[tfofkyle]

Originally Posted by BAzombie For O2 ext and mil eliminators, check out this thread. How to Make MIL Eliminators for your Mustang I did them and they work fine. Cost me $6 at Radio Shack.

BA, did you have any problems with the steering shaft or dipstick on your install? I ask because I have the same brand headers

[Speedstang302]

Originally Posted by 4.slo? I've done 2 LT install and one BBK shorty equal length, all 3 times I dropped the k member, I wouldn't recommend shortys not worth the hassle and won't see much difference, my friend had me install longtubes after I had done shortys on his car. The only thing with installing the heads with the headers on is bolt them up the way they go and have someone help you, install the heads because you will have a hard time doing it after the head is installed. And on the driver side don't forget to install the dipstick first. Here are some pics of my pi swap so you can see how much space you have to work with and a picture of driver side header on my friends 04GT.

well without a lift and stuff i dont really wanna drop the k-member, too much of a hassle. im just gunna hope and pray that with the heads off i can get them down in there no problem, maybe have to lift the motor up for sneak them in if i have too, and lift it to get a better angle on the bolts.

you did the pi swap yourself..how hard is timing one of these things?

[tfofkyle]

Originally Posted by Speedstang302 well without a lift and stuff i dont really wanna drop the k-member, too much of a hassle. im just gunna hope and pray that with the heads off i can get them down in there no problem, maybe have to lift the motor up for sneak them in if i have too, and lift it to get a better angle on the bolts. you did the pi swap yourself..how hard is timing one of these things?

i can tell you from looking at the timing on my car that its as simple as having a silver sharpie marker. the crank gears and cam gears only slide on one way, so its just a matter of making sure you mark where the gears line up to the chains. im not worried about it at all.

[Speedstang302]

Originally Posted by tfofkyle i can tell you from looking at the timing on my car that its as simple as having a silver sharpie marker. the crank gears and cam gears only slide on one way, so its just a matter of making sure you mark where the gears line up to the chains. im not worried about it at all.

i am...thats my biggest fear..i def dont wanna fuck it up and loose a couple degrees and this thing run like shit after all that work. anyone seen a write up on doing timing? cuz if i can grab a few degrees to benifit me while im in there that would be awesome!

[4.slo?]

I don't have a lift either, I just use jackstands and put the front wheels under the car for extra safety, and with my floor jack, some 4x4 blocks, got to it, within 1 1/2hrs had the k-member off, I have air tools, it is more intimadating than anything,I work on med duty diesels and they have so much crap in the way and I was still intimadated with my timing chains, but they aren't that bad, just put it at TDC mark your chains, but u will see they are already marked, then back the motor 45* counterclockwise, this is safemode, all the pistons are below the deck.

[BAzombie]

Originally Posted by tfofkyle BA, did you have any problems with the steering shaft or dipstick on your install? I ask because I have the same brand headers

No trouble with the steering shaft. My problem was the dipstick. What a PITA. I did my LT's with the motor in and heads on. I couldn't get the dipstick out of the block. I f**k'd it up so bad, I cut it off and went without one. I change my oil every 3K.

Also I knew I was pulling the motor this spring and was only going for the 1 summer without one. With the heads off you should have better luck getting it out, maybe.

[BAzombie]

Originally Posted by Speedstang302 i am...thats my biggest fear..i def dont wanna fuck it up and loose a couple degrees and this thing run like shit after all that work. anyone seen a write up on doing timing? cuz if i can grab a few degrees to benifit me while im in there that would be awesome!

PI Headswap Write-up


The 2nd post in the thread deals with timing.

There's a ton of links in there too.

[4.slo?]

Same here, that dipstick is a PITA lucky I had an extra one cause I also broke mine. All I can say is go for it and take it step by step, also what year are your heads from cause the timing cover uses thicker bolts, in a few spots like on top of the heads mine are from an 01.

[Speedstang302]

Originally Posted by 4.slo? I don't have a lift either, I just use jackstands and put the front wheels under the car for extra safety, and with my floor jack, some 4x4 blocks, got to it, within 1 1/2hrs had the k-member off, I have air tools, it is more intimadating than anything,I work on med duty diesels and they have so much crap in the way and I was still intimadated with my timing chains, but they aren't that bad, just put it at TDC mark your chains, but u will see they are already marked, then back the motor 45* counterclockwise, this is safemode, all the pistons are below the deck.

ive been a mechanic before..so i have all the air tools..but my tank for my compressor has a hole in it..so it doesnt hold any pressure.

