Advice/Suggestions

gvanlaar · April 11th, 2011, 06:12 PM

I got a really good deal on a 97 GT with no motor and I was wondering if you guys could offer up some advise. Since there is no motor, I was wondering which way would be the best bang for the buck. I've been torn between a stock 96-98 bottom end with the PI heads and intake or a 96-98 4v motor. Whats your thoughts?

V8POWA! · April 11th, 2011, 06:27 PM

well if you could get a 03/04 cobra engine, get that. If not, still get a 4v. Or do what sharkbait did and get a 5.4L and put a blower....

lots of different options, just have to see what your final goal for the car is and how much you want to spend.

gvanlaar · April 11th, 2011, 06:50 PM

Ya the 03/04 motor would be great but I dont see that happening for any kind of cheap. I'm trying to do it as cheap as possible while still being able to run good.

98REDGT · April 11th, 2011, 07:40 PM

What ever you decide to do. Just dont do a carb'd hack job. Stick with Fuel injected like a 97 is meant to be.
Arent the 99 and up more HP?

V8POWA! · April 11th, 2011, 09:10 PM

If you can get good prices, do a PI swap motor, unless you can get a whole PI motor for cheap...

MikeHP350 · April 11th, 2011, 10:27 PM

Does it still have the stock ECU and wiring harness?

gvanlaar · April 11th, 2011, 10:49 PM

The wiring harness is stock and the ECU already has a chip in it for a PI swapped 2v. The car came with long tubes for a 2v as well. To switch to a 4v would be a little more money. I'm just wondering if the increase in power will be worth it.

1996 GT · April 11th, 2011, 11:13 PM

mark VII swap?

wheelsjz · April 11th, 2011, 11:37 PM

+1 ^^

WickedSnake00 · April 12th, 2011, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by 1996 GT

mark VII swap?

03/04 is pretty pricey. Ask me how I know.

V8POWA! · April 12th, 2011, 10:37 AM

How do you know?

HurrycaneStang · April 12th, 2011, 11:06 AM

A Mark VIII can be "kinda" pricey with all the lil ins and outs you have to buy but def. gives you more potential for hp/tq than a regular 4.6 2V PI or NPI. If nothing else do a 4.6 2V PI swap forge it and slap a FI on it...A 5.4L swap with a blower like Sharky's can be pricey as well, while 5.4 are cheap and readily available certain parts to make it fit with your stock hood i.e. intake manifold can run you close to 500. IMO Sharky got lucky with finding his parts and he has a good bit of mechanical know-how(not saying you dont)...

sharkbait · April 12th, 2011, 12:48 PM

Well if you go 5.4.

You can get a motor for about 1000 or so with low mileage. The kicker though is the HPS intake...which costs around 800....and your not finding a used one lol. Seeing as mine was sold before it went up for sale.

Everything else though is fairly straight forward.

HurrycaneStang · April 12th, 2011, 01:02 PM

Damn 800? I was close...

HurrycaneStang · April 12th, 2011, 01:03 PM

If I could go back and do it over again I would have skipped the Mark VIII build I have goin on and just forged my 2V and gone FI...Still could go that route but I have the engine already and so many new parts, it would be a bitch to sell...

ajb540 · April 12th, 2011, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by sharkbait

Well if you go 5.4.

You can get a motor for about 1000 or so with low mileage. The kicker though is the HPS intake...which costs around 800....and your not finding a used one lol. Seeing as mine was sold before it went up for sale.

Everything else though is fairly straight forward.

I just saw a topic on The Corral saying that with a little bit of fabrication, the new 5.0 and Boss intake could work.

gvanlaar · April 12th, 2011, 02:52 PM

I can get a 96-98 Cobra motor for $700 from a local shop. I don't know what kind of shape it's in yet though. Or I can get a NPI 4.6 from a junkyard for $150 and then have to rebuild and piece together the PI swap.

WickedSnake00 · April 12th, 2011, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by V8POWA!

How do you know?

That's how I know.

V8POWA! · April 12th, 2011, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by gvanlaar

I can get a 96-98 Cobra motor for $700 from a local shop. I don't know what kind of shape it's in yet though. Or I can get a NPI 4.6 from a junkyard for $150 and then have to rebuild and piece together the PI swap.

4v>2v if theres an option, but def pi swap if you go 2v...

I wish thats how I knew too

wicked....

WickedSnake00 · April 12th, 2011, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by V8POWA!

4v>2v if theres an option, but def pi swap if you go 2v...

I wish thats how I knew too wicked....

Don't forget 3V is an option, but for the most part I think the MKVIII swap is easier and cheaper.

And don't go getting too jealous, I've got the motor torn apart (waiting for my cams to get here!

) and no T56 or fuel tank yet.

April 11th, 2011, 06:12 PM	#1
gvanlaar Newbie 1997 Mustang GT Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Madera, CA Posts: 5 iTrader: 0 reviews	Advice/Suggestions I got a really good deal on a 97 GT with no motor and I was wondering if you guys could offer up some advise. Since there is no motor, I was wondering which way would be the best bang for the buck. I've been torn between a stock 96-98 bottom end with the PI heads and intake or a 96-98 4v motor. Whats your thoughts?

