So Many Options......

98SilverBullet · May 13th, 2007, 09:05 PM

Well just wanted some input on the topic of super chargers for the NPI cars. I have been looking around at them. From the vortec to KB. Just wanted some feedback on the kits.

Any suggestiongs on brand? I would like to push around 10+/-psi, and have around 400hp. This power with PI intake and cams.

Thanks :lala

ujslost · May 13th, 2007, 11:44 PM

im gonna do a procharger, with PI cams on NPI heads and PI intake.

ujslost · May 13th, 2007, 11:47 PM

im gonna do a procharger, with PI cams on NPI heads and PI intake.

MustangMatt96GT · May 13th, 2007, 11:47 PM

I want to do a Vortec T-Trim so I have room for improvement, but I like the prochargers self containing oil!

ujslost · May 14th, 2007, 08:10 AM

the self contained oiling system, is 1 thing that sold me on procharger. I dont want to drill and tap my oil pan. But thats not the only reason.

bigmike83 · May 14th, 2007, 09:38 AM

i would get pi heads so that they flow better. even with pi cams and intake your not going to flow as good as pi heads. you can get them used all day long for like 300 with cams. you'll have big gains and then you can supercharge it. trust me its worth it my 97 put 195rwhp down. pi is the best way to go

Boomer · May 14th, 2007, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by bigmike83

i would get pi heads so that they flow better. even with pi cams and intake your not going to flow as good as pi heads.

Again, the heads do not flow better, they have a better comustion chamber design. Installing them (P.I. heads) will make will increase the compression ratio making it hard to make usable power with pump gas under boost without pulling timing. Unless you plan on rebuilding the lower end of the engine and running a larger dished piston and decent rods the P.I heads are not a great investment.

G.T. Rags · May 14th, 2007, 11:50 AM

i believe that bigmike has an 04 motor swap, not just a PI swap, so he doesn't run into the compression issue your talking about. But curiously, bigmike, you said you put down 195 on your 97. Was this when it was all stock. I've heard averages of 185 for our cars. Im not trying to argue, because every car is different, every run is different, ie you could have gotten your car brand new and dynoed it right away, or the cars that were used in this averaged comparison where high mileage and beaten to hell.

jersey98gt · May 14th, 2007, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by bigmike83

i would get pi heads so that they flow better. even with pi cams and intake your not going to flow as good as pi heads. you can get them used all day long for like 300 with cams. you'll have big gains and then you can supercharge it. trust me its worth it my 97 put 195rwhp down. pi is the best way to go

what do you run with set-up just curious

98SilverBullet · May 14th, 2007, 05:12 PM

I decided not to do the entire head swap for the increase in compression. Thus only inake and cams. I really like the roots type superchargers anyone deal with them?

k2boarder3187 · May 14th, 2007, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by ujslost

im gonna do a procharger, with PI cams on NPI heads and PI intake.

+1 million thats exactly what i plan to do next

tlr96 · May 14th, 2007, 06:38 PM

i would get your NPI heads p&p, and then go with pi cams/intake unless your going to get the kb cause that will take care of the intake! i am also going to do this to my car very soon!

bigmike83 · May 14th, 2007, 11:09 PM

i only have an 1/8th mile track here in clarksville and the car goes 8.71 with a 2.21 60ft on street tires. and yes i have the complete pi swap. once you go pi you'll never mess with npi. trust my i've had 2 npi cars and this is the best. haven't run the car since i put the upper and lower control arms on yet. ass for the flow deal, it is the combustion chamber, but either way its better. my none pi car put down 195. that sucks. with minor bolt ons.

bigmike83 · May 14th, 2007, 11:12 PM

my bolt ons before were off road xpipe and mac cold air. nothing major but still it only had 54000 miles too. and my new numbers are on the same dyno with the same tuner

May 13th, 2007, 09:05 PM	#1
98SilverBullet Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 88 iTrader: 0 reviews	So Many Options...... Well just wanted some input on the topic of super chargers for the NPI cars. I have been looking around at them. From the vortec to KB. Just wanted some feedback on the kits. Any suggestiongs on brand? I would like to push around 10+/-psi, and have around 400hp. This power with PI intake and cams. Thanks :lala __________________ '98 Mustang GT CAI, X-Pipe, Pypes Catback, Tri-Ax '96 Eclipse Gs-T Drop In K/N, T-2Gay @ 15psi, BSEK

May 13th, 2007, 11:44 PM	#2
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,920 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	im gonna do a procharger, with PI cams on NPI heads and PI intake. __________________ 1986 Mustang GT t-top time piece!

