i've already purchased these heads..

acmillr · April 2nd, 2009, 03:16 PM

Really no performance difference. The bolts are different sizes and the cam retainers are inferior IMO.

4.6LMadness · April 2nd, 2009, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by acmillr

Really no performance difference. The bolts are different sizes and the cam retainers are inferior IMO.

Wrong, Romeo cam caps are worse. They have girdles connecting the caps and they tend to crack. Windsor heads use individual cam caps. You dont need longer bolts just bigger ones. m10 1.5 and you will need 8 of them. 4 are studs and the other 4 are regular bolts.

4.6LMadness · April 2nd, 2009, 04:48 PM

all 8 are suppose to be studs but you really only need studs for the top part of the heads because that is where your accessories mount. Not quite sure why the other 4 are studs but it will save you a couple bucks by not purchasing them.

NeverEnuff · April 2nd, 2009, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by 4.6LMadness

Wrong, Romeo cam caps are worse. They have girdles connecting the caps and they tend to crack. Windsor heads use individual cam caps. You dont need longer bolts just bigger ones. m10 1.5 and you will need 8 of them. 4 are studs and the other 4 are regular bolts.

I second that. Why else would Ford use the same style cam caps on the GT heads...Ford GT that is...

Boostang · April 3rd, 2009, 12:47 AM

so i dont need to purchase another timing cover right?

4.6LMadness · April 3rd, 2009, 12:48 AM

nope the difference is inside the timing cover not out

acmillr · April 3rd, 2009, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by 4.6LMadness

Wrong, Romeo cam caps are worse. They have girdles connecting the caps and they tend to crack. Windsor heads use individual cam caps. You dont need longer bolts just bigger ones. m10 1.5 and you will need 8 of them. 4 are studs and the other 4 are regular bolts.

I believe that this thread will help give everyone an idea of how much knowledge and mod motor experience this guy has.

acmillr · April 3rd, 2009, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by NeverEnuff

I second that. Why else would Ford use the same style cam caps on the GT heads...Ford GT that is...

Way different material.

SWEET2KSTANG · April 3rd, 2009, 09:00 AM

and here we go.............

acmillr · April 3rd, 2009, 10:03 AM

Sorry Sweet, I didn't realize this guy was the technical power house that he obviously is. I'll make sure and keep my mouth shut from now on. This fella' definitely has his shit together on this whole mod motor thing.

Originally Posted by 4.6LMadness

PI heads out of a 2000gt mustang wouldnt fit my block would they, am going to need the whole engine? 98GT is wat i drive

Originally Posted by 4.6LMadness

from wat iv come to understand tho is the bolt pattern on the windsor heads are different than ares are

Originally Posted by 4.6LMadness

When you port out heads is it a "must" to have them chemically dipped to get the metal shavings out or is an air compressor and a rag good enough?

Originally Posted by 4.6LMadness

Ok i got my PI heads today and noticed something odd, i'm missing to rollers and i guess some sort of spring. Not the valve spring but the other one beside it.

My question is, can i use two off of my NPI heads?

Originally Posted by 4.6LMadness

Is the oil pressure suppose to fluctuate with engine revs or dose are motor have that on/off switch the trucks have. You either have enough so it looks normal all the time or your low and it shows no pressure.

My favorite by far.....

Originally Posted by 4.6LMadness

My friend seems to think im going to blow something apart with the 10.5 compression the car will make, any one can verify this or is it safe with stock internals?

4.6LMadness · April 3rd, 2009, 01:15 PM

you mean to tell me its impossible for someone to learn? iv done a lot of reading and just sharing what i know about the heads. There is no need to be a dick. I'm not telling him how to install them asshole.

4.6LMadness · April 3rd, 2009, 01:33 PM

And i dont see the problem with half those questions. I think its very sensible to learn a bit before you decide to do something. This guy is just wanting to know if his heads would work and here you are bashing his thread with stupid BS like this. I doubt you were born with a brain full of knowledge that god himself deiced you were fit for. We all started somewhere but nope not you. Genius from birth. If your going to flame me do it in a PM, dont jack up his thread with stupid bullshit like this.

acmillr · April 3rd, 2009, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by 4.6LMadness

And i dont see the problem with half those questions. I think its very sensible to learn a bit before you decide to do something. This guy is just wanting to know if his heads would work and here you are bashing his thread with stupid BS like this. I doubt you were born with a brain full of knowledge that god himself deiced you were fit for. We all started somewhere but nope not you. Genius from birth. If your going to flame me do it in a PM, dont jack up his thread with stupid bullshit like this.

Just setting the record straight. I don't want you to be giving out info like you are some kind of technical wizard with a degree in metallurgy. If you feel as though you genuinely possess the knowledge you are advertising, you have no reason to get defensive. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

4.6LMadness · April 3rd, 2009, 01:48 PM

............All i did was tell him the heads would work and what extra pieces he needed, and then out of nowhere....BAM.....you with a butt ton of BS that is completely irrelevant to this thread. I never once claimed i know everything. Nor do i think i do. Why else would i still be asking for help when i have problems?

4.6LMadness · April 3rd, 2009, 01:49 PM

What record?!

acmillr · April 3rd, 2009, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by 4.6LMadness

............All i did was tell him the heads would work and what extra pieces he needed, and then out of nowhere....BAM.....you with a butt ton of BS that is completely irrelevant to this thread. I never once claimed i know everything. Nor do i think i do. Why else would i still be asking for help when i have problems?