[Speedstang302]

Originally Posted by BAzombie No trouble with the steering shaft. My problem was the dipstick. What a PITA. I did my LT's with the motor in and heads on. I couldn't get the dipstick out of the block. I f**k'd it up so bad, I cut it off and went without one. I change my oil every 3K. Also I knew I was pulling the motor this spring and was only going for the 1 summer without one. With the heads off you should have better luck getting it out, maybe.

im buying the ford racing head changing kit which comes with another dipstick and tube..must be common to break them!

[tfofkyle]

Originally Posted by Speedstang302 i am...thats my biggest fear..i def dont wanna fuck it up and loose a couple degrees and this thing run like shit after all that work. anyone seen a write up on doing timing? cuz if i can grab a few degrees to benifit me while im in there that would be awesome!

http://www.modulardepot.com/picamsnew.pdf

^^ this is what im following as i do my swap.

Originally Posted by BAzombie No trouble with the steering shaft. My problem was the dipstick. What a PITA. I did my LT's with the motor in and heads on. I couldn't get the dipstick out of the block. I f**k'd it up so bad, I cut it off and went without one. I change my oil every 3K. Also I knew I was pulling the motor this spring and was only going for the 1 summer without one. With the heads off you should have better luck getting it out, maybe.

a bunch of writeups online are saying this and that about disconnecting the steering shaft and dropping the steering rack to install longtubes. is this what you did? sorry i have so many questions, im just intimidated as hell by these things. i was thinking id just mount them on the heads and drop them in nice and easy, maybe struggling for a bit to get the dipstick to fit through.

[4.slo?]

When I did the other lt installs yea i disconnected steering shaft and dropped the kmember, it is the easiest way.

[Speedstang302]

its not much different underneath these from foxbodys right? cuz i put in a upr tubular set-up when i did the 408w in the last car..if im right its just disconnected the struts from the bottom, then its all the k-frame itselfs bolts from there?

so can i lift the nose of the car up as high as i can, then drop the k-frame down with motor attached as far as i need to be able to install the LT's..or does my driveshaft have to come off?

[tfofkyle]

Originally Posted by 4.slo? When I did the other lt installs yea i disconnected steering shaft and dropped the kmember, it is the easiest way.

is disconnecting it strictly to gain room to tighten up the headers ? or do you actually have to disconnect it to fit the header down in there ?

[4.slo?]

When I drop the Kmember the motor is still up with my engine hoist and before I just used a floor jack with a piece of wood on the oil pan an a long enough 4x4 on the edge of oil pan in the front for extra safety. once you remove kmember it is a piece of cake, just remove all 13mm bolts from the manifolds, most likely you are going to have to remove the studs because the majority of them will not work with the headers. On the BBK longtubes you have to cut a piece of one of the studs on the driverside toward the firewall and use one of the stock studs on the first hole.
My first install I followed this guys write up
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http://www.mikefordmustang.com/write.../index.html#23

[koessl]

i attached the header to the head and slowly lowered the pair together down to the block with an engine hoist.

[tfofkyle]

Originally Posted by koessl i attached the header to the head and slowly lowered the pair together down to the block with an engine hoist.

makes me feel a lot better!

[Speedstang302]

Originally Posted by 4.slo? When I drop the Kmember the motor is still up with my engine hoist and before I just used a floor jack with a piece of wood on the oil pan an a long enough 4x4 on the edge of oil pan in the front for extra safety. once you remove kmember it is a piece of cake, just remove all 13mm bolts from the manifolds, most likely you are going to have to remove the studs because the majority of them will not work with the headers. On the BBK longtubes you have to cut a piece of one of the studs on the driverside toward the firewall and use one of the stock studs on the first hole. My first install I followed this guys write up . How to install Long Tube Headers on your Mustang GT

thanks alot..thats probably one of the best write ups i've seen!

[koessl]

Originally Posted by tfofkyle makes me feel a lot better!

im not sure it should. It was still a terrible time dealing with the drivers side. The passengers side was easy.


I thought timing this was easy though. It was real straight forward, and probably the easiest part in the whole ordeal for me.

[Speedstang302]

Originally Posted by koessl im not sure it should. It was still a terrible time dealing with the drivers side. The passengers side was easy. I thought timing this was easy though. It was real straight forward, and probably the easiest part in the whole ordeal for me.

see im totally quivering in my boots over the timing lol...installing the headers not so much..idc about if it takes me 2hrs for one