April 11th, 2011, 06:27 PM	#2
V8POWA! POWA! 24/7 fukkers 1996 Mustang GT 1 @ 1 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cali 805 Posts: 4,824 iTrader: 1 reviews	well if you could get a 03/04 cobra engine, get that. If not, still get a 4v. Or do what sharkbait did and get a 5.4L and put a blower.... lots of different options, just have to see what your final goal for the car is and how much you want to spend. __________________ Check Out My Build Thread!

April 11th, 2011, 07:40 PM	#4
98REDGT Regular Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 275 iTrader: 0 reviews	What ever you decide to do. Just dont do a carb'd hack job. Stick with Fuel injected like a 97 is meant to be. Arent the 99 and up more HP? __________________ 1998 GT. Headers with catless X-pipe into flowmasters. CAI. Cobra wheels 17x9 with 245/40's and 17x10.5 with 275/40's. 04 GT leather interior.

April 11th, 2011, 09:10 PM	#5
V8POWA! POWA! 24/7 fukkers 1996 Mustang GT 1 @ 1 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cali 805 Posts: 4,824 iTrader: 1 reviews	If you can get good prices, do a PI swap motor, unless you can get a whole PI motor for cheap... __________________ Check Out My Build Thread!

April 11th, 2011, 10:27 PM	#6
MikeHP350 Regular 1998 Mustang GT Conv. ? Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 166 iTrader: 0 reviews	Does it still have the stock ECU and wiring harness? __________________ CAI, 75mm TB/Upper intake Plenum, Shorty Headers, Catted H-pipe, Flowmaster 40's, STEEDA U/D Pulleys, Sniper SF 93 Oct. Tune. MSD Coils/8mm Wires, NGK Iridium plugs, Full PI swap H/C/I, STEEDA adj. clutch cable/quadrant, RAM HDX Clutch.

April 11th, 2011, 06:50 PM	#3
gvanlaar Newbie 1997 Mustang GT Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Madera, CA Posts: 5 iTrader: 0 reviews	Ya the 03/04 motor would be great but I dont see that happening for any kind of cheap. I'm trying to do it as cheap as possible while still being able to run good.

April 11th, 2011, 10:49 PM	#7
gvanlaar Newbie 1997 Mustang GT Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Madera, CA Posts: 5 iTrader: 0 reviews	The wiring harness is stock and the ECU already has a chip in it for a PI swapped 2v. The car came with long tubes for a 2v as well. To switch to a 4v would be a little more money. I'm just wondering if the increase in power will be worth it.

April 11th, 2011, 11:13 PM	#8
1996 GT Traction...? 1996 GT/ 2008 GT Vert Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,207 iTrader: 0 reviews	mark VII swap?

April 11th, 2011, 11:37 PM	#9
wheelsjz Regular 1998 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Tracy, California Posts: 166 iTrader: 0 reviews	+1 ^^

April 12th, 2011, 10:37 AM	#11
V8POWA! POWA! 24/7 fukkers 1996 Mustang GT 1 @ 1 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cali 805 Posts: 4,824 iTrader: 1 reviews	How do you know? __________________ Check Out My Build Thread!

April 12th, 2011, 11:06 AM	#12
HurrycaneStang Captain Opinionated! 01' Cobra Vert When life throws you a curve, downshift and take it vigorously. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sandy Eggo, CA Posts: 2,930 iTrader: 0 reviews	A Mark VIII can be "kinda" pricey with all the lil ins and outs you have to buy but def. gives you more potential for hp/tq than a regular 4.6 2V PI or NPI. If nothing else do a 4.6 2V PI swap forge it and slap a FI on it...A 5.4L swap with a blower like Sharky's can be pricey as well, while 5.4 are cheap and readily available certain parts to make it fit with your stock hood i.e. intake manifold can run you close to 500. IMO Sharky got lucky with finding his parts and he has a good bit of mechanical know-how(not saying you dont)...

April 12th, 2011, 12:48 PM	#13
sharkbait Hooo Ha Ha 1997 Mustang GT 11.65 @ 115 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pasadena MD Posts: 9,743 iTrader: 10 reviews	Well if you go 5.4. You can get a motor for about 1000 or so with low mileage. The kicker though is the HPS intake...which costs around 800....and your not finding a used one lol. Seeing as mine was sold before it went up for sale. Everything else though is fairly straight forward. __________________ 410rwhp 520rwtq @ 12.9 psi

April 12th, 2011, 01:02 PM	#14
HurrycaneStang Captain Opinionated! 01' Cobra Vert When life throws you a curve, downshift and take it vigorously. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sandy Eggo, CA Posts: 2,930 iTrader: 0 reviews	Damn 800? I was close...

April 12th, 2011, 01:03 PM	#15
HurrycaneStang Captain Opinionated! 01' Cobra Vert When life throws you a curve, downshift and take it vigorously. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Sandy Eggo, CA Posts: 2,930 iTrader: 0 reviews	If I could go back and do it over again I would have skipped the Mark VIII build I have goin on and just forged my 2V and gone FI...Still could go that route but I have the engine already and so many new parts, it would be a bitch to sell...

April 12th, 2011, 02:52 PM	#17
gvanlaar Newbie 1997 Mustang GT Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Madera, CA Posts: 5 iTrader: 0 reviews	I can get a 96-98 Cobra motor for $700 from a local shop. I don't know what kind of shape it's in yet though. Or I can get a NPI 4.6 from a junkyard for $150 and then have to rebuild and piece together the PI swap.

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