hey guys! new here and need advice!

Monster stang 97 · April 10th, 2007, 12:57 AM

Hello everyone my name is Paul and I just bought a 97 black GT 5-speed and its all stock execpt for Short throw(very short throw), K&N drop in and steeda pedels(adds 25hp.....j/k lol) I'm adding Flow 40's and orh, 96-98 cobra wheels, K&N CAI and 4.10 gears for bolt-ons. ok my real queastion is for BIG power I was thinkin either doing a P.I. head swap with maybe VT stage 1 cams and bullitt intake or Allen supercharger(or KB if i can afford it) and run between 6-9psi(more like 9 psi) and call it a day with the charger. so which route would u guys go and why? which will provide more power and be better for a street only car? btw ,my car has 108,700 miles on her. help me out guys! thanx!

Paul

MustangMatt96GT · April 10th, 2007, 01:09 AM

Personally I would say build a whole new motor and then swap them in! You have high milage and that is the reason I say that! Personally I would start from sratch and work your way to the Blower! Everything sounds good and if you stay with your stock bottom end I would say go closer to 6 bcause of the mileage. Personally I like centri blowers better, so I would go with an S trim vortec instead but what ever floats your boat! And hell while your doing your head swap put in some different valve springs and then use stage 2 blower cams!

Monster stang 97 · April 10th, 2007, 01:26 AM

i would do the whole "i'm building my motor up" but i'll only enough to do a head and intake swap for sure OR a supercharger with a lil more money. I like roots and twin screws the best....love that whine and instant power on tap....don't wanna rev the piss outta her to make good power. but like my ?'s asks which route would u guys go? H/C/I or just roots blower?(street car only!)

Casper98GT · April 10th, 2007, 08:40 AM

Ok heres the deal. Great thinking in my own opinion. But youre NPI motor will be pushing 10.5:1 compression ratio after the PI swap. I would yank youre NPI heads and work them. They respond well to that. The PI swap also involves replacing the intake...youre roots style will replace the intake anyways. So heres what im thinking.

PI head swap..nope.

Work youre NPI heads. Get them to flow better.

Then put a set of either stage one NPI cams, for blower applications. OR THrow in some cheap 75 dollar PI cams. Not knowing what youre money situation im sure you have some if youre thinking about all of this.

Next you can do a KB but like you said its expensive. Go with the Allen i like this s/c as well. So now you have cams, good flowing heads, and a allen s/.c. Throw on some other bolt ons and youre all set.

108k miles.... if its maint. well....then you can get 200 easy out of it. But keep the boost to 8 or so.

Hope it helps.

Casper98GT · April 10th, 2007, 08:40 AM

96-98 cobra wheels

Almost forgot... 96 and 97 have the same wheels. 98 have diferent spoked wheels.

Monster stang 97 · April 10th, 2007, 03:34 PM

ok thats good advice but i was gonna do one or the other not both.....just too much money with doing head work then cams then a $3400 supercharger. I'm gonna have bout $3500-$3700 to work with. don't want ungodly power just either a nice H/C/I street stang or a nice allen supercharged street stang with bout 8 psi and maaayyybbbeee p.i. cams. ...i'm on a budget as well and just looking for a nice set-up for the streets(i know it won't be the fastest but it will suprise people) i also wanna know what will make more power outta my 97? Allen at 8psi(with all the bolt-ons) or p.i heads VT stage 1 cams and bullitt intake(again with all the bolt-ons) JUST BETWEEN THESE TWO SET-UPS PLEASE

Casper98GT · April 10th, 2007, 03:39 PM

S/C will gain more. That s/c will get rid of youre crappy intake too. Just get that S/c and then some cheap PI cams. And you'll be happy.

