Tie Rods?

MustangMatt96GT · April 17th, 2007, 11:27 PM

So I am in need of some new tie rods. My car is lowered 1.5 all around I have CC plates brand new shocks and struts. I am wondering if instead of putting on new tie rods can I put on a bumpsteer kit. This would kill two birds with one stone! My second question is what type of bumpsteer kit would you remmend? Links to them if possible! And finally I have heard that the seals in my steering could be bad and I could make a mess everywhere if they are and I try and do this myself. Is this the case, and if it is, how do I refill what came out, and how hard is it to put in new seals? Also how much would it cost to get them installed ball park estimate is okay for this! Thanks so much!

Racinjason81 · April 18th, 2007, 12:10 AM

check holcombmotorsports.com for HPM1105-AU($140) their bumpsteer kit requires no machine work.Also UPR products.com also makes a kit
called the UPR extreme bumpsteer kit($110) that doesnt require machinework

MustangMatt96GT · April 18th, 2007, 12:13 AM

Wat do you mean by machine work?

MustangMatt96GT · April 18th, 2007, 09:18 PM

Anybody else have a clue on what to do?

ujslost · April 18th, 2007, 09:31 PM

just buy some replacement tie rods, you dont need a bumpsteer kit. plus you will have to have the front end realigned, either way you deceide to go

Casper98GT · April 18th, 2007, 09:32 PM

Ok...You have bad inner or outer tie rod ends ?

Second, why would someone tell you the seals could be leaking ? You can have the inner seals leaking, but you would know it because youre rack boots would be wet. If you pull them away it would leak out too. So check. I have just installed new ps racks when that has happened. Used. If youre just changing the outer tie rod end, then yeah you can go bump steer.

First give this a read so you understand exactly what it is...

http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...ned-vt875.html

Now you can choose about any kit you want. I would stick to a well known name such as steeda, and their kit involves NO drilling of the spindle.

Just a quick link i found

http://www.partshopper.com/shop/Stee...tang-m139.html

Or you could always just get 2 tie rod ends and do it in about 20 minutes.

MustangMatt96GT · April 18th, 2007, 09:36 PM

Casper what is the diffence between inner and out tie rods? I dont know much about suspension thanks!

ujslost · April 18th, 2007, 10:46 PM

inner tie rod connects to the rack and pinion
outter tie rod connects to the spindle

MustangMatt96GT · April 18th, 2007, 10:58 PM

how can I tell which one is bad? and also there are bushings in our steering and could those just be worn to make my car to loose to align? Thanks!

ujslost · April 18th, 2007, 11:03 PM

to loose to align? Sounds like ball joins then.

Just look at your rack and pinon the inner tie rods are located inside the accordion looking boots, if those are wet theres a problem. I havent seen many bad outer tie rods personally, besides a busted grease boot, or just loose feeling. My advice , if the inner tie rods are dry then get some new outter tie rods, balljoints and realign front end.

MustangMatt96GT · April 18th, 2007, 11:09 PM

Well my inners are okay then! but when I got my tires on I put on the CC plates so they could align it but they couldnt because they said my tie rods need replacing! how hard are tie rods and ball joints to do in the garage?

ujslost · April 18th, 2007, 11:26 PM

tie rod ends are easy. Ball joints are easy but agrivating. You need a big ass hammer to beat the old ball joint out with, then go to autozone and rent a balljoint press tool, use the tool to put the ball joint back in. 1st timer I would say to do ball joints and tie rod ends 2 hours or so. I would just pay the alignment shop to put the ball joints in though if you think you cant do it, but the tie rods are to easy to let them do. simply take the tie rod end nut off tap
side of spindle till the tie rod comes out then unscrew the other end. You will see exactly how it comes off once you see the new ones.

MustangMatt96GT · April 18th, 2007, 11:37 PM

No way in hell am I going to pay for something that I capable of doing!! I wanted to do my clutch in my garage and my parents didnt want me to because they thought I was biting of to much at a time so I said fine I wont do it if you pay for it to get installed and they did so that is sick! Could I just take my ball joints to say a shop and have them press them in or is the press tool easy enough to use? Thanks! and is there anyway I can tell if I need new ball joints or not? Same with needing new outer tie rods?

ujslost · April 18th, 2007, 11:48 PM

to have a shop press them in you either have to have the car at their shop, or take your control arm off and take it to a shop. The tool is easy to use really. Its getting the old BJ's out thats a bitch. You can use the press to remove them also but I just use a big ass ball peen hammer and beat them out.

To check the ball joints, jack the car up on the frame and then pull out and push in on the upper part of the wheel and see if it has play if so they are bad.

