[Fast98stang]

how high lifts are the cams ?

[HMUSN]

no. a soch motor on a mustang only has one cam per head.
a dohc had 2 cames per head.

mustangs are lucky enough to have to head gaskets to blow instead of just one

[Fast98stang]

i though that my car only had one cam but wtf do i know i am a chevy kid i am only 17 and i only got my mustang becuase i don't have the mony 2 buy a 1998 and up camaro and corvette but my mustnag is a cool 1st car

[Fast98stang]

this is some good information

[Fast98stang]

do you have the torqu specs

[atrains-gt]

I'm going to try to do my cam install next weekend but I got the cams with the pressed on gears so it won't be as quick of install because I can't use the cam tool.

[gtdan]

yeah i think you can, the only thing you can't do is degree them unless you use a timing gun!

[MustangMatt96GT]

no you can use the cam tool, its the exact same as a normal bolt on cam, except you cant degree them. And well degreeing a stock cam IMO is not worth it. And no you dont use a timing light to degree a cam. It takes special degreeing wheels and everything!

[atrains-gt]

Yeah I wasn't going to degree them. I was told I could only use the cam tool for the cams that have removable gears??

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT no you can use the cam tool, its the exact same as a normal bolt on cam, except you cant degree them. And well degreeing a stock cam IMO is not worth it. And no you dont use a timing light to degree a cam. It takes special degreeing wheels and everything!

Matt, 10-20 BHP is not worth it ? Remember I did one of these (only one ), degreeing the stockers is well worth it. I also do not install them on the same intake centerline that most do, I found adding a couple of degrees with the NPI heads is a big bonus. Not only do they seem to make more power with a stout curve the engine operates smoother and is balanced better between banks.


Of course this is only my .02's

[MustangMatt96GT]

well i didnt know that degreeing a stock PI cam in a NPI head could gain 10 to 20 HP, i thought most would be like 7.

[Boomer]

you may only see 7 peak to the tires, it is free power. Why not take advantage of it ? The overall curve sees a drastic change as well, we often overlook power below peak.

[MustangMatt96GT]

but who knows how to degree a cam, let alone has ever heard of it. Especally since a broad majority of owners of the NPI cars are under 25

[Casper98GT]

no. a soch motor on a mustang only has one cam per head. a dohc had 2 cames per head. mustangs are lucky enough to have to head gaskets to blow instead of just one

Im not really exactly what this means, but maybe someone could explain it for me.

Also i use BOLT ON CAMS. NOT PRESS ON. You cant use press on 99-01 1/2 cams the way i did the swap.

Someone said you can use the cam tools i used for press on cams and youre wrong. you cant do it that way.

This isnt a huge kick in the ass power improvement, alot of people get confused about that. Its approx. with intake and cams around 20ish rwhp.

but who knows how to degree a cam, let alone has ever heard of it. Especally since a broad majority of owners of the NPI cars are under 25

Thats not exactly true. yeah alot of younger kids do own these things, but most who do dont have alot of money and thus they dont worry about degree'ing cams true. BUT...how many 25 and under do you know who own 5.0's and stroke them, degree cams, install heads, intake and s/c's. TONS. And most all of my buddys do it themselves or have me help them.

Alot of people know how to degree cams. Its simple but time consuming. The kit is NOT expensive actually quite cheap. The reason i made all these writeups is because i do work on cars all day long and i do build them to have fun.....not everyone is like me. So most kids you know that have these cars, have CAI and exhaust maybe pulleys and a body kit with some "cool" rims. And most reason people think these cars are slow or dogs is because no one wants to spend time on them and put money into them. 5.0's came with the same power but then stroked and heads, cam and intake could have decent power. No one wants to do this with a 4.6 because parts are expensive and no one wants to work on them.

[gtdan]

so we can't use the timing chain tool on press on cams??????????????

[MustangMatt96GT]

Originally Posted by gtdan so we can't use the timing chain tool on press on cams??????????????

I dont see how you wont beable to.

[Casper98GT]

Have you ever done this swap using the cam tool....or at all ?

You still need to be very careful when using it with bolt ons and you can just slide it away. There is still alot of tension when using it and things can go wrong.

If you try to use it on a press on cam, you will need to be VERY careful when using it. You will need to be 100% perfect with youre markings on the cam to the chain. Because the entire cam gear will have to come off from the chain, when using a bolt on the gear and chain stay together. If youre one tooth off when putting them back on youre timing will be off and you will have to remove youre entire front cover and re-do timing.

[MustangMatt96GT]

yea, but its still possible. I have never done the swap, but I plan on helping GTdan put in his. Also, I have read neumerous writeups on the mod motors now, and I think I have a pretty good understanding. And I never thought of keeping the gear in the chains, I just figured it was done by marking the chains. I will be doing this swap soon, and I know its possible. I will also be doing my whole top end here hopefully in the next month or so.

[Casper98GT]

Is it possible, yes. But there are TOO many reasons to not buy the windsor cams. They are useless. you can pick up romeo bolt on cams cheap and they are availble everywhere. They are complete shit in my opinion. I wouldnt recommend them to anyone looking to get into PI cams and they plan on doing it themselves. You will need to make damn sure the tool is set between the guides very good, also you will need to make sure you mark both the chain and the cam gear. Then youre gonna need to make sure you put both PI and NPI cam side by side and mark them exactly the same. Then install them and hope for the best. And if you do youre entire top end youre front cover will be comming off anyways so you dont need to worry about these tools. And if youre doing a complete top end i would hope youre not sticking to factory crap and going with a decent set of heads, cams and intake.

[MustangMatt96GT]

Boomer is porting my heads, im going with custom ground cams, stock PI intake, Hooker Longtube headers, and possibly a UPK K member.

And well I see no problem in putting in Windsor cams, it will just take a little extra time to get correct. and well I dont know if Dan was planning on taking the whole cover off or not, but ethier way we will get them to work.

And i know that i have to take off the timing components and everything! And I will be degreeing my cams while im in there.