May 13th, 2007, 11:47 PM	#3
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,920 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	im gonna do a procharger, with PI cams on NPI heads and PI intake. __________________ 1986 Mustang GT t-top time piece!

May 13th, 2007, 11:47 PM	#4
MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,689 iTrader: 3 reviews	I want to do a Vortec T-Trim so I have room for improvement, but I like the prochargers self containing oil! __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions 25.3 SFI Chassis Build Never Lift Racecars

May 14th, 2007, 08:10 AM	#5
ujslost MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Albertville, AL Posts: 3,920 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	the self contained oiling system, is 1 thing that sold me on procharger. I dont want to drill and tap my oil pan. But thats not the only reason. __________________ 1986 Mustang GT t-top time piece!

May 14th, 2007, 09:38 AM	#6
bigmike83 Regular 1997 mustang gt 8.06 at 87mph 1/8th mile on a 50 shot Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: clarksville TN Posts: 284 iTrader: 0 reviews	i would get pi heads so that they flow better. even with pi cams and intake your not going to flow as good as pi heads. you can get them used all day long for like 300 with cams. you'll have big gains and then you can supercharge it. trust me its worth it my 97 put 195rwhp down. pi is the best way to go __________________ 97 gt with 2004 pi motor,acufab intake and 75 mm bbk cold air kit,bbk long tube headers, off road h pipe,2 chamber flow, 3:73, diablo chip with dyno tune 269rwhp 301rwtq 5.4 SOHC FOR SALE pm me for details

May 14th, 2007, 11:50 AM	#8
G.T. Rags The Hammer Millenium Falcon "Lived the Dream, Created the Reality, Basking in my Awesomeness" Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Zip's Bubble Posts: 13,028 iTrader: 1 reviews	i believe that bigmike has an 04 motor swap, not just a PI swap, so he doesn't run into the compression issue your talking about. But curiously, bigmike, you said you put down 195 on your 97. Was this when it was all stock. I've heard averages of 185 for our cars. Im not trying to argue, because every car is different, every run is different, ie you could have gotten your car brand new and dynoed it right away, or the cars that were used in this averaged comparison where high mileage and beaten to hell.

May 14th, 2007, 05:12 PM	#10
98SilverBullet Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 88 iTrader: 0 reviews	I decided not to do the entire head swap for the increase in compression. Thus only inake and cams. I really like the roots type superchargers anyone deal with them? __________________ '98 Mustang GT CAI, X-Pipe, Pypes Catback, Tri-Ax '96 Eclipse Gs-T Drop In K/N, T-2Gay @ 15psi, BSEK

May 14th, 2007, 06:38 PM	#12
tlr96 Hardcore Enthusiast 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 1,795 iTrader: 0 reviews	i would get your NPI heads p&p, and then go with pi cams/intake unless your going to get the kb cause that will take care of the intake! i am also going to do this to my car very soon! __________________ view my garage for pics and modifications listen to my exhaust video 1 video 2 video 3

May 14th, 2007, 11:09 PM	#13
bigmike83 Regular 1997 mustang gt 8.06 at 87mph 1/8th mile on a 50 shot Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: clarksville TN Posts: 284 iTrader: 0 reviews	i only have an 1/8th mile track here in clarksville and the car goes 8.71 with a 2.21 60ft on street tires. and yes i have the complete pi swap. once you go pi you'll never mess with npi. trust my i've had 2 npi cars and this is the best. haven't run the car since i put the upper and lower control arms on yet. ass for the flow deal, it is the combustion chamber, but either way its better. my none pi car put down 195. that sucks. with minor bolt ons. __________________ 97 gt with 2004 pi motor,acufab intake and 75 mm bbk cold air kit,bbk long tube headers, off road h pipe,2 chamber flow, 3:73, diablo chip with dyno tune 269rwhp 301rwtq 5.4 SOHC FOR SALE pm me for details

May 14th, 2007, 11:12 PM	#14
bigmike83 Regular 1997 mustang gt 8.06 at 87mph 1/8th mile on a 50 shot Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: clarksville TN Posts: 284 iTrader: 0 reviews	my bolt ons before were off road xpipe and mac cold air. nothing major but still it only had 54000 miles too. and my new numbers are on the same dyno with the same tuner __________________ 97 gt with 2004 pi motor,acufab intake and 75 mm bbk cold air kit,bbk long tube headers, off road h pipe,2 chamber flow, 3:73, diablo chip with dyno tune 269rwhp 301rwtq 5.4 SOHC FOR SALE pm me for details

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