Tie rod ends I think you do the same thing but grab the tire on the left and the right and move shake it back and forth to check for play (make sure steering wheel is locked so the tires dont turn back and forth)

Understand how to do that? If not I will try to word it differant somehow.

MustangMatt96GT · April 18th, 2007, 11:51 PM

Well I know the tie rods need fixing then! lol thatw what the brake shop told me when i did breaks like 6 months ago lol and they did the same test as you described, and the BJ i push on the top and bottom and see if the bottom moves when i push the top and the top when I push the bottom right? Thanks

ujslost · April 18th, 2007, 11:56 PM

yep if it moves then the ball joints are bad, thats where you get the loose action. Autozone should have the ball joints for about $18 each. Dont buy the expensive ones either man, they are no better. Believe me, I used to work for federal mogul / MOOG. I made ball joints. They are the same exact ball joint, only differance one might have a grease fitting and one might not, or the grease boot might have MOOG on it or it might not.

MustangMatt96GT · April 19th, 2007, 12:00 AM

I still think its only the tie rods, because they couldnt align a car that has tie rods that are bad, because the toe would be constanly changing! Anyway i will lift up the front end and check out the BJs and see if they need replacing because if I am doing it once I might as well do it correctly!

ujslost · April 19th, 2007, 12:02 AM

right man. thats why when I put my prokit on I went ahead and done the ball joints at the same time.

MustangMatt96GT · April 19th, 2007, 12:05 AM

Why do you not recommend a bumpsteer kit and just normal tie rods?

ujslost · April 19th, 2007, 12:34 AM

because you have the same car as I do with the same eibach springs as I do. and I dont NEED them so I figure you dont NEED them either, you might want them but I doubt you need them. My car has no bump steer. Does yours?

Did you read the article in your new 5.0 mag about the caster camber plates, it speaks briefly on bumpsteer kits in that article

Read page 191. The 2nd question in the interview says this "for the 94-04's CC plates make it possible to adjust in enough positive caster that bumpsteer
should be unaltered.

April 17th, 2007, 11:27 PM	#1
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.582@97.59 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,141	Tie Rods? So I am in need of some new tie rods. My car is lowered 1.5 all around I have CC plates brand new shocks and struts. I am wondering if instead of putting on new tie rods can I put on a bumpsteer kit. This would kill two birds with one stone! My second question is what type of bumpsteer kit would you remmend? Links to them if possible! And finally I have heard that the seals in my steering could be bad and I could make a mess everywhere if they are and I try and do this myself. Is this the case, and if it is, how do I refill what came out, and how hard is it to put in new seals? Also how much would it cost to get them installed ball park estimate is okay for this! Thanks so much! __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 18th, 2007, 12:10 AM	#2
Racinjason81 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New jersey Posts: 1,199	check holcombmotorsports.com for HPM1105-AU($140) their bumpsteer kit requires no machine work.Also UPR products.com also makes a kit called the UPR extreme bumpsteer kit($110) that doesnt require machinework __________________ Speed kills drive an import and live forever. 1991 LX 5.0 H/B 1990 T-BIRD SC

April 18th, 2007, 12:13 AM	#3
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.582@97.59 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,141	Wat do you mean by machine work? __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 18th, 2007, 09:18 PM	#4
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.582@97.59 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,141	Anybody else have a clue on what to do? __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 18th, 2007, 09:31 PM	#5
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,846	just buy some replacement tie rods, you dont need a bumpsteer kit. plus you will have to have the front end realigned, either way you deceide to go __________________ http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/vehicle-classifieds/86839-wtt-90-lx-hatch-red-black-north-alabama.html#post1394801

April 18th, 2007, 09:36 PM	#7
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.582@97.59 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,141	Casper what is the diffence between inner and out tie rods? I dont know much about suspension thanks! __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 18th, 2007, 10:46 PM	#8
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,846	inner tie rod connects to the rack and pinion outter tie rod connects to the spindle __________________ http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/vehicle-classifieds/86839-wtt-90-lx-hatch-red-black-north-alabama.html#post1394801

April 18th, 2007, 10:58 PM	#9
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.582@97.59 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,141	how can I tell which one is bad? and also there are bushings in our steering and could those just be worn to make my car to loose to align? Thanks! __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 18th, 2007, 11:03 PM	#10
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,846	to loose to align? Sounds like ball joins then. Just look at your rack and pinon the inner tie rods are located inside the accordion looking boots, if those are wet theres a problem. I havent seen many bad outer tie rods personally, besides a busted grease boot, or just loose feeling. My advice , if the inner tie rods are dry then get some new outter tie rods, balljoints and realign front end. __________________ http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/vehicle-classifieds/86839-wtt-90-lx-hatch-red-black-north-alabama.html#post1394801