Monster stang 97 · April 10th, 2007, 04:23 PM

sweet thanx man! so p.i. cams and allen supercharger at 8...mmmaaayyyybe 9psi. hmmm i better do a compression test be4 any kind of boost. where do i go to get one done at? and will my 4.10s be ok for taht or am i gonna have to step down to 3.73's or something like that?

btw the motor is in really good shape from what I and my best friend(who knows a great deal on 5.0's and mod motors) it has had up to date maintance all its life. at least from what the records say

Monster stang 97 · April 12th, 2007, 05:05 PM

Ok i think since my car has alot of miles I'll do the Allen 6psi kit with P.I. cams . I'm hopeing to hit 275ish rwhp. would that be possible with all the bolt-ons and what not? also i'm doing a 4.10 gear should be a fun street car but mght be too much gear...what do u guys think?

Monster stang 97 · April 12th, 2007, 09:06 PM

????? anyone ?????

tlr96 · April 12th, 2007, 10:54 PM

i wouldnt see why you couldnt 275rwhp. with the 4:10's probably be a pretty fun street car.

MustangMatt96GT · April 13th, 2007, 12:06 AM

4.10s are what I am going to put in mine! The 275 will take some head work with different cams and a PI intake and then all the bolt ons you can think of, but without swapping heads it is possible!

And Casper I dont know who told me that, but it makes since and I should have chaught it because of how a Compression Ratio works, and thanks for setting me straight!

Richs96 · April 14th, 2007, 05:39 PM

I have a 96gt 5 speed with 108K also. I was thinking of the same thing and talking to the guys at my local Mustang shop. The guy told me, in his exp. with non pi cars the 1st thing he would do is get rid of the non p.i. heads as a starting point. That is with my situation and the condition of my car. I got lucky and bought it from a woman that baby'd it all of it's life and had every piece of paper in regards to the maintinence on it, so we know my engine is perfect (just a little carbon build up on the back sides of the valves).
After the p.i. heads and intake is on then we can later look at more power mods as far as superchargers. The non p.i. heads just don't flow enough air.

Monster stang 97 · April 15th, 2007, 06:08 PM

hmmmm i also took into consideration of droping a 96-01 cobra motor in and build from there. it might be cheaper in the long run and it'll be a high to mid 13sec car to start with. just a thought....sound good???

MustangMatt96GT · April 15th, 2007, 07:56 PM

4V>2V and the 4V will benefit you much more and probably be cheaper if you want a 10 second car, but I want the challenge of getting large numbers from a 2V so thats why my plans are to stay with a 2V.

Boomer · April 15th, 2007, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Richs96

After the p.i. heads and intake is on then we can later look at more power mods as far as superchargers. The non p.i. heads just don't flow enough air.

Again

, someone gave you bad information. The heads flow nearly the same, P.I flow a little more in the low to mid lift areas and the npi flow better from .450-.540" (max lift the npi can run without some work). I won't get started about heads again, SORRY...LOL

Richs96 · April 16th, 2007, 01:10 PM

SO what is the big deal with the heads then? Is it because there are no intakes available for the non PI heads so everyone thinks there is a huge difference in air flow. I know the casting for the intake ports are different, but that is nothing a little silicone won't take care of.

Monster stang 97 · April 18th, 2007, 06:03 PM

I think i might just go P.I. swap with bullet intake and stage 1 cams and call it aday. i'll still make as much power as a stock 99-01 cobra so i'll be pretty happy. i think it will cost less in the end and be more reliable then being blown at 110k miles ya heard

ujslost · April 18th, 2007, 06:17 PM

since when did 108k miles become high milage? Not since the 70s!

TOWNCAR92 · April 18th, 2007, 07:02 PM

yea

April 10th, 2007, 12:57 AM	#1
Monster stang 97 Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: findlay, Ohio Posts: 65	hey guys! new here and need advice! Hello everyone my name is Paul and I just bought a 97 black GT 5-speed and its all stock execpt for Short throw(very short throw), K&N drop in and steeda pedels(adds 25hp.....j/k lol) I'm adding Flow 40's and orh, 96-98 cobra wheels, K&N CAI and 4.10 gears for bolt-ons. ok my real queastion is for BIG power I was thinkin either doing a P.I. head swap with maybe VT stage 1 cams and bullitt intake or Allen supercharger(or KB if i can afford it) and run between 6-9psi(more like 9 psi) and call it a day with the charger. so which route would u guys go and why? which will provide more power and be better for a street only car? btw ,my car has 108,700 miles on her. help me out guys! thanx! Paul

