Advice on next mod

Scott2001GT · November 9th, 2009, 02:20 PM

i have 4:10s in my auto

AdaBoNGT · November 9th, 2009, 02:40 PM

Yeah im not going any higher than 4.10. Either 3.73 or 4.10

Mach Boy · November 9th, 2009, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by 97mustanggt

if its manual get a aftermarket shifter, and some suspension work, all that power u want is worthless if you cant stick it to tha ground.

No offense but what power? He's making less than 200rwhp. Do a PI swap with cams if you can afford it and then go suspension.

97mustanggt · November 9th, 2009, 02:52 PM

fine fine, haha just get some sticky tires cause even tho tha power aint that high still spins out like a bitch

zigbigadoru · November 9th, 2009, 04:23 PM

pi swap with cams

AdaBoNGT · November 9th, 2009, 05:34 PM

Less than 200rwHP? I'm pretty sure i'm easily @ 200+ rwHP. A stock automatic '98GT definitely less than 200rwhp around 180rwhp.

97S281 · November 9th, 2009, 06:41 PM

Do the swap yourself and you'll have enough left over for the gears or exhaust. There are write ups in the forum sticky that will walk you through the swap.

Mach Boy · November 9th, 2009, 08:04 PM

With a 17% drivetrain loss you're looking at roughly 35-40hp lost from the base 225hp on a 96-98 Mustang GT. UDPs and a CAI might net you 10 rwhp if you're lucky. Or you could swap over to the PI heads and be at 230rwhp plus the hp picked up from the UDPs and CAI. Hate me if you want but the numbers don't lie and for a few hundred bucks that's a hell of a deal.

SWEET2KSTANG · November 9th, 2009, 10:14 PM

200ish rwhp is about right. i would look into the pi swap. if you on a budget, atleast to the intake manifold and pi cams. you could do the headers and mid pipe as well with the left over $$$.

AdaBoNGT · November 10th, 2009, 01:19 AM

Sorry Mach Boy, you must have missed when i said what mods i had. I agree a stock 98 GT would be less than 200rwhp. I have a CAI, catback flowmaster exhaust, ford racing pullies, and an SCT tuner set @ 93 octane performance. Also all the fluids in my car are Royal Purple which gives a few (pretty much meaning less) HP.

Mach Boy · November 10th, 2009, 09:58 AM

The oil will add nothing measureable so don't even mention it or people will laugh in your face and ask if you have any stickers that add HP. If the UDPs, CAI, and catback added 15rwhp I'd be extremely surprised. The tune will add a few as well, but is it a canned tune or was it dyno/track tuned? Whatever that's not the point. The point is if you get the PI swap you're picking up 40hp. And with your weight advantage you will be able to hang with a lot of the turbo 4 bangers out there as well as the PI GTs.

SWEET2KSTANG · November 10th, 2009, 10:01 AM

its not uncommon for npi cars to be get 200ish rwhp with minor mods.

Mach Boy · November 10th, 2009, 10:12 AM

Right I'm not stating that. It is likely that he is right around 200. Not much above or below. He still doesn't have a high flow midpipe which would be the biggest gain as far as bolt ons go. But a PI swap is the best thing he could do for minimal cash without doing nitrous.

AdaBoNGT · November 10th, 2009, 04:38 PM

Being very ungenerous and taking 20% off stock HP id only need 250hp to get 200rwhp. So seeing as before i even got my tuner i was keeping up with an stock '04 GT (260hp) makes me think i was a little closer to the 200rwhp then since '04 GTs make 208 rwhp. I also had another person in my car and the '04 was just the driver.

As for my next mod i think PI swap is set in stone, after that comes the x-pipe/LT headers.

AdaBoNGT · November 11th, 2009, 03:19 PM

I've been hearing the only major difference between PI and NPI is largely the CAMs. What would the difference be if i did the full PI swap vs some good comp CAMs?

97S281 · November 11th, 2009, 07:22 PM

Most of the power gained from the pi swap comes from the cams and intake. The advantage to adding the heads comes in the higher compression ratio from the different head size.

will2045 · December 24th, 2009, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by 96sickstang

i am sellin my new still in box bbk longtube headers with a o/r x pipe if ur interested hit me up

still got this cause im interested now if so.

will2045 · December 24th, 2009, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by AdaBoNGT

Sorry Mach Boy, you must have missed when i said what mods i had. I agree a stock 98 GT would be less than 200rwhp. I have a CAI, catback flowmaster exhaust, ford racing pullies, and an SCT tuner set @ 93 octane performance. Also all the fluids in my car are Royal Purple which gives a few (pretty much meaning less) HP.

how much gain did you notice after the under drive pulleys? im in a very similar spot, just got my 96GT yesterday and am already looking for suggestions for more power. its totally stock right now. sorry im invading your thread but this is exactly what im trying to figure out. i was considering the motor swap to a 351W but id rather just do it this way and save a little blood. let me know how any of these worked out for you and what you would reccomend after doing all this because im anxious to get started on this, thanks man.

sharkbait · December 25th, 2009, 12:26 AM

I only made 227 rwhp running 6psi
But im the baddest 227rwhp car on the road =)

November 9th, 2009, 02:20 PM	#21
Scott2001GT BYAHHHH! 2001 Mustang GT 13.874 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 14,628 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 3 reviews	i have 4:10s in my auto __________________ Precision Turbo\|TurboSmart\|TeamZ\|Strange\|Hellion\|BBK\|SCT\|Edge Converters\|Fairbanks\|CG Fabrications\|Treadstone 4V swap in the works