April 18th, 2007, 11:09 PM	#11
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.582@97.59 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,141	Well my inners are okay then! but when I got my tires on I put on the CC plates so they could align it but they couldnt because they said my tie rods need replacing! how hard are tie rods and ball joints to do in the garage? __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 18th, 2007, 11:26 PM	#12
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,846	tie rod ends are easy. Ball joints are easy but agrivating. You need a big ass hammer to beat the old ball joint out with, then go to autozone and rent a balljoint press tool, use the tool to put the ball joint back in. 1st timer I would say to do ball joints and tie rod ends 2 hours or so. I would just pay the alignment shop to put the ball joints in though if you think you cant do it, but the tie rods are to easy to let them do. simply take the tie rod end nut off tap side of spindle till the tie rod comes out then unscrew the other end. You will see exactly how it comes off once you see the new ones. __________________ http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/vehicle-classifieds/86839-wtt-90-lx-hatch-red-black-north-alabama.html#post1394801

April 18th, 2007, 11:37 PM	#13
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.582@97.59 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,141	No way in hell am I going to pay for something that I capable of doing!! I wanted to do my clutch in my garage and my parents didnt want me to because they thought I was biting of to much at a time so I said fine I wont do it if you pay for it to get installed and they did so that is sick! Could I just take my ball joints to say a shop and have them press them in or is the press tool easy enough to use? Thanks! and is there anyway I can tell if I need new ball joints or not? Same with needing new outer tie rods? __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 18th, 2007, 11:48 PM	#14
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,846	to have a shop press them in you either have to have the car at their shop, or take your control arm off and take it to a shop. The tool is easy to use really. Its getting the old BJ's out thats a bitch. You can use the press to remove them also but I just use a big ass ball peen hammer and beat them out. To check the ball joints, jack the car up on the frame and then pull out and push in on the upper part of the wheel and see if it has play if so they are bad. Tie rod ends I think you do the same thing but grab the tire on the left and the right and move shake it back and forth to check for play (make sure steering wheel is locked so the tires dont turn back and forth) Understand how to do that? If not I will try to word it differant somehow. __________________ http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/vehicle-classifieds/86839-wtt-90-lx-hatch-red-black-north-alabama.html#post1394801

April 18th, 2007, 11:51 PM	#15
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.582@97.59 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,141	Well I know the tie rods need fixing then! lol thatw what the brake shop told me when i did breaks like 6 months ago lol and they did the same test as you described, and the BJ i push on the top and bottom and see if the bottom moves when i push the top and the top when I push the bottom right? Thanks __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 18th, 2007, 11:56 PM	#16
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,846	yep if it moves then the ball joints are bad, thats where you get the loose action. Autozone should have the ball joints for about $18 each. Dont buy the expensive ones either man, they are no better. Believe me, I used to work for federal mogul / MOOG. I made ball joints. They are the same exact ball joint, only differance one might have a grease fitting and one might not, or the grease boot might have MOOG on it or it might not. __________________ http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/vehicle-classifieds/86839-wtt-90-lx-hatch-red-black-north-alabama.html#post1394801

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April 19th, 2007, 12:00 AM	#17
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.582@97.59 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,141	I still think its only the tie rods, because they couldnt align a car that has tie rods that are bad, because the toe would be constanly changing! Anyway i will lift up the front end and check out the BJs and see if they need replacing because if I am doing it once I might as well do it correctly! __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 19th, 2007, 12:02 AM	#18
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,846	right man. thats why when I put my prokit on I went ahead and done the ball joints at the same time. __________________ http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/vehicle-classifieds/86839-wtt-90-lx-hatch-red-black-north-alabama.html#post1394801

April 19th, 2007, 12:05 AM	#19
MustangMatt96GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 1996 Mustang GT 13.582@97.59 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,141	Why do you not recommend a bumpsteer kit and just normal tie rods? __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

April 19th, 2007, 12:34 AM	#20
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,846	because you have the same car as I do with the same eibach springs as I do. and I dont NEED them so I figure you dont NEED them either, you might want them but I doubt you need them. My car has no bump steer. Does yours? Did you read the article in your new 5.0 mag about the caster camber plates, it speaks briefly on bumpsteer kits in that article Read page 191. The 2nd question in the interview says this "for the 94-04's CC plates make it possible to adjust in enough positive caster that bumpsteer should be unaltered. __________________ http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/vehicle-classifieds/86839-wtt-90-lx-hatch-red-black-north-alabama.html#post1394801