April 10th, 2007, 01:09 AM	#2
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.023@103.46 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,150	Personally I would say build a whole new motor and then swap them in! You have high milage and that is the reason I say that! Personally I would start from sratch and work your way to the Blower! Everything sounds good and if you stay with your stock bottom end I would say go closer to 6 bcause of the mileage. Personally I like centri blowers better, so I would go with an S trim vortec instead but what ever floats your boat! And hell while your doing your head swap put in some different valve springs and then use stage 2 blower cams! __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 10th, 2007, 01:26 AM	#3
Monster stang 97 Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: findlay, Ohio Posts: 65	i would do the whole "i'm building my motor up" but i'll only enough to do a head and intake swap for sure OR a supercharger with a lil more money. I like roots and twin screws the best....love that whine and instant power on tap....don't wanna rev the piss outta her to make good power. but like my ?'s asks which route would u guys go? H/C/I or just roots blower?(street car only!) __________________ 97 black Mustang GT 5-speed(fully loaded) mods - MGW short throw, Steeda race pedels, K&N drop in, Flowmaster 40's coming soon - orh, JLT CAI, 4.10's, P.I. intake, P.I. cams, underdrives pullies, and other bolt-ons shooting for 240rwhp

April 10th, 2007, 03:34 PM	#6
Monster stang 97 Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: findlay, Ohio Posts: 65	ok thats good advice but i was gonna do one or the other not both.....just too much money with doing head work then cams then a $3400 supercharger. I'm gonna have bout $3500-$3700 to work with. don't want ungodly power just either a nice H/C/I street stang or a nice allen supercharged street stang with bout 8 psi and maaayyybbbeee p.i. cams. ...i'm on a budget as well and just looking for a nice set-up for the streets(i know it won't be the fastest but it will suprise people) i also wanna know what will make more power outta my 97? Allen at 8psi(with all the bolt-ons) or p.i heads VT stage 1 cams and bullitt intake(again with all the bolt-ons) JUST BETWEEN THESE TWO SET-UPS PLEASE __________________ 97 black Mustang GT 5-speed(fully loaded) mods - MGW short throw, Steeda race pedels, K&N drop in, Flowmaster 40's coming soon - orh, JLT CAI, 4.10's, P.I. intake, P.I. cams, underdrives pullies, and other bolt-ons shooting for 240rwhp

April 10th, 2007, 04:23 PM	#8
Monster stang 97 Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: findlay, Ohio Posts: 65	sweet thanx man! so p.i. cams and allen supercharger at 8...mmmaaayyyybe 9psi. hmmm i better do a compression test be4 any kind of boost. where do i go to get one done at? and will my 4.10s be ok for taht or am i gonna have to step down to 3.73's or something like that? btw the motor is in really good shape from what I and my best friend(who knows a great deal on 5.0's and mod motors) it has had up to date maintance all its life. at least from what the records say __________________ 97 black Mustang GT 5-speed(fully loaded) mods - MGW short throw, Steeda race pedels, K&N drop in, Flowmaster 40's coming soon - orh, JLT CAI, 4.10's, P.I. intake, P.I. cams, underdrives pullies, and other bolt-ons shooting for 240rwhp

April 12th, 2007, 05:05 PM	#9
Monster stang 97 Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: findlay, Ohio Posts: 65	Ok i think since my car has alot of miles I'll do the Allen 6psi kit with P.I. cams . I'm hopeing to hit 275ish rwhp. would that be possible with all the bolt-ons and what not? also i'm doing a 4.10 gear should be a fun street car but mght be too much gear...what do u guys think? __________________ 97 black Mustang GT 5-speed(fully loaded) mods - MGW short throw, Steeda race pedels, K&N drop in, Flowmaster 40's coming soon - orh, JLT CAI, 4.10's, P.I. intake, P.I. cams, underdrives pullies, and other bolt-ons shooting for 240rwhp