November 9th, 2009, 02:52 PM	#24
97mustanggt Hardcore Enthusiast 97GT & 97Snake & 00L T.B.A Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Richgrove, Ca Posts: 2,196 iTrader: 0 reviews	fine fine, haha just get some sticky tires cause even tho tha power aint that high still spins out like a bitch __________________ 97 Cobra & 00 Lightning Beauty & The Beast I rev next to hybrids so they can hear me kill the environment MM Cobra Club Member #77 MM Lightning Club Founder

November 9th, 2009, 06:41 PM	#27
97S281 Rollin' 18/ pushin' 2 1997 Saleen S281 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Zebulon N.C. Posts: 6,259 iTrader: 13 reviews	Do the swap yourself and you'll have enough left over for the gears or exhaust. There are write ups in the forum sticky that will walk you through the swap. __________________ MODS IN GARAGE NCMM ORIGINAL BLOWN 96-98 CREW MEMBER # 1

November 9th, 2009, 08:04 PM	#28
Mach Boy MM's Orangest 2004 Mach 1 Mustang Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indy Posts: 2,820 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	With a 17% drivetrain loss you're looking at roughly 35-40hp lost from the base 225hp on a 96-98 Mustang GT. UDPs and a CAI might net you 10 rwhp if you're lucky. Or you could swap over to the PI heads and be at 230rwhp plus the hp picked up from the UDPs and CAI. Hate me if you want but the numbers don't lie and for a few hundred bucks that's a hell of a deal. __________________ 360HP / 345TQ N/A

November 9th, 2009, 10:14 PM	#29
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,430 iTrader: 8 reviews	200ish rwhp is about right. i would look into the pi swap. if you on a budget, atleast to the intake manifold and pi cams. you could do the headers and mid pipe as well with the left over $$$. __________________ project warhorse under construction being built by MP2 Performance

November 9th, 2009, 02:40 PM	#22
AdaBoNGT Regular 1998 Mustang GT Vert Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 178 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yeah im not going any higher than 4.10. Either 3.73 or 4.10

November 9th, 2009, 05:34 PM	#26
AdaBoNGT Regular 1998 Mustang GT Vert Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 178 iTrader: 0 reviews	Less than 200rwHP? I'm pretty sure i'm easily @ 200+ rwHP. A stock automatic '98GT definitely less than 200rwhp around 180rwhp.

November 10th, 2009, 01:19 AM	#30
AdaBoNGT Regular 1998 Mustang GT Vert Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 178 iTrader: 0 reviews	Sorry Mach Boy, you must have missed when i said what mods i had. I agree a stock 98 GT would be less than 200rwhp. I have a CAI, catback flowmaster exhaust, ford racing pullies, and an SCT tuner set @ 93 octane performance. Also all the fluids in my car are Royal Purple which gives a few (pretty much meaning less) HP.

November 10th, 2009, 09:58 AM	#31
Mach Boy MM's Orangest 2004 Mach 1 Mustang Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indy Posts: 2,820 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	The oil will add nothing measureable so don't even mention it or people will laugh in your face and ask if you have any stickers that add HP. If the UDPs, CAI, and catback added 15rwhp I'd be extremely surprised. The tune will add a few as well, but is it a canned tune or was it dyno/track tuned? Whatever that's not the point. The point is if you get the PI swap you're picking up 40hp. And with your weight advantage you will be able to hang with a lot of the turbo 4 bangers out there as well as the PI GTs. __________________ 360HP / 345TQ N/A

November 10th, 2009, 10:01 AM	#32
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,430 iTrader: 8 reviews	its not uncommon for npi cars to be get 200ish rwhp with minor mods. __________________ project warhorse under construction being built by MP2 Performance Last edited by SWEET2KSTANG; November 10th, 2009 at 11:45 AM.

November 10th, 2009, 10:12 AM	#33
Mach Boy MM's Orangest 2004 Mach 1 Mustang Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indy Posts: 2,820 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	Right I'm not stating that. It is likely that he is right around 200. Not much above or below. He still doesn't have a high flow midpipe which would be the biggest gain as far as bolt ons go. But a PI swap is the best thing he could do for minimal cash without doing nitrous. __________________ 360HP / 345TQ N/A

November 10th, 2009, 04:38 PM	#34
AdaBoNGT Regular 1998 Mustang GT Vert Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 178 iTrader: 0 reviews	Being very ungenerous and taking 20% off stock HP id only need 250hp to get 200rwhp. So seeing as before i even got my tuner i was keeping up with an stock '04 GT (260hp) makes me think i was a little closer to the 200rwhp then since '04 GTs make 208 rwhp. I also had another person in my car and the '04 was just the driver. As for my next mod i think PI swap is set in stone, after that comes the x-pipe/LT headers.

November 11th, 2009, 03:19 PM	#35
AdaBoNGT Regular 1998 Mustang GT Vert Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 178 iTrader: 0 reviews	I've been hearing the only major difference between PI and NPI is largely the CAMs. What would the difference be if i did the full PI swap vs some good comp CAMs?

November 11th, 2009, 07:22 PM	#36
97S281 Rollin' 18/ pushin' 2 1997 Saleen S281 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Zebulon N.C. Posts: 6,259 iTrader: 13 reviews	Most of the power gained from the pi swap comes from the cams and intake. The advantage to adding the heads comes in the higher compression ratio from the different head size. __________________ MODS IN GARAGE NCMM ORIGINAL BLOWN 96-98 CREW MEMBER # 1

December 25th, 2009, 12:26 AM	#39
sharkbait Hooo Ha Ha 1997 Mustang GT 11.99 @ 113.9mph Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pasadena MD Posts: 9,630 iTrader: 9 reviews	I only made 227 rwhp running 6psi But im the baddest 227rwhp car on the road =) __________________ 374rwhp 456rwtq @ 8psi

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