Originally Posted by 4.6LMadness

Wrong, Romeo cam caps are worse. They have girdles connecting the caps and they tend to crack. Windsor heads use individual cam caps. You dont need longer bolts just bigger ones. m10 1.5 and you will need 8 of them. 4 are studs and the other 4 are regular bolts.

Given your obvious limited knowledge on the subject, I don't see how you know that "they tend to crack". Perhaps you could offer some specific examples of where you have seen this happen.

4.6LMadness · April 3rd, 2009, 03:41 PM

Pictures and other post on the web is where iv come across this knowledge and it also seems to be a wide spread belief that the romeo cam caps are inferior to Windsor. Iv yet to see any evidence of Windsor cam caps failing. If the romeo cam girdles were such "High quality" why were they tossed aside for individual cam caps in the new 3v GT's?

April 2nd, 2009, 02:49 PM	#1
Boostang Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT 11.01@128.32 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Seale, Alabama Posts: 1,747 iTrader: 0 reviews	windsor heads? i was told i was able too ues my 97 timing cover with these heads for my pi swap and that all i needed were the longer bolts?! can anyone tell me if this is true or not!? thanks! __________________ If It Dont Flow It Wont Go!!! forged pistons,teksid block and a romeo cast cranks for sale.. pm if interested.. selling them for next too nothing

April 2nd, 2009, 02:50 PM	#2
acmillr MM's Mad Scientist Slow Fella Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tupelo, MS Posts: 5,111 iTrader: 2 reviews	Do yourself a favor and stick with Romeo parts. __________________

April 2nd, 2009, 03:10 PM	#3
Boostang Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT 11.01@128.32 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Seale, Alabama Posts: 1,747 iTrader: 0 reviews	is there a flow difference between the two? i've already purchased these heads.. __________________ If It Dont Flow It Wont Go!!! forged pistons,teksid block and a romeo cast cranks for sale.. pm if interested.. selling them for next too nothing

April 2nd, 2009, 03:16 PM	#4
acmillr MM's Mad Scientist Slow Fella Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tupelo, MS Posts: 5,111 iTrader: 2 reviews	Really no performance difference. The bolts are different sizes and the cam retainers are inferior IMO. __________________

April 3rd, 2009, 12:47 AM	#8
Boostang Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT 11.01@128.32 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Seale, Alabama Posts: 1,747 iTrader: 0 reviews	so i dont need to purchase another timing cover right? __________________ If It Dont Flow It Wont Go!!! forged pistons,teksid block and a romeo cast cranks for sale.. pm if interested.. selling them for next too nothing

April 2nd, 2009, 04:48 PM	#6
4.6LMadness Enthusiast 1998 GT Mustang N/A Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portsmouth, Ohio Posts: 845 iTrader: 0 reviews	all 8 are suppose to be studs but you really only need studs for the top part of the heads because that is where your accessories mount. Not quite sure why the other 4 are studs but it will save you a couple bucks by not purchasing them.

April 3rd, 2009, 12:48 AM	#9
4.6LMadness Enthusiast 1998 GT Mustang N/A Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portsmouth, Ohio Posts: 845 iTrader: 0 reviews	nope the difference is inside the timing cover not out

April 3rd, 2009, 09:00 AM	#12
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	and here we go............. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

April 3rd, 2009, 01:15 PM	#14
4.6LMadness Enthusiast 1998 GT Mustang N/A Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portsmouth, Ohio Posts: 845 iTrader: 0 reviews	you mean to tell me its impossible for someone to learn? iv done a lot of reading and just sharing what i know about the heads. There is no need to be a dick. I'm not telling him how to install them asshole. Last edited by 4.6LMadness; April 3rd, 2009 at 01:34 PM.

April 3rd, 2009, 01:33 PM	#15
4.6LMadness Enthusiast 1998 GT Mustang N/A Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portsmouth, Ohio Posts: 845 iTrader: 0 reviews	And i dont see the problem with half those questions. I think its very sensible to learn a bit before you decide to do something. This guy is just wanting to know if his heads would work and here you are bashing his thread with stupid BS like this. I doubt you were born with a brain full of knowledge that god himself deiced you were fit for. We all started somewhere but nope not you. Genius from birth. If your going to flame me do it in a PM, dont jack up his thread with stupid bullshit like this.

April 3rd, 2009, 01:48 PM	#17
4.6LMadness Enthusiast 1998 GT Mustang N/A Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portsmouth, Ohio Posts: 845 iTrader: 0 reviews	............All i did was tell him the heads would work and what extra pieces he needed, and then out of nowhere....BAM.....you with a butt ton of BS that is completely irrelevant to this thread. I never once claimed i know everything. Nor do i think i do. Why else would i still be asking for help when i have problems?

April 3rd, 2009, 01:49 PM	#18
4.6LMadness Enthusiast 1998 GT Mustang N/A Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portsmouth, Ohio Posts: 845 iTrader: 0 reviews	What record?!

April 3rd, 2009, 03:41 PM	#20
4.6LMadness Enthusiast 1998 GT Mustang N/A Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portsmouth, Ohio Posts: 845 iTrader: 0 reviews	Pictures and other post on the web is where iv come across this knowledge and it also seems to be a wide spread belief that the romeo cam caps are inferior to Windsor. Iv yet to see any evidence of Windsor cam caps failing. If the romeo cam girdles were such "High quality" why were they tossed aside for individual cam caps in the new 3v GT's?

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