April 12th, 2007, 09:06 PM	#10
Monster stang 97 Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: findlay, Ohio Posts: 65	????? anyone ????? __________________ 97 black Mustang GT 5-speed(fully loaded) mods - MGW short throw, Steeda race pedels, K&N drop in, Flowmaster 40's coming soon - orh, JLT CAI, 4.10's, P.I. intake, P.I. cams, underdrives pullies, and other bolt-ons shooting for 240rwhp

April 12th, 2007, 10:54 PM	#11
tlr96 Hardcore Enthusiast 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 1,793	i wouldnt see why you couldnt 275rwhp. with the 4:10's probably be a pretty fun street car. __________________ view my garage for pics and modifications listen to my exhaust video 1 video 2 video 3

April 13th, 2007, 12:06 AM	#12
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.023@103.46 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,150	4.10s are what I am going to put in mine! The 275 will take some head work with different cams and a PI intake and then all the bolt ons you can think of, but without swapping heads it is possible! And Casper I dont know who told me that, but it makes since and I should have chaught it because of how a Compression Ratio works, and thanks for setting me straight! __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 14th, 2007, 05:39 PM	#13
Richs96 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 38	I have a 96gt 5 speed with 108K also. I was thinking of the same thing and talking to the guys at my local Mustang shop. The guy told me, in his exp. with non pi cars the 1st thing he would do is get rid of the non p.i. heads as a starting point. That is with my situation and the condition of my car. I got lucky and bought it from a woman that baby'd it all of it's life and had every piece of paper in regards to the maintinence on it, so we know my engine is perfect (just a little carbon build up on the back sides of the valves). After the p.i. heads and intake is on then we can later look at more power mods as far as superchargers. The non p.i. heads just don't flow enough air. __________________ 96 GT 5 speed K&N w/Modified stock air box (Chep ass) Flowmaster cat back Tri-Ax Short Throw PI intake to come

April 15th, 2007, 06:08 PM	#14
Monster stang 97 Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: findlay, Ohio Posts: 65	hmmmm i also took into consideration of droping a 96-01 cobra motor in and build from there. it might be cheaper in the long run and it'll be a high to mid 13sec car to start with. just a thought....sound good??? __________________ 97 black Mustang GT 5-speed(fully loaded) mods - MGW short throw, Steeda race pedels, K&N drop in, Flowmaster 40's coming soon - orh, JLT CAI, 4.10's, P.I. intake, P.I. cams, underdrives pullies, and other bolt-ons shooting for 240rwhp

April 15th, 2007, 07:56 PM	#15
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.023@103.46 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,150	4V>2V and the 4V will benefit you much more and probably be cheaper if you want a 10 second car, but I want the challenge of getting large numbers from a 2V so thats why my plans are to stay with a 2V. __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 16th, 2007, 01:10 PM	#17
Richs96 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 38	SO what is the big deal with the heads then? Is it because there are no intakes available for the non PI heads so everyone thinks there is a huge difference in air flow. I know the casting for the intake ports are different, but that is nothing a little silicone won't take care of. __________________ 96 GT 5 speed K&N w/Modified stock air box (Chep ass) Flowmaster cat back Tri-Ax Short Throw PI intake to come

April 18th, 2007, 06:03 PM	#18
Monster stang 97 Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: findlay, Ohio Posts: 65	I think i might just go P.I. swap with bullet intake and stage 1 cams and call it aday. i'll still make as much power as a stock 99-01 cobra so i'll be pretty happy. i think it will cost less in the end and be more reliable then being blown at 110k miles ya heard __________________ 97 black Mustang GT 5-speed(fully loaded) mods - MGW short throw, Steeda race pedels, K&N drop in, Flowmaster 40's coming soon - orh, JLT CAI, 4.10's, P.I. intake, P.I. cams, underdrives pullies, and other bolt-ons shooting for 240rwhp

April 18th, 2007, 06:17 PM	#19
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,847	since when did 108k miles become high milage? Not since the 70s! __________________ http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/vehicle-classifieds/86839-wtt-90-lx-hatch-red-black-north-alabama.html#post1394801

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